Is Terri's arrest imminent?

[MsFacetious]

Wow! Could we please have a link to where the FBI has him classified as kidnapped?

TIA

ETA: I just searched and this page on the FBI site is all I could find:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/horman_kr.htm

Nothing where he's classified as kidnapped. Could you please provide info on where you saw this?

I am guessing that she is referring to the FBI's own naming of the page for Kyron. I see no reason why it couldn't be "missing" or just leave that out completely.

fbi.gov/wanted/KIDNAP/horman_kr.htm

 

[Etilema]

I am not sure an arrest is imminent on charges concerning Kyron's disappearance.

But I do believe since Kaine was briefed by LE for three hours late last week that there could be charges on the MFH.

That's also what it says in this article:

http://www.aolnews.com/article/arrest-could-come-soon-in-kyron-horman-case/19570143

"I have a lot of experience providing evidence and appearing before grand juries, and I can tell you that a prosecutor won't take a case before them unless he is pretty confident he has a strong case," said Harold Copus, a former FBI agent who has worked on dozens of missing-person cases. . . .

"I suspect that what they have is not going to be an indictment on the young boy," Copus, now head of Copus Security Consultants in Atlanta, told AOL News. "Unless the police have developed some evidence that shows where the body is, what you have is a missing child, and there is no law that allows you to indict someone because someone is missing, unless you have evidence of foul play. They are most likely seeking an indictment in the alleged murder-for-hire plot."

The reason for that would be to put pressure on Terri Horman so she "shares any information she might have on the child's whereabouts," Copus said.

 

[MsFacetious]

I am not really optimistic that Terri will be arrested anytime soon. Hopefully before Kyron's September birthday... but even that seems like a stretch to me at this point.

I hope this press conference today proves me wrong, but I fear it will only reinforce my feelings.

As much as I would like to believe that we are going to get significant developments today...I think Nancy is referring to the press conference and/or grand jury, nothing more. She refers to the analyzing the time line...which came out before DeDe's identity did and is old news. I think it's highly unlikely that the police called her and only her, to tell her that they are going to announce a significant development at any moment. :waitasec:

I would not mind being wrong though.... I'd love a significant development where they walk Kyron out with them for the press conference. :woohoo:

http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?...d=136240783082991&comments=1#s136240783082991

nancy grace has posted something on her facebook that "a significant development could be announced any moment"....

((of course I am taking this with a grain of salt but wanted to bring it forward))

 

[sneezy]

wow... the mention of a "clearing house" for missing kids sounds soo stange to me...

For the record, government generally uses the term "clearing house" for any "one stop" place for information on a particluar topic.

Like an "aging clearing house" is a place where all the information on finding help for aging people can be found, not where the elderly are stored until they are won in a sweepstakes. (that was the joke around our office when we had to set up the "aging clearinghouse" anyway) ;-)

 

[Emma Peel]

Ok,an hour left...there's still time!!!!!!!!! :angel:

well,...maybe...and... maybe not.
That limb looks ready to pop "any moment". :biggrin:

 

[Chewy]

I think what is going on is that TH is going to be arrested for the murder for hire plot. The cops know she did harm to Kyron but they can't prove it. They can prove this though and so will use it to get TH thrown in jail for a long time. And in doing this they want to drive a wedge between DD and TH. Then they are hoping TH will turn on DD. But she's going down for the MFH nothing to do with Kyron.

 

[RubyRed]

According to NG guests on her show tonight they think an arrest is coming soon.

 

[cluciano63]

We have heard from the "experts" that an arrest is imminent for about a month now.

 

[newone]

Do grand juries sit on weekends too?

 

[Bathbuddys]

Truly, I don't understand where you're getting that there was a RO in place before it was ordered. I don't believe there is an 'automatic RO' law in Oregon.

Hi Calliope here is a link to how to get an emergency restraining order. I hope it helps...

http://www.ehow.com/how_2162834_obtain-emergency-restraining-order.html

 

[TxLady2]

They can proceed without the body if another person testifies under oath that she has knowledge of Kyron being killed, how and by whom, for example. Especially if her statement includes details that can be backed up. she may not know where he is exactly but she may know other things.

If they were there when it happened, and know the 'who' and the 'how', it might be enough to get an indictment but I doubt it. Without the proof to back up the witness' statement, and some evidence that he is dead, I'm afraid they don't have probable cause. They just don't charge someone with murder without some evidence of that murder. Even a confession is not enough without the evidence.
Henry Lee Lucas led cops all over the country, confessing to hundreds and hundreds of murders... but he was never charged with most of them, because they couldn't prove it. He did kill quite a few people, but the details of a lot of those murders, were things he could have read in the paper or heard on t.v. He couldn't give them details that only LE knew. Not sure how many deaths he was finally convicted for, but it was nowhere near the number he claimed to have done.

 

[TxLady2]

Hmmm. She's *not a suspect* and she is a witness (last one to see him, all that).
She would either answer or not answer the prosecutor.
Are you sure she will not be called or is that your opinion?

Well, if they convened the grand jury for the purpose of deciding whether to indict Terri, then I would not think she would be called to testify. But if it is as some have said, only an investigative GJ... who knows? I've never heard of that, because in my experience and in talking to those in LE, a grand jury is given the duty of deciding whether there is enough evidence to indict a person of the crime in question. And her lawyer is not going to allow a client to answer questions by the prosecution, without him being there, and we know that is not allowed. So no... I'm not sure, I'm only using reason and logic. Terri would not be called, IMO, but I could be wrong.
It's been my understanding that the investigation has already taken place by the time it goes to the grand jury, then it's up to them to decide whether the evidence is sufficient to indict and proceed to trial.
I hope that's clear... I've had a rough day.

