Interview with Maya D at Lowell...

BBM

Okay I'm getting p.o.'d. How come when I post the same stuff nobody is taking notice?

I'm trying very hard to understand the facts here and people are posting carelessly and minimizing the facts after I have posted facts. I would hope a Mod (BJB) would thank me for posting facts but no thanks are offered.

Please note that Maya was arrested on January 28, 2007, for armed carjacking. She confessed to murder on October 15, 2007. That is nine months after she was arrested and was charged with first degree murder along with two others. Her sentence was reduced because she testified against the other two. I've provided a link in a previous post.

FYI - The "she couldn't keep her secret anymore" should be chalked up to Journalistic Reporting. They had another inmate in custody and I'm sure, they were played against one another or at least it should be considered that they could have been.

I appreciate your posts woe and the facts that you have linked. I also wanted to point out that Maya was found for this crime due to a tip to LE. She did not just come forward to confess due to a guilty conscience! I linked her story of what she did to Jackie "Angel" Curtis. She doesnt seem to have trouble pronouncing "phone" in that interview which is very similar in my opinion to chloroform.
 
Sorry for posting carelessly. :blushing: I jumped in this thread early (pgs. 1-2?) and recently picked it back up. I didn't read back as far as I should have.

IMO, your points are very valid. I totally understand your argument.

Thank you beach2yall. Nobody likes to feel invisible. I was beginning to feel a gang like mentality creeping in :waitasec:.

I'm going to post what the latest doc dump states about what Maya told LE as there seems to be a descrepancy as to if she ever used the word chloroform while talking to LE. I think she said "some knock out drug" or something like that but I'll try to find it in the Supplemental Report - I know something is written there.
 
Thank you beach2yall. Nobody likes to feel invisible. I was beginning to feel a gang like mentality creeping in :waitasec:.

I'm going to post what the latest doc dump states about what Maya told LE as there seems to be a descrepancy as to if she ever used the word chloroform while talking to LE. I think she said "some knock out drug" or something like that but I'll try to find it in the Supplemental Report - I know something is written there.

Kathi Belich asked her directly if she had told LE about Chloroform and she replies 'Probably not, because, like I said, I can barely pronounce the name, I know it's drugs'
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She goes on to say that 'she would pour it on like a rag, a washrag, and put it over the baby's face so she would inhale it and that would knock her out'.
 
I appreciate your posts woe and the facts that you have linked. I also wanted to point out that Maya was found for this crime due to a tip to LE. She did not just come forward to confess due to a guilty conscience! I linked her story of what she did to Jackie "Angel" Curtis. She doesnt seem to have trouble pronouncing "phone" in that interview which is very similar in my opinion to chloroform.

Thank you. When I read the timeline/story it sounds as if 'the writing was on the wall' so-to-speak for her so she fessed up. It's not 100 percent clear to me if MD decided one day to spill the beans or not. It's DOUBTFUL because I see that all three were charged with first-degree murder on October 15, 2007, for taking the life of Jackie. After that day we hear Maya's confession. Ultimately Maya received the lesser sentence of second-degree murder. Common sense tells me that something that she told LE on or after October 15, 2007, affected her sentence positively for herself. She could have faced the DP too. I'm curious about the sentence the two men got in January 2009. Maybe I'll try to find the information later. I'd hate to be around when one of them gets out when Maya is released. That won't be a pretty picture imo.
 
Kathi Belich asked her directly if she had told LE about Chloroform and she replies 'Probably not, because, like I said, I can barely pronounce the name, I know it's drugs'
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She goes on to say that 'she would pour it on like a rag, a washrag, and put it over the baby's face so she would inhale it and that would knock her out'.

IIRC Maya waffled a little on that one - first she said 'yes' and then she backed off and said something like she wasn't sure because she can't pronounce it. Well LE is sure as I'm sure they wrote it down. But any waffling as far as I'm concerned makes what she says less credible. When you're sure, you're sure imo. She's making too big of a deal about not being able to pronounce it - if she said it wrong they'd know what she was trying to say imo. :waitasec:
 
Thank you beach2yall. Nobody likes to feel invisible. I was beginning to feel a gang like mentality creeping in :waitasec:.

I'm going to post what the latest doc dump states about what Maya told LE as there seems to be a descrepancy as to if she ever used the word chloroform while talking to LE. I think she said "some knock out drug" or something like that but I'll try to find it in the Supplemental Report - I know something is written there.

