Interview with Maya D at Lowell...

[LambChop]

So, now we are left with what DID KC tell Maya on this subject? I have no doubt, by the message she left the detectives that she was told something about KC "knocking Caylee out" but what she accomplished that with is another story entirely. Bendryl is as likely a candidate for accomplishing that task as chloroform, actually moreso, but I guess we will have to wait for her transcript in the end to be certain exactly what she did say. Until then...:waitasec:

My daughter gave Bendryl to her son once when he was ill per order of the doctor. He was up all night wanting to party. It sometimes does not have the desired affects. jmo

 

[Astraea]

I'm all for critical thinking and analysis, but I believe in using it for facts rather than projection and speculation. We have no final documentation of the LE information, and until then I look at only what I am able to see.
Emotional reactions and intellectual reactions are both parts of a single final opinion. And this is an opinion thread IMO until we have more information then we can turn it into a fact thread.

Unlike Magic-Cat, :blowkiss:, I have no issue with being wrong with my opinion, as that is only what it is. And I feel free to have a number of incremental opinions on the way to a decision based on facts.

So, are you under the impression that LE is lying instead of Maya? As the report is filed by LE with their opinion and parts from the sworn transcript included. I find it hard in this case to believe Maya and at this conjuncture if I were to belive her that would indicate that I disbelieved LE.

ETA: ITA agree with your last statement in regards to the forming of ones own opinion

 

[logicalgirl]

Just to clarify my own belief system in being a "Pollyanna" - which to me always means I look for the good in people, and a belief that rehabilitation is possible.

That doesn't mean I immediately trust, or assume everyone is trustworthy. I don't leave my doors unlocked, my personal information or money lying around, nor do I trust everyone with those people who are valuable to me.

I do understand that not everyone is able to live their best life - but I will remain forever hopeful this is possible - I'm in the cheering section - the one standing up yelling c'mon - you CAN do this! Self work is a constant for me and I applaud it in others. Maya may turn out to be saying some "mis-truths" and I will be disappointed, but my sense of hopefulness won't change.

But I was raised on the axiom of "Praise God and tie your horse".
(Actually it was Praise Allah and tie your camel, but in this political climate, I've learned to be more politically correct.)

 

[ZsaZsa]

Why did she call the Police in the first place if not to tell them what she knew about KC drugging Caylee? She didn't tell them much about her otherwise that they did not already know...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

No, she gives her reason for not having said the word chloroform due to an inability to pronounce it properly. She says she did tell them she used drugs and she put it on a rag and put it on the baby's face. What drug goes on rags to make people go to sleep? Chloroform.

Maya does NOT claim to the Detectives, in her sworn statement, that KC mentioned either using rags or chloroform - nada.

Maya was 15 days away from her 18th birthday when she committed murder. Her victim's life was taken on January 9, 2007 and Maya was born January 24, 1989.
By the time she was convicted she was 19 years old; that happened in February of 2008. I typed this out due to my confusion regarding Maya's age as I've read MD, 19. I was wondering how someone ages two years in one year - now I know how that can happen. :crazy:

 

[logicalgirl]

So, are you under the impression that LE is lying instead of Maya? As the report is filed by LE with their opinion and parts from the sworn transcript included. I find it hard in this case to believe Maya and at this conjuncture if I were to belive her that would indicate that I disbelieved LE.

ETA: ITA agree with your last statement in regards to the forming of ones own opinion

No of course no- I am saying I do not know if we have seen all the information from LE that we are going to get regarding Maya.

 

[nort]

Maybe she was looking for exposure for all the good she has done in jail. Its very easy to not be seen as anything other than a number in the prison system. When her parole rolls around perhaps after some conversation they will remember her and her participation in this "confession of Caseys". It would appear she wanted all of her good to be exposed and get noticed and it worked for her. IMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

This is very true and we all know LE would feel the same. Just because she told the truth once does not mean she will do it again. But if LE had to get a subpoena for those letters they are not going before a judge with "we trust her" they would need to prove she was telling the truth. Either they could verify something she stated or they poly'd her. We don't know that they did, we don't know that they didn't. But they have the letters and KB got her interview.

So unless someone can give me a link to a statement made that is contrary to what we have heard so far I tend to believe most of what she says is true. Funny thing is....I always had the impression that the media was leaning towards the chloroform coming from a shot. And Maya says "rag".

Also some of the latter pictures of Caylee, she appears to have a red rash around her mouth. Maybe someone remembers where they are so we can look at them again.

And what is more interesting is defense not asking if she has been polygraphed. They are just very, very quiet.

JMO

I'm having a flashback. When KB was interviewing MD, she asks her, did you mention chloroform in your sworn statement? That's when Maya begins to sputter stuff about pronunciation and other excuses.