 

[palladore]

There is another Portland area missing person case in which an arrest has been recently made that sheds some light on both how Multnomah County LE works such a case and the evidence needed to make an arrest. It involves an adult, rather than a child. I'm posting links for anyone interested in the details. The woman, Heather Mallory, was reported missing by her husband in March 2008. There was strong circumstantial evidence that fingered the husband, including the fact that a neighbor saw him loading a military-style duffel into his truck. LE used a wiretap in an attempt to get evidence that would implicate the husband. They also did a grid search in the vicinity of a lake where the husband had gone camping and deployed divers in hopes of finding the body. However, the husband was only arrested for Heather's murder a couple weeks ago, after a Bureau of Land Management Worker found a duffle containing Heather's body together with some items that implicated the husband. (We have some very smart felons here in the great Northwest.) The details of the investigation became public only after the arrest.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/items_located_with_portland_wo.html

http://www.kptv.com/news/24275309/detail.html

 

[cluciano63]

I am hoping that if they determine that Terri or someone else is the culprit, given that Kyron is a child and could not have left on his own to start a new life, that a case might be made for murder (if there is at least some testimony from someone she confessed to, for example) that might not hold up in a case with an adult.

But I do think they will need something solid-I am sure that the police in Florida know that Haleigh is dead and they pretty much know it is one of 4-6 people, but they have not been able to move forward at all. So we could be looking at the same situation here. As it is now, unless there is more we don't know, I don't see any probable cause to charge Terri.

 

[ThoughtFox]

There is another Portland area missing person case in which an arrest has been recently made that sheds some light on both how Multnomah County LE works such a case and the evidence needed to make an arrest. It involves an adult, rather than a child. I'm posting links for anyone interested in the details. The woman, Heather Mallory, was reported missing by her husband in March 2008. There was strong circumstantial evidence that fingered the husband, including the fact that a neighbor saw him loading a military-style duffel into his truck. LE used a wiretap in an attempt to get evidence that would implicate the husband. They also did a grid search in the vicinity of a lake where the husband had gone camping and deployed divers in hopes of finding the body. However, the husband was only arrested for Heather's murder a couple weeks ago, after a Bureau of Land Management Worker found a duffle containing Heather's body together with some items that implicated the husband. (We have some very smart felons here in the great Northwest.) The details of the investigation became public only after the arrest.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/items_located_with_portland_wo.html

http://www.kptv.com/news/24275309/detail.html

Thank you so much for the information. I know people get impatient especially when a child is missing, but there are probably things going on right now that we don't know about. I think this one will be solved eventually, but it may be a long haul.

 

[angelainwi]

I think we are in for a long haul.

 

[xin]

I think we are in for a long haul.

Me too. I think they'll give several more months, minimum, if they need to; they need Kyron, when he is found, wherever, however, the next shoe drops with an arrest. These guys are going for the death penalty if they can prove first degree murder with special circumstances (child). IMHO.

 

[captivagrl]

I think what is going on is that TH is going to be arrested for the murder for hire plot. The cops know she did harm to Kyron but they can't prove it. They can prove this though and so will use it to get TH thrown in jail for a long time. And in doing this they want to drive a wedge between DD and TH. Then they are hoping TH will turn on DD. But she's going down for the MFH nothing to do with Kyron.

I also believe TH will be arrested for the MFH. IMO that's what the grand jury was called for. DS plead 5th, waited for immunity and will give testimony. They couldn't convict with the landscapers testimony because they don't feel that he is credible for some reason (past criminal history, illegal alien, working under the table, no business license, etc).
If the grand jury included Kyron's disappearance, I firmly believe Kaine would be called to testify for several reasons including the time-line. He has stated that he has not testified.

 

[xin]

I also believe TH will be arrested for the MFH. IMO that's what the grand jury was called for. DS plead 5th, waited for immunity and will give testimony. They couldn't convict with the landscapers testimony because they don't feel that he is credible for some reason (past criminal history, illegal alien, working under the table, no business license, etc).
If the grand jury included Kyron's disappearance, I firmly believe Kaine would be called to testify for several reasons including the time-line. He has stated that he has not testified.

We'll see. I don't think they have much on either matter, but that's what the Grand Jury is for. Hope prosecutor has enough evidence on whatever it is to convince the GJ to indict.

 

[Donjeta]

I also believe TH will be arrested for the MFH. IMO that's what the grand jury was called for. DS plead 5th, waited for immunity and will give testimony. They couldn't convict with the landscapers testimony because they don't feel that he is credible for some reason (past criminal history, illegal alien, working under the table, no business license, etc).
If the grand jury included Kyron's disappearance, I firmly believe Kaine would be called to testify for several reasons including the time-line. He has stated that he has not testified.

BBM. And the funny thing is that this type of non-credible person might be more credible as a witness about a murder for hire because he probably would be the go-to guy if you're planning a MFH...Instead of a pillar of community with a perfect credit rating you'd probably want someone with a criminal history, and things you can use to get leverage with him ("If you go to the police they'll have you deported...if you tell them I asked you to murder someone I'll tell them all I know about your so called business...")