Yes, it is in the OCSO summary (Melich's). I re-read it today.

fwiw, I listened to hours & hours of RA tapes and learned a bit about the whole RA/Maya dynamic. (As did Astraea, because I know she was summarizing the calls, too). I KNOW RA is a manipulative liar that had more than one agenda - heck, she beat KC at her own game. RA, KC & Maya are all tangled together, that much is clear in the phone calls. I said in my first post that I didn't expect to find her credible, however I thought she came across as pretty sincere in the interview. I'm still on the fence.

Basically, we are trying to get to the bottom of what motivated her to confess/talk (snitch) - noble born-again moment or self-serving? I don't know yet.
 
Yes, it is in the OCSO summary (Melich's). I re-read it today.

fwiw, I listened to hours & hours of RA tapes and learned a bit about the whole RA/Maya dynamic. (As did Astraea, because I know she was summarizing the calls, too). I KNOW RA is a manipulative liar that had more than one agenda - heck, she beat KC at her own game. RA, KC & Maya are all tangled together, that much is clear in the phone calls. I said in my first post that I didn't expect to find her credible, however I thought she came across as pretty sincere in the interview. I'm still on the fence.

Basically, we are trying to get to the bottom of what motivated her to confess/talk (snitch) - noble born-again moment or self-serving? I don't know yet.

And all of Maya's observations about KC are true - vacant eyes, happy demeanor, unaffected - but it is the 'confession' about the chloroform that seems less than believable so what good is it? We all want to know the truth not just a collaboration of a known theory.

If someone had told me something, I could look you directly in the eye and say "I'm telling you that Casey told me that she put cholorofoam, or how ever you pronounce it, on a rag to knock Caylee out so that she could leave the house and go party. I swear on a Bible that Casey told me she did that, she told me that directly." The whole time, I'd look you right in the eye.
 
IIRC Maya waffled a little on that one - first she said 'yes' and then she backed off and said something like she wasn't sure because she can't pronounce it. Well LE is sure as I'm sure they wrote it down. But any waffling as far as I'm concerned makes what she says less credible. When you're sure, you're sure imo. She's making too big of a deal about not being able to pronounce it - if she said it wrong they'd know what she was trying to say imo. :waitasec:

Do we know how this story came to Kathi Belich's attention? Did she call her? If that has been stated, I haven't seen it..
 
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I thought this thread was about our impressions of the interview Kathy did with Maya at Lowell? Our first gut feelings? Or interpretations if you don't like the words gut feelings.

Obviously it's time to do an indepth search rather than a cursory one, however based on our own belief system about people, our sense of optimism about rehabilitation and basic goodness, I think no matter what we find to justify our own beliefs, some will always believe it's a negative. Me? I can be quite the pollyanna until proven absolutely that I'm wrong.
 
Anyone take into consideration that Maya ran away at 13, probably did not finish school so may not know what chloroform is. My 19 year old grandson does not know what it is. Of the two KC and Maya, Maya is the one who has told the truth so why would KC who lies (like a rug) be more credible than Maya.

Unless Maya took a polygraph I don't see her testimony coming in. But we shall see. JMO
 
Anyone take into consideration that Maya ran away at 13, probably did not finish school so may not know what chloroform is. My 19 year old grandson does not know what it is. Of the two KC and Maya, Maya is the one who has told the truth so why would KC who lies (like a rug) be more credible than Maya.

Unless Maya took a polygraph I don't see her testimony coming in. But we shall see. JMO

Do we know if either RA or MD have taken polygraphs in connection with their statements about KC? I so wish Kathi Belich had asked her..
 
Apparently Maya fell into prostitution while a teen. Her neck tattoo represents her Pimp "Daddy P". Her gang name "Luda" means crazy in Bosnian.

I'm not trying to further punish Maya or thwart her growth in any way. But, if you look at her track record, how she obtained a lesser sentence by testifying against her partners in murder, it all adds up to me that she'd be willing to 'go there' again to gain something for herself. I can't say/know that for sure but the odds are that a leopard doesn't change their spots that quickly when they are facing their whole youthful life locked up - it must be very motivating to try and find ways to break down the barriers to one's freedom.

I have a hard time understanding the eagerness of people to accept other criminal's stories at face value but in KC's case she's condemned no matter what. KC may very well be a Sociopath which explains why she is the way she is (not excuses) but these other characters are criminals as well and have ruined other peoples' lives. Why such blanket understanding? Rhetorical question but :waitasec: I don't understand.