KB begins to page her notes. At that point, I bet you KB realized she did not have a story. KB must have realized then that things weren't matching up - I'm sure she went in prepared and knew exactly what is written in the report.

 

[Astraea]

Why did she call the Police in the first place if not to tell them what she knew about KC drugging Caylee? She didn't tell them much about her otherwise that they did not already know...

In the report which is linked above, she doesnt start off telling them anything about Caylee. She actually states they NEVER spoke about Caylee. The report then goes on to state:



"When asked about if Casey Anthony ever mentioned about how she would take care of Caylee Anthony, Maya Derkovic said Casey Anthony admitted to "knocking [CqyleeJ out" often so she could go out. Maya Derkovic believes Casey did this at her residence but she's not sure. Maya Derkovic stated in part: A No, well what she said was that sometimes when she wanted to go went out and not let noborfy baby sit her or anything. Not leave her with her parents. That she'll go out after Cqylee went to sleep. That she'll sometimes knock her out and make her go to sleep until she got back. And when she gets back home she was asleep. 'Cause to her I gum it was, it's easier that wqy because her mom was alrearfy sqying that she was an unfit mom. And that she was alrearfy you know talking about taking Coylee from her. 50, to her just doing it that wqy secretivelY nobody reallY enows. 50, she ... that's the onlY time that she ever talked about how she handled her. But she never told me nothing else about it."

There are some obvious spelling errors here due to it being a cached version, but honestly I think one should read the entire report, as within it there are continual inconsistencies. AND the story changes COMPLETELY during this Belich interview. I doubt the LE are lying in this report that was submitted under oath.

ETA: Her reasons for calling detectives elude me at this time. My guess is that she thought she could help herself and RA. In the report she also says that "everybody related to" her(caseys) issues with Cindy. Seriously, she contradicts herself over and over again...its worth the read!

 

[ZsaZsa]

In the report which is linked above, she doesnt start off telling them anything about Caylee. She actually states they NEVER spoke about Caylee. The report then goes on to state:



"When asked about if Casey Anthony ever mentioned about how she would take care of Caylee Anthony, Maya Derkovic said Casey Anthony admitted to "knocking [CqyleeJ out" often so she could go out. Maya Derkovic believes Casey did this at her residence but she's not sure. Maya Derkovic stated in part: A No, well what she said was that sometimes when she wanted to go went out and not let noborfy baby sit her or anything. Not leave her with her parents. That she'll go out after Cqylee went to sleep. That she'll sometimes knock her out and make her go to sleep until she got back. And when she gets back home she was asleep. 'Cause to her I gum it was, it's easier that wqy because her mom was alrearfy sqying that she was an unfit mom. And that she was alrearfy you know talking about taking Coylee from her. 50, to her just doing it that wqy secretivelY nobody reallY enows. 50, she ... that's the onlY time that she ever talked about how she handled her. But she never told me nothing else about it."

There are some obvious spelling errors here due to it being a cached version, but honestly I think one should read the entire report, as within it there are continual inconsistencies. AND the story changes COMPLETELY during this Belich interview. I doubt the LE are lying in this report that was submitted under oath.

I don't think for one moment that LE was lying. She admits to KB during her interview that she did not mention the word Chloroform to LE because she could not pronounce it, although she did tell them KC used to knock out Caylee .
If you read Dr Lillian Glass' evaluation of her interview she finds no trace of deception when talking about this. It's not often she gives that kind of favorable assessment.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

:waitasec:

They just argued back and forth on Issues on HLN.

What does this mean per Beth (Carass or Karese, a Lawyer) Beth states that MD says she is not after a reduction of sentence and says,
"Jane, just a couple of weeks ago the Court of Appeals reduced a motion 'slight pause' on her own she went Pro Se and tried to get it reduced."

What does that mean? "A couple of weeks ago" would be after Maya was deposed by LE anyway. I don't get Beth's point nor do I understand it.
Do they think Lawyers are watching the show?

I'll be back - have to go now.

On somewhere around March 20 I am thinking? Don't quote me on that, sure enough, there was an appeal for a reduction of sentence. It was dismissed I do believe.

Thank you and I realize that but I don't get Beth's point. What is she saying? She uses the word reduced twice and never uses the word dismissed and seems to be defending Maya but I don't get the point of her defense. I want to get it, I just don't.

The PETITION WAS DISMISSED due to lack of representation (no Lawyer review) or something like that (way over my head).

I still don't get Beth's point as the Petition was entered long after Maya gave her sworn statement to LE. It could be argued that MD hoped to be granted grace for the information she had passed on to the Detectives.

 

[Astraea]

I don't think for one moment that LE was lying. She admits to KB during her interview that she did not mention the word Chloroform to LE because she could not pronounce it, although she did tell them KC used to knock out Caylee .
If you read Dr Lillian Glass' evaluation of her interview she finds no trace of deception when talking about this. It's not often she gives that kind of favorable assessment.

