Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #9

[Dotta]

I agree completely.

Then.... there needs to be some fundamental changes to the way Israel conducts business in the West Bank and Gaza.

There is no military solution to the long term conflict. As a result, no amount of superior weaponry matters.

Well
Settlers were berated
Wow!
Wind of change?
Or am I too optimistic?

 

[Simply Southern]

Coordinator for the U.S. National Security Council, John Kirby made it clear today that the White House and Department of Defense both do not Support any kind of “General Ceasefire” in Gaza as it would only Help and Legitimize the Hamas Terrorist Organization and their Control over Gaza; however he said they do Support several Small-Pauses in Fighting which could be used for Negotiations and/or Humanitarian Purposes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722327403010089165

We won't back down!!!

 

[fred&edna]

I agree completely.

Then.... there needs to be some fundamental changes to the way Israel conducts business in the West Bank and Gaza.

There is no military solution to the long term conflict. As a result, no amount of superior weaponry matters.

I haven't been reading every post but... that almost sounds like blaming Israel for Islamic fundamentalism controlling Palestinians?!

There is no "conducting business" with Islamic fundamentalists. The only business that's been occurring for... uhmm... how many years?... is Israeli's keeping one eye open while they sleep. jmo

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Apologies if already posted, The well-known son of a Hamas leader, the most passionate anti-Hamas talk ever, urging no pause on war.

Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of Hamas co-founder Hassan Yousef

 

[Cryptic]

I haven't been reading every post but... that almost sounds like blaming Israel for Islamic fundamentalism controlling Palestinians?!

There is no "conducting business" with Islamic fundamentalists. The only business that's been occurring for... uhmm... how many years?... is Israeli's keeping one eye open while they sleep. jmo

I don't think you ahve read every post. Please note the following:

- Most Palestinians are not governed by Islamic fundamentalists. Most Palestinians live on the West Bank and Fatah is secular.

Yes, fundamental changes do need to occur regarding the continuing Israeli land claims on the West Bank and other Israeli occupation policies. The practices below may sound like good ideas (to some on the Israeli far right), but they are not sustainable in the long term.

Israel OK's plans for thousands of new settlement homes, defying White House calls for restraint

Israeli media say the country's far-right government has approved plans to build over 5,000 of new homes in Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank.

apnews.com

This former Mossad head agrees that there is more to how Israel conducts business than "Islamic Fundamentalism". He does not strike me as being "pro Hamas".

Then again to some, anybody, who in anyway, criticizes any Israeli policy, for any reason must be "Pro Hamas":

A former Mossad chief says Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank

A former head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency says that Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank.

apnews.com

 

[fred&edna]

Interviews with people at some of the free Palestine protests.

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1722203846523687178?s=20

Those people call Hamas freedom fighters. Islamic Fundamentalism is a freedom killer.

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

I believe you when you say that you have not been reading every post.

Most Palestinians are not governed by Islamic fundamentalists. Most Palestinians live on the West Bank and Fatah is secular.

Yes, fundamental changes do need to occur regarding the continuing Israeli land claims on the West Bank and other Israeli occupation policies. The practices below may sound like good ideas (to some), but they are not sustainable in the long term.

Israel OK's plans for thousands of new settlement homes, defying White House calls for restraint

Israeli media say the country's far-right government has approved plans to build over 5,000 of new homes in Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank.

apnews.com

This former Mossad head agrees that there is more to how Israel conducts business than "Islamic Fundamentalism". He does not strike me as being "pro Hamas".

Then again to some, anybody, who in anyway, criticizes any Israeli policy, for any reason must be "Pro Hamas":

A former Mossad chief says Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank

A former head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency says that Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank.

apnews.com

I saw your Pardo post previously... I didn't miss that. And, while I have already agreed that bullying on the part of Israel occurs (just like the US not always being good guys). We discussed this previously. But, blaming Israel for all (or almost all) the ails of the Palestinians (especially in such a highly populated area as the West Bank) is not rational. ETA: I do not want to argue with you. There's just too much of it lately. jmo

 

[Cryptic]

I saw your Pardo post previously... I didn't miss that. And, while I have already agreed that bullying on the part of Israel occurs (just like the US not always being good guys). We discussed this previously. But, blaming Israel for all (or almost all) the ails of the Palestinians (especially in such a highly populated area as the West Bank) is not rational. jmo

Pardo post? I dont understand.

I do not, however, blame Israel for most of the ills of the Palestinian. Rather, I just state that there needs to be fundamental changes in Israeli policy. No additional settlements on "claimed" land would be a good start.

 

[PrairieWind]

Pardo post? I dont understand.

I do not, however, blame Israel for most of the ills of the Palestinian. Rather, I just state that there needs to be fundamental changes in Israeli policy. No additional settlements on "claimed" land would be a good start.