Bring on the credible witnesses - PLEASE!
Think about this Woe.
Maya was in a country at war. She came to this country as a refugee at the age of 8. She was a run-away on the streets by the time she was 13. She fell into prostitution as you say as a teen. She wound up in a gang and on drugs and murdered someone else by the time she was 17. There is a history there that explains a lot. There is insecurity and obvious adjustment difficulties. It is hard to tell WHAT her life was like before she came here, and as a refugee? It could not have been that great after she got here. Strange country. New language. ALL new people around her. Complete unfamiliarity with the culture and everything else. Those things taken in total can kind of explain how this girl wound up doing what she did. She was living a life of crime since the TENDER young age of 13. That does not lead to good places. You almost expect a person like that to mess up big time, although murder is WAY beyond messing up I know.

As far as her "testifying" against her compadres in crime? Well, to tell her story she had to tell theirs too didn't she? And she was 17 and facing murder charges AND the death penalty. I don't know of one single person, myself included, who would NOT testify against someone else who was involved in the crime for which I was facing DEATH. I would sing so loud they would hear me in the next county. I know we would all like to think, no, I would never do that, but when you are faced with the possibilty of being put to death? I doubt there is one of us here who would not fold against THAT and agree to do whatever we had to do to save our own skins. So she did what anyone would do in that situation. She saved herself. BUT she still got sentenced to THIRTY YEARS...that is nothing to sneeze at. Granted, it is nothing compared to the life she took, but she will be an almost 50 year old woman once she gets out. She will never have children of her own. She will miss her own brothers and sisters growing up. Her mother/father could die and likely will while she is behind bars. She did save her own neck, but in the same circumstance, so would almost anyone.

And why did I believe her? Everything about her said I am calm, I am cool, I am collected. I am not stumbling over my words. I am maintaining eye contact with the interviewer. I am not looking shiftily from side to side. I am not fidgeting and squirming in my seat. I am a muderer and I am telling the truth. That is what I got.

KC? Well, I am not just now getting acquainted with her. I have waded through so much crap that that girl has put out there that it isn't even funny. Her lies tell lies. Her stories evolve from week to week. HER demeanor says something different than Mayas for certain. Her behavior while she was out on bond, wearing the very sunglasses she had written the bad check for? THAT says to me, I am NOT sorry. The lack of a valid explanation of where is your child? ALL the lies she has strung us all along with. In the beginning? I gave her the benefit of the doubt and thought it may have been an accident and she freaked out. Over the fullness of the time we have been invetigating this case? I have no more doubt for her. I KNOW she is a liar flat out. I KNOW she did not give her daughter to any nanny. I KNOW she is not sorry and I KNOW that she, unlike Maya, even faced with "buckets of evidence" will never confess her crime. I honestly think she would almost rather die than tell the truth of what she did.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried to listen to the Maya tapes?

Hornsby thought we would need an interpreter, however, either he didn't realize she spoke English so well, or the calls are to family and she IS speaking in her native language.
 
Do we know how this story came to Kathi Belich's attention? Did she call her? If that has been stated, I haven't seen it..

My guess and it's a guess only is that Kathi was tracking the core people in the Casey letters and followed up to first of all see where Maya was, wrote to ask to talk to her (I heard that in the interview) and then one thing led to another. That is first meeting with casual questions, out to do some checking up with her LE friends to check out the story,and back to do a taped interview.
 
Do we know how this story came to Kathi Belich's attention? Did she call her? If that has been stated, I haven't seen it..

Good question. How do reporters get interviews? I assumed that KB read the Discovery and thought 'maybe I'll see if I can get an interview with MD'. I doubt an inmate can request an interview with the Media. And under what conditions are they granted and why?

I know some big interviews have taken place - Manson and the guy who was later killed in prison (he had one victim in a small trunklike box in his closet) & his father/mother were interviewed too - on 20/20 and similar programs.

My guess is KB went after the interview to gain further info regarding MD's claims.
 
Do we know if either RA or MD have taken polygraphs in connection with their statements about KC? I so wish Kathi Belich had asked her..

Not that I am aware of....

I also wish Kathi would've asked that. (a poly in re. her testimony about KC etal.; i know she took one in her own case)
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried to listen to the Maya tapes?

Hornsby thought we would need an interpreter, however, either he didn't realize she spoke English so well, or the calls are to family and she IS speaking in her native language.

Beach! Is that a serious question? I know they are two hours long, but of course I have - twice!

PS: RH was OMG..wrong.
 

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