Insanity!

[Floh]

I do believe he has been arrested, but he has not been charged. Lacy's press conference statement opens by saying he has been arrested.

>>Statement from Mary Lacy

Good morning.

As you are now aware, John Mark Karr, 41 years old, was arrested for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey yesterday morning at approximately 6:00 am in Bangkok, Thailand. Mr. Karr was living in Bangkok<<

I stand corrected.

 

[Wudge]

Well lets hope so, she had nothing on him till he was found in Thailand and arrested,

as he anonymously emailed Tracey, so all she had was his emails, she certainly was not checking out his alibi,

now she is starting to check him out, but until a week ago she never even knew what his name was,

If Karr put key crime scene elements in his emails that the D.A. can prove had never been released by LE ... AND ... are no where to be found in the public domain (such as crime forum databases), then those emails can be used to corroborate his confession.

 

[Floh]

Does anyone else besides me, find it strange that we haven't heard from his brother again??? I mean especially after he was on Greta saying he was going to prove his innocense and be on Greta the next night, yet, not one more word from him. I find that strange.

Yes, i find it strange. perhaps he was mistaken?

 

[librazone]

I agree. I mean she has not given any pics yet or anything to prove it.

Its still damn strong testimony if you have two or more people stating that he was with them at the time of the murder.Besides if I were to choose which is the truth...the confession of a man who is definitely mentally unstable ...or the word of his ex-wife who has little to gain whether he is dead or alive...then I would believe the wife.

 

[Jayelles]

I listed to Mary Lacey's "Academy Awards" speech this morning and was struck with the thought that her naming all the people involved in this arrest was kind of premature. She spent more time naming people than she did in stating the facts of the arrest. It's polite to share the credit for a job well done - after it is done and dusted.

Then I wondered if this was her way of preparing for sharing the blame if it all goes awry - i.e. "It wasn't just me - all these others were involved too..."

 

[englishleigh]

I listed to Mary Lacey's "Academy Awards" speech this morning and was struck with the thought that her naming all the people involved in this arrest was kind of premature. She spent more time naming people than she did in stating the facts of the arrest. It's polite to share the credit for a job well done - after it is done and dusted.

Then I wondered if this was her way of preparing for sharing the blame if it all goes awry - i.e. "It wasn't just me - all these others were involved too..."

My husband said the same thing...he said, "well, we now know who all to blame if this doesn't pan out..."

 

[Jayelles]

I don't know how it works in the US, but I think an alibi's word is pretty strong stuff here. I don't think it's the alibi's job to prove she's telling the truth - I think it's the opposition's job to prove she is lying.

I understand she has a lawyer and he's advised her to remain silent now.

 

[MrsMush99]

Yes, i find it strange. perhaps he was mistaken?

Floh, I think it is highly possibly that he is mistaken. He didn't even know he was divorced, or that he was out of the country. Maybe now he relized he was not with him, and decided to keep his mouth shut. As for the ex-wife, like everyone else I'm waiting on her to see if she does in fact have proof. I'm not calling it an alibi just yet. I'm waiting to see if she can prove it, and right now I have my doubts that she can.

 

[joe jones]

If Karr put key crime scene elements in his emails that the D.A. can prove had never been released by LE ... AND ... are no where to be found in the public domain (such as crime forum databases), then those emails can be used to corroborate his confession.

what confession, all he has said it I was there, it was an accident, when asked specifics he said no comment,

so he has said nothing that could be corroborated but that he was there, and they have to prove that,

and there are no secrets about her body, the coroner has said he put in every scratch, scrape, abrasion etc in his autopsy, he left nothing out, and the autopsy is online for all to read,

the police reports and crime scene photos have been leaked and sold, so whatever he says he could have got from the net, or from Tracey,

the case will be proved/disproved by the police having documented evidence he was in Boulder, forensics tying him to the scene, he is a loose cannon and relying on him would be a mistake,

who knows what he will say next or what will emerge, I mean today we find out he may have been looking at a sex change, tomorrow we may find out something even odder

 

[Buzz Mills]

If Karr put key crime scene elements in his emails that the D.A. can prove had never been released by LE ... AND ... are no where to be found in the public domain (such as crime forum databases), then those emails can be used to corroborate his confession.