Maybe an acceptance of a two state solution would be a good start?

 

[Dotta]

I saw your Pardo post previously... I didn't miss that. And, while I have already agreed that bullying on the part of Israel occurs (just like the US not always being good guys). We discussed this previously. But, blaming Israel for all (or almost all) the ails of the Palestinians (especially in such a highly populated area as the West Bank) is not rational. ETA: I do not want to argue with you. There's just too much of it lately. jmo

The biggest mistake Palestinians made, when they rejected the chance to create their own state in 1947.

Palestinians were to receive the land on the western bank of the Jordan River and the land southeast and north of Gaza.

The rest of the areas were to come under Jewish rule.

Jerusalem was to remain under international supervision.

The Jews declared independence,
but the Palestinians did not.

If the Palestinians had declared independence then, it would have been accepted by all world powers.

Mapy dobitnie pokazują, co tak naprawdę wydarzyło się w Izraelu [ZOBACZ MAPY]

Organizacja Narodów Zjednoczonych 76 lat temu zdecydowała, że Brytyjski Mandat Palestyny zostanie podzielony na dwa państwa: arabskie i żydowskie. Zapisy

wydarzenia.interia.pl

 

[fred&edna]

Pardo post? I dont understand.

I do not, however, blame Israel for most of the ills of the Palestinian. Rather, I just state that there needs to be fundamental changes in Israeli policy. No additional settlements on "claimed" land would be a good start.

Tamir Pardo... wasn't he the former Mossad chief you linked in the previous AP post??

This link - Which is the same link you provided earlier in this thread. I didn't miss it.

A former Mossad chief says Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank

A former head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency says that Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank.

apnews.com

ETA: I may not read every post but I was just clarifying I was aware of your previous post with link related to the former Mossad chief.

 

[Cryptic]

Maybe an acceptance of a two state solution would be a good start?

I think that it may be too late for that as the constantly growing number of Israeli settlements as fragmented the West Bank into smaller and smaller fragments.

Likewise, it is hard to have a state when residents are forbidden to walk on the streets, let alone vote in a two state solution:

A Jewish American Explains Why She's Breaking Her Silence About Israel's Occupation

In Hebron, Palestinians are subjected to daily indignities—large and small.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Cryptic]

Tamir Pardo... wasn't he the former Mossad chief you linked in the previous AP post??

This link - Which is the same link you provided earlier in this thread. I didn't miss it.

A former Mossad chief says Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank

A former head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency says that Israel is enforcing an apartheid system in the West Bank.

apnews.com

I understand now. Yes, its the same link. I think Pardo should be listened to. As a former Mossad head, his opinion as to what is sustainable, and what is not is far more valuable than those of far right settlers and far left peace activists.

 

[Momoffourboys]

64 trucks of international humanitarian aid were inspected and transferred to Gaza via the Rafah Crossing today.18 carrying food11 carrying medical supplies25 carrying water2 carrying shelter equipment 8 mixed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722347880130793616

 

[fred&edna]

I understand now. Yes, its the same link. I think Pardo should be listened to.

Sometimes I do remember information and usually freely admit to forgetting or missing info.

 

[Momoffourboys]

U.S. Central Command has now Confirmed that a Air Force MQ-9A “Reaper” Surveillance Drone was Downed by the Houthis earlier today, while it was in International Airspace over the Red Sea off the Coast of Yemen; the Incident is currently under Investigation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722382548733394994

 

[fred&edna]

The biggest mistake Palestinians made, when they rejected the chance to create their own state in 1947.

Palestinians were to receive the land on the western bank of the Jordan River and the land southeast and north of Gaza.

The rest of the areas were to come under Jewish rule.

Jerusalem was to remain under international supervision.

The Jews declared independence,
but the Palestinians did not.

If the Palestinians had declared independence then, it would have been accepted by all world powers.

Mapy dobitnie pokazują, co tak naprawdę wydarzyło się w Izraelu [ZOBACZ MAPY]

Organizacja Narodów Zjednoczonych 76 lat temu zdecydowała, że Brytyjski Mandat Palestyny zostanie podzielony na dwa państwa: arabskie i żydowskie. Zapisy

wydarzenia.interia.pl

I very much agree with this. (Unless something comes along to change my mind, lol... which isn't impossible). I wish we could change history.

 

[Cryptic]

Sometimes I do remember information and usually freely admit to forgetting or missing info.

I truly believe you. It was my link, but I could not remember his name to save my life. But.... you did.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I very much agree with this. (Unless something comes along to change my mind, lol... which isn't impossible). I wish we could change history.

I hope both sides get another chance. With Hamas eradicated and following elections in Israel (post war). The people on both sides deserve a chance at peace. One can dream.

 

[Dotta]

I truly believe you. It was my link, but I could not remember his name to save my life. But.... you did.

And now kiss one another to seal peace