Jodi Arias Trial: the weekend discussion

[Karmady]

I've only seen the blurry close up of her vagina that was displayed in opening statements. Someone got a screen grab and linked it here. She wasn't hiding behind her hair then

ooohhh, eeewwww lol

 

[kkdj]

Has anybody seen the pigtails picture of Jody?
Were the pigtails up high like a child would wear
Or
Down low native Indian style?

 

[LotusPawprint]

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The demonization of the seductress female archetype continues unabated. Evil wench seducing and forcing poor defenseless man-boy to have multiple sexual trysts which was unwanted, in this fable. Sorry, but that stereotype doesn't do a thing to help understand this tragic case.
She isn't the "worst of the worst." Fortunately she was stopped before she could ever kill again. I can name dozens of others more evil and more heinous. Darlie Routier anyone? Charles Manson? Richard Ramirez? Diane Downs?

This crime will be punished. If that isn't obvious by now, I don't know what is. She will not walk the streets ever again. You don't need to hide your sons and quake in fear. She may or may not get the DP. Either way she won't be put to death even if she does get that sentence. She'll be in prison the rest of her life. She will carry a heavy karmic debt out of this life, like all murderers.

bbm - Do you mind sharing what would help understand this tragic case, in your opinion?


I think JA's actions demonize themselves, we don't need to do much there. I don't hear many calling Travis a poor, defenseless man-boy.




It's interesting, the phrase "worst of the worst" being brought up. I was going to post about that here the other day in reference to another case. There was a woman who was randomly kidnapped from her home, sexually assaulted, shot in the head, and dumped. Her killer was caught, tried, found guilty and faced the DP. During the guilt phase as his attorneys tried to get him LWOP they said "He is not the worst of the worst of the worst". I will never, ever forget that. I know her family won't either and I know the jury won't either. He was sentenced to death. I don't think anyone else was thinking about his crime in comparision to the BTK Killer or Ted Bundy or anyone else.

Jodi Arias brutalized Travis beyond imagination with the ultimate cruelty and his last moments had to be worse than hell. She may not get death, but there's no question in my mind she should and 12 reasonable people could send her off to be exterminated for the atrocity she committed.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Has anybody seen the pigtails picture of Jody?
Were the pigtails up high like a child would wear
Or
Down low native Indian style?

I haven't seen them. But I believe they were up high and child like. She was hoping to use that as part of Travis was a pedophile defense she manufactured with forged letters she had hoped people would believe were written by Travis admitting he was attracted to little girls.

 

[LotusPawprint]

If we're lucky she'll one day be in that aliens position ....but strapped down

strapped down? Right up her alley...

 

[Boodles]

When the Defense Attorney says Jodi did it and there is no question about that, where did that come from? I know Jodi had to admit she was at Travis' home because of camera pics, handprint in blood and her blood being present. I am just not getting this part that she confessed, but not to police. Is there somewhere I can read about this? Thanks

No Isabelle, that's what we're waiting for...to see what the defense will say and present to explain and prove her self defense claim. The only reference I know of was the defense's opening statement which was very general. The sister may have blogged something general as well (e.g., "Jodi acted in self defense ...") but no specifics.

Stay tuned!

 

[norest4thewicked]

Has anybody seen the pigtails picture of Jody?
Were the pigtails up high like a child would wear
Or
Down low native Indian style?

As far as I know, those photos have not been released yet. Out of curiosity, can I ask why you want to know this?

 

[Linda7NJ]

bbm - Do you mind sharing what would help understand this tragic case, in your opinion?


I think JA's actions demonize themselves, we don't need to do much there. I don't hear many calling Travis a poor, defenseless man-boy.




It's interesting, the phrase "worst of the worst" being brought up. I was going to post about that here the other day in reference to another case. There was a woman who was randomly kidnapped from her home, sexually assaulted, shot in the head, and dumped. Her killer was caught, tried, found guilty and faced the DP. During the guilt phase as his attorneys tried to get him LWOP they said "He is not the worst of the worst of the worst". I will never, ever forget that. I know her family won't either and I know the jury won't either. He was sentenced to death. I don't think anyone else was thinking about his crime in comparision to the BTK Killer or Ted Bundy or anyone else.

Jodi Arias brutalized Travis beyond imagination with the ultimately cruelty and his last moments had to be worse than hell. She may not get death, but there's no question in my mind she should and 12 reasonable people could send her off to be exterminated for the atrocity she committed.

Thanks button wasn't enough! Bravo!

 

[Summerfun]

Mentally abused is not a defense for murder.


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My point was it got Mary Winkler off.

 

[all4justice]

We may be in for alot more of the Cousin It look but wait I keep forgetting she is who she is. I bet her lawyers have warned her to look sad and scared like she was forced to pose. Look demure. I bet she still sneaks plenty of peaks at the photos.

