Is Terri's Odd Behavior Part of Her Plan?

[Calliope]

Just her rosebud. *cough*

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcJyCdbC08c[/ame]

 

[sorrell skye]

Just suppose, for a few minutes, that Terri is innocent. Is there anything she has done that is odd if she is?
Imagine your precious step-son, who you love dearly, has been stolen. I would be somewhat hysterical and in shock.
I would wonder what I could have done that would have made a difference. I would feel guilt for maybe being in a hurry to get my errands done and get to the gym or home to my computer games.
I would be trying to figure out along with the rest of the family where he might be. I would be answering all of LE's questions and I hope I would have a good memory of exactly where I was at what time and what all I did while I was running around.
I would be so worried that my husband might think I was neglectful, especially if we had been having some rough times.
I fail the polygraph but I know I am telling the truth and I can't figure out why it is showing deception. I tell my friend because my family is starting to question me and won't believe the truth. I feel as though I am being persecuted by the ones who are supposed to love me.
I am on anti-depressants (not for PPD) and they make me drowsy sometimes and I am sometimes in a 'zone'. By that I mean I just feel I am on auto pilot and not always aware of what is going on around me. I don't know if she is still taking meds but I do know they take some time to get out of your system. They can also give me a flat affect at times.
My own anxiety may be making things I does appear strange.
My husband tells me not to speak to media. In fact none of us do for a week. Then we all hold a press conference and after that it is kept to bio parents. So I never speak out.
Then my husband leaves. e are fighting things, are bad, but I feel ultimately they will figure out I had nothing to do with this.
At that point I would not have spoken either. I tell a reporter things are fine even though we are starting to feel the stress of living in the limelight. It's not his business how we are.
The same day some guy I may have been seeing shows up demanding money to kill my husband. Now my pi**ed off ex lover has told LE about our affair and lied about MFH.
Le tells my husband the LS story and because of texts he believes both the affair and MFH.
Now my husband files for divorce and an RO. I can't see my baby.
I am freaking out. My parents are trying to keep me from killing myself. I am devastated. I can't do anything. I am completely useless and I don't know what to do.
So my friends and parents get me to see an attorney. All they can see is I am getting blamed for something I am just not capable of. I can't even take care of my self. How can I even think of taking care of my baby.

Ok I am done now.

It's a plausible, well thought-out scenario, IMO.

Just as plausible as any of the theories about how/why TH could have taken K from the school that morning.

This is why I await evidence before coming to my own conclusion.

Having suspicions & coming to conclusions are two different things, IMO. I have suspicions, but I have not yet arrived at a conclusion. I thought I had made up my mind a few weeks ago, but then I asked myself what my conclusions were based upon. I realized they were based on circumstantial evidence & nothing more. So I stepped back & decided to wait.

There are just as many scenarios where TH is not involved as there are in which she could be.

I think it's important to remain objective and look at all the possibilities at this point.

Besides which, LE will either solve this case based on evidence they're able to gather, or they won't, regardless of anyone's opinions who are on the outside looking in. My opinions & what I believe are irrelevant, in the bigger picture. What's relevant is what the investigators & the DA's office come to know - not based on their opinions or their suspicions, but based on what they're able to prove supported by evidence.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by human View Post
she knows this guy. LE knows that she knows this guy by her cell records.

She knows the relationship that she has had with him. She's probably terrified about what he is capable of doing and he has another unknown man with him.

What else could she do but call LE and play it by ear when they arrive.

Above BB gardeness...

I haven't seen this--will you provide a link for me? Thank you!!

Here ya go... Here's the direct quote from court docs along with the link...

"Law enforcement has informed Petitioner's attorney that Respondent's stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. C*** resembles these made to the man Respondent previously attempted to hire to murder Petitioner." -end quote
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

It clearly states that LE said that the sexual overtures seen in texts to MC resembles the ones made to landscper. And it states that atty. Laura Rackner was informed this by LE. I dont think she'd perjure herself to further her clients R.O... So, LE has seen texts btwn TMH and landscaper.. As I would definitely think that once LE caught onto MFH plot that they then of course looked at cell records to see what was being said (if anything) btwn landscaper and Terri, and per this court doc obviously they found similar sexual in nature correspondence thru text btwn those two.