I dont read any of Lillian Glass' observations and/or opinions. If she were on the witness list I may take her opinions into consideration. Maya also states that she told them about a rag. IF she had, I am pretty sure that LE would have included that part. If anything the parts LE DID include in this sworn report indicate to me that they dont even believe Maya. I am not trying to be rude, and you dont have to answer obviously, but I have to ask, have you read the report in question?

 

[Astraea]

...oops...double post...sorry about that....

 

[LambChop]

I dont read any of Lillian Glass' observations and/or opinions. If she were on the witness list I may take her opinions into consideration. Maya also states that she told them about a rag. IF she had, I am pretty sure that LE would have included that part. If anything the parts LE DID include in this sworn report indicate to me that they dont even believe Maya. I am not trying to be rude, and you dont have to answer obviously, but I have to ask, have you read the report in question?

With all due respect LE does not always include everything in a statement. We have seen that here, with DC, TL and JG. May be they thought that statement was too prejudical to include in the report. So we just don't know. Now if LE came forward and stated that she did not mention it than we would know she was lying. But they have not done that.

If you really want some insight into Maya you really should read what Dr. Glass had to say. She is an expert in body language and jury members do pick up on body language. It is interesting. JMO

 

[LambChop]

...oops...double post...sorry about that....

Must be that darn Mercury in retrograde. LOL

 

[Anais]

With all due respect LE does not always include everything in a statement. We have seen that here, with DC, TL and JG. May be they thought that statement was too prejudical to include in the report. So we just don't know. Now if LE came forward and stated that she did not mention it than we would know she was lying. But they have not done that.

If you really want some insight into Maya you really should read what Dr. Glass had to say. She is an expert in body language and jury members do pick up on body language. It is interesting. JMO

I have not seen what Dr. Glass had to say, is that somewhere arouund here perhaps? TIA

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I find it interesting someone would call in a tip after she confessed and told them who else was involved. I would think someone with that kind of information would be following the case closely. The tip was that the people involved were arrested for a car jacking (Maya and another) and in custody so the police had a 50% percent chance of knowing who it was without a real name. IMO

Really? Where did you read that? (I know, I hate that question).
We know Maya confessed because it's on tape but not until October 15, 2007, nine months of being in jail for carjacking.

In case anybody wants to know, I found out the sentences of the two men.
One, AL, was sentenced to premeditated 1st Degree Murder and sentenced to life in prison on 1/22/09.

The other man, DT, was sentenced to Homicide Manslaughter and received 15 years with a release date of 10/11/22 (subject to time off for good behavior).

 

[ZsaZsa]

I dont read any of Lillian Glass' observations and/or opinions. If she were on the witness list I may take her opinions into consideration. Maya also states that she told them about a rag. IF she had, I am pretty sure that LE would have included that part. If anything the parts LE DID include in this sworn report indicate to me that they dont even believe Maya. I am not trying to be rude, and you dont have to answer obviously, but I have to ask, have you read the report in question?

Yes I read the reports. But they are not complete reports as yet,
If you would like to listen to Kathi Belich's interview she states, Now regarding your statement to Investigators, and I KNOW they didn't give us the whole thing, they just gave us parts of it - it begins at 5.53 and goes on until 6.29 when she asks Maya as to what she told investigators.

You have not read the complete report of what she told them, and I am confident they have excellent reasons for that.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I have not seen what Dr. Glass had to say, is that somewhere arouund here perhaps? TIA

She has a website, just google Dr Lillian Glass and it will come up. She is an excellent observer of the hidden messages we all give out unwittingly with our facial expressions and body language.

 

[Astraea]

With all due respect LE does not always include everything in a statement. We have seen that here, with DC, TL and JG. May be they thought that statement was too prejudical to include in the report. So we just don't know. Now if LE came forward and stated that she did not mention it than we would know she was lying. But they have not done that.

If you really want some insight into Maya you really should read what Dr. Glass had to say. She is an expert in body language and jury members do pick up on body language. It is interesting. JMO

In regards to Lillian Glass....I dont read her opinions, because I tend not to listen to the opinions of those who are dependant on viewer ratings, and there seem to be enough of those that have stepped into this case.

In regards to the report. It would be difficult for me to believe that LE conveniently left out the part that coincides with Maya telling about the rag. Not when they went out of their way to include parts from the actual sworn interview and subsequent transcript that contradict this part she added into her Belich interview. I am hoping the next document dump will include Mayas complete transcript, until then I am only going off the official portions from her interview that were included in the report.

ETA: A quick google search about Lillian Glass, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth about her "credentials" on any subject matter!