I think she's going to be watching those male jurors like a hawk when the sex photos are displayed. She'll be looking to see if any of them show even a little "non-forensic" interest. MOO, all she needs is just a little sign of weakness and she'll probably think she can get a mistrial at the least or perhaps even a NG verdict. MOO, JMO

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[Karmady]

bbm - Do you mind sharing what would help understand this tragic case, in your opinion?


I think JA's actions demonize themselves, we don't need to do much there. I don't hear many calling Travis a poor, defenseless man-boy.




It's interesting, the phrase "worst of the worst" being brought up. I was going to post about that here the other day in reference to another case. There was a woman who was randomly kidnapped from her home, sexually assaulted, shot in the head, and dumped. Her killer was caught, tried, found guilty and faced the DP. During the guilt phase as his attorneys tried to get him LWOP they said "He is not the worst of the worst of the worst". I will never, ever forget that. I know her family won't either and I know the jury won't either. He was sentenced to death. I don't think anyone else was thinking about his crime in comparision to the BTK Killer or Ted Bundy or anyone else.

Jodi Arias brutalized Travis beyond imagination with the ultimately cruelty and his last moments had to be worse than hell. She may not get death, but there's no question in my mind she should and 12 reasonable people could send her off to be exterminated for the atrocity she committed.

I totally wish we could put aside the whole "who's side are you on" thing and discuss the underlying situation in a balanced way. I've yet to see anyone here or really anywhere who thinks jodi is innocent or that she even should get less than life w/o parole if not death for the dp inclined. And I'm one of them. I'm not opposed to the dp and think she should get it in this case. Almost EVERYONE agrees. I'd love to be able to talk about what are, to me at least, the more interesting aspects of a done deal -- like the dynamics of the relationship and the *unknowns* -- without having to constantly apologize and explain that I'm not "pro jodi."

 

[Isabelle]

Just finished listening to opening statements (youtube link one missing first 15 minutes). I didn't hear defense say anything about the sister. I heard part of opening on first day, and Defense did say Jodi was guilty, but I don't remember how the 'guilty' came to be??

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's really a shame the jury won't hear about her attempts to paint him as a pedophile!

 

[Isabelle]

No Isabelle, that's what we're waiting for...to see what the defense will say and present to explain and prove her self defense claim. The only reference I know of was the defense's opening statement which was very general. The sister may have blogged something general as well (e.g., "Jodi acted in self defense ...") but no specifics.

Stay tuned!

K, thanks. Just trying to understand if this trial is about level of offense, Murder One or other or is the trial about guilt/non-guilt or is it mixed? I am coffused! Most trials I have watched or read about are to determine guilt.

And, seems I read something Jodi's sister facebooked or blogged that Jodi killed Travis in self-defense. Good grief, I can't imagine that her guilt would be based on her sister's statement (not that I think she is innocent, because she is not).

 

[Linda7NJ]

K, thanks. Just trying to understand if this trial is about level of offense, Murder One or other or is the trial about guilt/non-guilt or is it mixed? I am coffused! Most trials I have watched or read about are to determine guilt.

And, seems I read something Jodi's sister facebooked or blogged that Jodi killed Travis in self-defense. Good grief, I can't imagine that her guilt would be based on her sister's statement (not that I think she is innocent, because she is not).

She didn't admit guilt to murder. She's claiming it was a justifiable homicide because she was defending herself from certain death at Travis's hand, that's self defense.

 

[Madeleine74]

bbm - Do you mind sharing what would help understand this tragic case, in your opinion?

Two seemingly normal healthy adults (both well over the age of 21) meet and start dating/hanging out and have some sort of relationship, occasionally long distance and sometimes not. The male is deeply into the Mormon faith though is not following the strictest tenants of the religion and keeps that hidden as he and the female pursue sexual relations. The female adopts the male's religion and his persona and is clingy and is or becomes obsessive about this man. The male determines the relationship has no future and it eventually ends but continues in some fashion with one person not letting go (the female) and the male still engaging with the female. The dynamic is dysfunctional with both adults engaging in an ongoing sexual relationship as anger grows for both of them and the female's behavior shows violence. The female continues to escalate on to a "Glenn Close" level of bunny boiling behavior as she devolves from jealousy/rage/abandonment. At the end she plots or at least prepares for the male's demise and after one final tryst over many hours, murders the male by stabbing, slashing and finally shooting him and leaving his body. The crime demonstrates a rage type killing.

I don't hear many calling Travis a poor, defenseless man-boy.

No not those words, but in spirit yes. I've seen several suggesting poor Travis, a sex-starved man, could not help himself and had to succumb to the charms of a willing female, evil though she was.