 

[SmoothOperator]

It's a plausible, well thought-out scenario, IMO.

Just as plausible as any of the theories about how/why TH could have taken K from the school that morning.

This is why I await evidence before coming to my own conclusion.

Having suspicions & coming to conclusions are two different things, IMO. I have suspicions, but I have not yet arrived at a conclusion. I thought I had made up my mind a few weeks ago, but then I asked myself what my conclusions were based upon. I realized they were based on circumstantial evidence & nothing more. So I stepped back & decided to wait.

There are just as many scenarios where TH is not involved as there are in which she could be.

I think it's important to remain objective and look at all the possibilities at this point.

Besides which, LE will either solve this case based on evidence they're able to gather, or they won't, regardless of anyone's opinions who are on the outside looking in. My opinions & what I believe are irrelevant, in the bigger picture. What's relevant is what the investigators & the DA's office come to know - not based on their opinions or their suspicions, but based on what they're able to prove supported by evidence.

ITA with above BBM. My opinion is irrelevant as are all of ours. I've never seen a case where all opinions are the same and quite frankly if they were all the same then there certainly would be no need for message boards such as this. If we were all in agreeance there would not be the hundreds of different views of how to look at this case. But in the end our opinions mean zilch, yet that does NOT mean that we each are NOT entitled to opinions of what we believe, think, or feel, or all three of those combined..

Tho, many may disagree on the exact same videos, transcripts, articles, interviews and all can come away with TOTALLY DIFFERENT "takes" on such, but for he majority I think we all want the same result and that is for Kyron to be found and justice to be served

 

[Jaxson]

LE says Terri was the last one to see Kyron. That's all they have and it is not even a fact. No one they have talked to saw him after Terri. Except the perp. Who could be Terri or might not be Terri. Everything else is conjection when it comes to Kyron. I don't care if Terri had an affair with the LS or MC. That in and of itself does not make her a murderer. It doesn't even make her bad. Lots of people have affairs for lots of reasons. I'm sure some of them have even had a child go missing. Or people who have had a child go missing have had affairs. It happens, it's life. And if no one who has ever had an affair has had a child go missing...well....there's always a first time for everything.
I need more to convict her in my mind. Nothing she has done says child killer to me. I will take the high road as long as I can. If they give me some evidence that she committed this crime I will believe it. LE may have that evidence already. They may still be gathering the evidence. But until they show it to me I have nothing on which to base a conviction.

 

[Calliope]

"Law enforcement has informed Petitioner's attorney that Respondent's stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. C resembles these made to the man Respondent previously attempted to hire to murder Petitioner."

That doesn't mean they saw texts or call records. LE could just be going by what they were told by the landscaper, and that he claimed Terri complained about her marriage and made sexual passes at him. There's really no way of knowing just based on that quote.

 

[SmoothOperator]

"petitioner retains the actual cell phone documents provided by law enforcement."
Its stating that not only were cell phone documents searched but also that Kaine has a copy of some such documents.

 

[BeanE]

Above BB gardeness...


Here ya go... Here's the direct quote from court docs along with the link...

"Law enforcement has informed Petitioner's attorney that Respondent's stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. C*** resembles these made to the man Respondent previously attempted to hire to murder Petitioner." -end quote
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

It clearly states that LE said that the sexual overtures seen in texts to MC resembles the ones made to landscper. And it states that atty. Laura Rackner was informed this by LE. I dont think she'd perjure herself to further her clients R.O... So, LE has seen texts btwn TMH and landscaper.. As I would definitely think that once LE caught onto MFH plot that they then of course looked at cell records to see what was being said (if anything) btwn landscaper and Terri, and per this court doc obviously they found similar sexual in nature correspondence thru text btwn those two.

I can't find anything in the document about texts or correspondence between Terri and the landscaper. I've only found what you quoted, personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures. How those concerns and overtures were conveyed by Terri to the landscaper (phone, in person, by handwritten letter, smoke signals, text messages, whispered in his ear, etc) isn't specified.

 

[Jaxson]

"petitioner retains the actual cell phone documents provided by law enforcement."
Its stating that not only were cell phone documents searched but also that Kaine has a copy of some such documents.