We would think the emails would be more than Karr just demonstrating that he knew a lot about the case. There are a lot of people on these forums that know a lot about the case. For an arrest, and extradition, Karr had to have divulged enough, not released distinctions about the crime scene, that took it beyond normal suspicion (at least we would think so).

 

[JBean]

Its still damn strong testimony if you have two or more people stating that he was with them at the time of the murder.Besides if I were to choose which is the truth...the confession of a man who is definitely mentally unstable ...or the word of his ex-wife who has little to gain whether he is dead or alive...then I would believe the wife.

I don't think it is about believing her. i think she was truthful when she spoke, but it is just possible she is mistaken. It is important to note that she originally said she was positive, then she said she thought so and now she is saying nothing.
It's early, she is lawyered up and we may hear something more concrete from her shortly,but as of this writing, she has not confirmed his whereabouts.

 

[Peter Hamilton]

lol--so Fox said they found one expert who said Karr's writing is a match to the ransom note? SuperDave has a list of TEN handwriting experts who have declared Patsy Ramsey is the author of the ransom note--see posts # 102, #129, and # 133 on the SBTC/Ransom note thread,some of the ransom individual letter similarities to Patsy is striking

 

[michelle]

:laugh:

I listed to Mary Lacey's "Academy Awards" speech this morning

I kept thinking to myself, "who else is she going to Thank, and who cares about that right now". I wanted to hear WHY they thought he was the perp, I wanted some evidence.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Fox reported that a newspaper had hired a handwriting expert, and they said that Karr's handwriting matches the ransom note.

Who is this expert? What are his credentials? How many handwriting samples did he compare? I don't believe one can just look at that yearbook signing and the ransom note and declare the handwriting is a match. Experts need to examine many different samples and match up many points of similarity.

 

[Wudge]

We would think the emails would be more than Karr just demonstrating that he knew a lot about the case. There are a lot of people on these forums that know a lot about the case. For an arrest, and extradition, Karr had to have divulged enough, not released distinctions about the crime scene, that took it beyond normal suspicion (at least we would think so).

Buzz, if this does go to trial, I would not at all be surprised if certain websites, which have long had forum discussions covering this case, were asked/required to turn over copies of their database to either the D.A.s office or Karr's defense team or both.

 

[Wudge]

Who is this expert? What are his credentials? How many handwriting samples did he compare?

SNIP

I cannot tell you what the truth may be. I tell you the tale as twas told to me.

(chuckle....always loved that one)

 

[Buzz Mills]

Buzz, if this does go to trial, I would not at all be surprised if certain websites, which have long had forum discussions covering this case, were asked/required to turn over copies of their database to either the D.A.s office or Karr's defense team or both.

Most assuredly Wudge, plus the experts will do a full sweep of the internet to see if there is any mention anywhere of the unique convicting distinctions of the crime scene, alleged to not be publicly known. People get paid to do what we do for crimetainment every day on these forums, look for information. We could apply for those positions.

 

[Wudge]

Most assuredly Wudge, plus the experts will do a full sweep of the internet to see if there is any mention anywhere of the unique convicting distinctions of the crime scene, alleged to not be publicly known. People get paid to do what we do for crimetainment every day on these forums, look for information. We could apply for those positions.

I've seen your work; consider the job yours. (salute)

 

[guppy]

I don't know how it works in the US, but I think an alibi's word is pretty strong stuff here. I don't think it's the alibi's job to prove she's telling the truth - I think it's the opposition's job to prove she is lying.

I understand she has a lawyer and he's advised her to remain silent now.

In the U.S., people are routinely convicted even though they have alibi witnesses. Sometimes the witnesses are lying, sometimes it is just another hurdle for the prosecutors to overcome.

I have a book about 50 unsolved cases in the Chicago area. One of the cases involved a guy who had 9 people swear on the stand he was with them playing golf - in another state - when a little girl was raped. Her eyewitness ID was believed by the jury in spite of the alibi testimony. The prosecutor just said they all lied because they were his friends.

 

[Peter Hamilton]

A longtime forensic pathologist was just on MSNBC,who said he has never seen a three page ransom note--He says it makes no sense,the longer the note,the more likely the perp will reveal something about his/her self,and that's the last thing a true perp wants to do