It's interesting, the phrase "worst of the worst" being brought up. I was going to post about that here the other day in reference to another case. There was a woman who was randomly kidnapped from her home, sexually assaulted, shot in the head, and dumped. Her killer was caught, tried, found guilty and faced the DP. During the guilt phase as his attorneys tried to get him LWOP they said "He is not the worst of the worst of the worst". I will never, ever forget that. I know her family won't either and I know the jury won't either. He was sentenced to death. I don't think anyone else was thinking about his crime in comparision to the BTK Killer or Ted Bundy or anyone else.

How about mitigating and aggravating then.

I wish someone would define a first degree murder that isn't "cruel, heinous, awful" or whatever adjectives one chooses to use. To me they are ALL terrible and cruel and heinous and yet the death penalty is not given to all perpetrators of first degree murder.

Jodi Arias brutalized Travis beyond imagination with the ultimately cruelty and his last moments had to be worse than hell. She may not get death, but there's no question in my mind she should and 12 reasonable people could send her off to be exterminated for the atrocity she committed.

"Brutalized beyond imagination?" Excellent hyperbole. This murder is terrible/awful, but not beyond what has been seen. It was over in 2 minutes or less. That doesn't make it okay on any level, so please don't suggest I am saying it is. Yes he suffered as do all murder victims. She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."

 

[LotusPawprint]

I totally wish we could put aside the whole "who's side are you on" thing and discuss the underlying situation in a balanced way. I've yet to see anyone here or really anywhere who thinks jodi is innocent or that she even should get less than life w/o parole if not death for the dp inclined. And I'm one of them. I'm not opposed to the dp and think she should get it in this case. Almost EVERYONE agrees. I'd love to be able to talk about what are, to me at least, the more interesting aspects of a done deal -- like the dynamics of the relationship and the *unknowns* -- without having to constantly apologize and explain that I'm not "pro jodi."

I agree? I'm not sure why my post was quoted as the reference for this. I stand by the post, and I wasn't attacking anyone or suggesting anyone as being "pro-Jodi".

 

[kkdj]

It's really a shame the jury won't hear about her attempts to paint him as a pedophile!

Where can I hear more about that!

 

[norest4thewicked]

Two seemingly normal healthy adults (both well over the age of 21) meet and start dating/hanging out and have some sort of relationship, occasionally long distance and sometimes not. The male is deeply into the Mormon faith though is not following the strictest tenants of the religion and keeps that hidden as he and the female pursue sexual relations. The female adopts the male's religion and his persona and is clingy and is or becomes obsessive about this man. The male determines the relationship has no future and it eventually ends but continues in some fashion with one person not letting go (the female) and the male still engaging with the female. The dynamic is dysfunctional with both adults engaging in an ongoing sexual relationship as anger grows for both of them and the female's behavior shows violence. The female continues to escalate on to a "Glenn Close" level of bunny boiling behavior as she devolves from jealousy/rage/abandonment. At the end she plots or at least prepares for the male's demise and after one final tryst over many hours, murders the male by stabbing, slashing and finally shooting him and leaving his body. The crime demonstrates a rage type killing.

No not those words, but in spirit yes. I've seen several suggesting poor Travis, a sex-starved man, could not help himself and had to succumb to the charms of a willing female, evil though she was.




How about mitigating and aggravating then.

I wish someone would define a first degree murder that isn't "cruel, heinous, awful" or whatever adjectives one chooses to use. To me they are ALL terrible and cruel and heinous and yet the death penalty is not given to all perpetrators of first degree murder.

"Brutalized beyond imagination?" Excellent hyperbole. This murder is terrible/awful, but not beyond what has been seen. It was over in 2 minutes or less. That doesn't make it okay on any level, so please don't suggest I am saying it is. Yes he suffered as do all murder victims. She might be sentenced to death or she might not be. Susan Wright, who stabbed her husband 200 times after tying him to the bed and pouring hot candle wax over him was given 25 years to life in prison, with no DP on the table. 200 stab wounds is something I consider "brutalized beyond imagination." Petit family kidnap/brutalized for hours/tied to beds/forced to go to bank and get $$$$/then sexually assaulted/ burned alive....that's "brutalized beyond imagination."

And...so...????

We each still have a right to our opinions. Mine is that Jodi Arias deserves to die for the way she slaughtered Travis Alexander. Period.

 

[Karmady]

I agree? I'm not sure why my post was quoted as the reference for this. I stand by the post, and I wasn't attacking anyone or suggesting anyone as being "pro-Jodi".

Because of the dynamic between your post and the one you were responding to.

eta: this part, in particular

"Do you mind sharing what would help understand this tragic case, in your opinion?

I think JA's actions demonize themselves, we don't need to do much there. I don't hear many calling Travis a poor, defenseless man-boy."

Imo, there are plenty of things that could help us understand the case and they include both the behaviour of the victim and of Jodi.