Those appear to be the cell phone records of MC. They do not specify that there were cell phone records retrieved from the landscaper.

 

[Calliope]

"petitioner retains the actual cell phone documents provided by law enforcement."
Its stating that not only were cell phone documents searched but also that Kaine has a copy of some such documents.

I took that to mean the cell records between Terri and Cook.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

Sex and sexting don't make you a murderer, either.

 

[GrainneDhu]

This will make me unpopular, I don't care. I have seen nothing BUT odd behavior on TH's part. In my world you don't go on a sexting rampage with your husbands friend AFTER your stepson goes missing. Don't care, ain't normal. Its ODD.

It was also after that husband filed for divorce. I've known quite a few people (men and women) who ran right out and had a rebound affair for a variety of reasons.

If sexting with a new partner after divorce papers are filed is odd, then there are a lot of odd people out there. So many, in fact, that I think their numbers rise above "odd" or "rare" or "unusual."

You don't let your spouse take your baby away with not so much as a whimper about wanting her back, its ODD.

Let's see... it appears she called 911 late that evening asking about custody. It appears she asked a gym employee to be notified if KH appeared with baby K.

Both of those actions appear to me to rise above the level of whimpering.

And no one knows what else she has done in private. For all anyone, including me, knows, she has cried so much in private that there are no more tears, fought tooth and nail with her lawyer over which strategy to follow, etc.

We actually have just about as much evidence about Desiree's reaction to losing primary custody of Kyron when he was less than two years old. Which is to say, none.

Maybe KH has a taste for odd women or maybe neither DY nor TMH see fit to air their private reactions to the national news media.

You don't have a story that LE cannot confirm as true for the time spent doing unknown things while your stepson is missing from school, its ODD.

Depending on the date and time, it's more than possible that you yourself have four hour periods in your life where LE would be unable to confirm your whereabouts. If you sleep, there are hours there where no one else can confirm you're in your bed asleep. Even if you have a partner, your partner probably sleeps as well.

Trauma can do strange things to a person's memory. Some people remember everything around the trauma with crystal clarity. Other people lose patches of time around a major trauma. I'm one of that type and I've been told that it falls within the range of normal reactions.

You don't flunk two polys (walk out on one) it's ODD.

Why not? I wouldn't even consent to take ONE polygraph, no matter who was missing. It sounds like she willingly went in for the first poly and was upset when she failed some part of it. If she is factually innocent, that right there would be enough to shake her belief in the fairness or objectivity of polygraphs, such that she would not be particularly cooperative about taking another.

You don't make plans to supposedly kidnap your baby from gym daycare, thats ODD behavior.

Um, wait a minute. Above you wrote that:

You don't let your spouse take your baby away with not so much as a whimper about wanting her back, its ODD.

So is her attempting to find baby K odd or not?

It is so common for spouses in a custody dispute to do things like pick up the child from daycare or school that it is routine for such places to have policies to prevent it. Daycares and schools didn't make up those policies because someone somewhere speculated that just maybe a noncustodial spouse in a custody dispute might do such a thing. They have the policies to prevent it because it happens so often.

Everything I have seen from TH, including her BS act up in front of the media at the pressers that was supposed to pass for "devastated", was ODD. Everyone here saw it and many people commented on it.
Now the tide has shifted and everyone is saying theres nothing odd about TH.

I find that ODD in itself.

JMO

Without a greater context to place all these allegations into, I find it difficult to decide from one day to the next how to interpret her behaviour. I go from being almost convinced that she is the perpetrator to being almost convinced she is factually innocent.

Yeah, I'm probably ODD too.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Having suspicions & coming to conclusions are two different things, IMO. I have suspicions, but I have not yet arrived at a conclusion. I thought I had made up my mind a few weeks ago, but then I asked myself what my conclusions were based upon. I realized they were based on circumstantial evidence & nothing more. So I stepped back & decided to wait.

Yeah, this.

Thanks wasn't enough.

 

[newone]

You know what? I read on a post here today that Terri is 40. I hadn't realized it and she certainly doesn't look it. Could all of her actions not be part of a big plan but a huge midlife crisis? Maybe her meltdown was the fact that she turned 40? I know there's celebrity 40 year olds that still look good, but maybe she worried that turning 40 was the beginning of the end, especially since she had a baby at what, 38?

It just got me to thinking, and I know there's no information out there to support that, or anything really, but I when I read her age, it struck me. Midlife crisis. I don't know if killing or hurting Kyron is part of that, but if she had PPD and then 40 hit, who knows what kind of combination that could be?

Of course, my dad had a sort of midlife crisis in his forties and drove around in a red miata for a few years, so I know not everyone goes nuclear or bonkers at that age, but still, it could be part of what's going on here. And I'm only six years from it myself, and I hope I don't go bonkers or anything when that time comes!

BBM

Your reference to the red miata made me smile. Years ago in my neighbourhood we all started ''noticing'' the sudden purchases of red convertibles, SUV's etc coincided with ''mid life'' markers -- so much so that we referred to it as 'middle age' crazy red car impulse shopping or 'peri-menopause' cars.:angel:

 

[newone]

I was thinking along the same lines. For the last few months I've been really stressed in teaching adult students tons and tons of information for the GREs. My brain has been on super overload. To relieve stress I've found myself looking into disaster stories on youtube. If you tracked me for the last three months you'd see, frustration with a child due to reinrolling him in public school after a bout of an unsuccessful homeschool period, (CPS actually was involved in my trying to put him back in public school so close to the end of the school year) all my kids were investigated because of the delay and the case was closed. You'd see me going to bars on a regular basis because I tutor privately and during the early afternoon the only quiet place I've been able to find are pubs (Libraries have too many toddlers and young children so it's noisey and starbucks is too busy and filled with teenagers) pubs are basically empty from 12-3.

You'd see an unhealthy obsession with air plane disasters, research into what happens to a body after an airplane crash, you'd see true crime cases and now Websleuths with child abduction cases.

You'd see text messages to people that sounded sarcastic and funny to me but could be taken wrong by others.

You'd see some difficulty with my ex husband and screaming match between me and sister in Atlantic City.

Now imagine one of my kids (god forbid) having something happen. What kind of person would I look like to you all? Imagine that would be all you knew about me. I'd look like some stressed out, death obsessed, bar hopping lunatic who had CPS at the house to investigate the well being of my children.

But that's not me at all. (I promise :truce

bbm -- thanks for saying that -- during times of stress I tend to make ''remarks that are questionable'' too ((my '''gallows''' humor)) -- I have thought that TH's desire to hit the gym is commendable....some of us might be tempted to hit the gin instead -- the gym is a healthier option.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

We're not in court here. The court of public opinion has the luxury of judging people based on whatever criteria works in their mind. For me, post-event behavior plays a big role. When OJ was on the run in that bronco, it was pretty clear to me he wasn't an innocent victim.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

I think some people are reading WAY too much into things

 

[cluciano63]

I think some people are reading WAY too much into things

I have to agree. And as to the title of this thread, I am one who is not certain there ever was a plan but instead maybe a horrible accident. And in any case, why would she behave "oddly" on purpose? She is not acting "insane", if that is what is meant. But unusual behavior of any kind would not be "unusual" under certain circumstances; actaul innocence with perceived guilt by the public and LE could make one behave differently. And if she was "done" with Kaine in her mind, sure it is a little soon and under the circumstances, does not seem "proper" to start up with MC but many, many people do that sort of thing. Especially if she was convinced that Kaine already had another lover and had for some time, in her mind anyway.

 

[debs]

BBM

Your reference to the red miata made me smile. Years ago in my neighbourhood we all started ''noticing'' the sudden purchases of red convertibles, SUV's etc coincided with ''mid life'' markers -- so much so that we referred to it as 'middle age' crazy red car impulse shopping or 'peri-menopause' cars.:angel:

The car was a gift to Terri from Kaine. It wasn't even her purchase, her peri-menopause at all. She might have expressed a desire for one, but it was a gift from her husband to her. What does that coincide with, I wonder?

 

[human]

Just a little pre-emptive strike here.

I have made numerous calls cell-to-cell with my landscaper over the last year. I have never asked him to kill anyone or anything but the weeds in my back yard. We've never been romantically involved.

Just a public statement in case I'm ever accused of *whatever* somewhere down the line...

so you say. The best defense is a good offense