JonBenet's hands were loosely bound

  • #21
aussiesheila said:
Although the knots tying the loops of cord around JonBenet's wrists were tight, the actual loops around her wrists were quite loose. John tried to untie the knot on the loop around her left wrist but I don't think he did end up untying it at all. I think he realized he could pull the whole loop over her hand and he removed the binding from the left hand that way.

Before Meyer removed the cord from the right wrist he photographed the hand with the loop still around it. This photograph is on the Jameson website and it shows that there was a knot with a 5.5 inch end coming from it on the underside of the wrist. There is also a photo showing the upper side of the wrist and there is another knot shown there with another small loop. I think Meyer undid this knot and in doing so destroyed this small loop because it is not there in the photo showing the cord after its removal from the body. There was also a length of cord between the two wrist loops that was 15.5 inches long.

This complicated system of knots and loops on loops and a length between the loops does not look like the type of binding a kidnapper would use to restrain his victim. For one thing a real kidnapper, or even a staged kidnapper would simply wind the cord around and around both wrists together and and he would tie her arms behind her back, not above her head. For another thing JonBenet could have wriggled her hands free from those loose loops no problem, that is, unless there was some tension put on her arms so that she could not move her arms at all.

Those two wrist loops each with an additional superimposed small loop, and the length of cord between them suggest this binding had a different purpose, and I think it was to position JonBenet for a session of sexual abuse. I think she was stood on that chair that was later found in the doorway to the train room and with the wrist loops in place her arms were stretched straight above her head through being pulled by the 15.5 inch length of cord that was connected to a hook attached to some overhead structure. That way she was immobilized for the entire ordeal.
Aussie, maybe I'm reading this post wrong, but it looks like you are contradicting yourself.

If the loops were so loose that her hands could easily slip out of them, what makes you believe she couldn't do that while standing on a chair?

There were no hooks in the ceiling and from what I understand there was nothing on the ceiling she could possibly have been hung from except the light fixture. Regular light fixtures aren't strong enough to hold 75 lbs. Only those that are specially designed and mounted can. The light in the basement was just a regular receptacle with a bare bulb in it.

If she were tied then I doubt she wouldn't have struggled and caused chaffing of the wrists. There were no marks...

The knots were not complicated at all. Typical knots. If I remember to do it, I'll take pictures of the knots around the pole I told you about before so you can compare them.
 
  • #22
Seeker said:
Aussie, maybe I'm reading this post wrong, but it looks like you are contradicting yourself.
Well no, I probably haven't explained what I mean clearly.

Seeker said:
If the loops were so loose that her hands could easily slip out of them, what makes you believe she couldn't do that while standing on a chair?
I don't think I did say though, that the loops were so loose that her hands could easily slip out of them. The only way I think, that the hands could have been freed from the loops would have been by peeling each one over the hand using the fingers of the other hand to do so. This was not an option available to JonBenet.

What I mean is, I think she was standing on a chair her arms are fully extended above her head, being held taut by the cord tied around her wrists, which was attached to a point on the ceiling or over a door jamb. She couldn't pull her hands out of the loops because the loops were not loose enough for her hands to slip through.

Seeker said:
There were no hooks in the ceiling and from what I understand there was nothing on the ceiling she could possibly have been hung from except the light fixture. Regular light fixtures aren't strong enough to hold 75 lbs. Only those that are specially designed and mounted can. The light in the basement was just a regular receptacle with a bare bulb in it.
If you look at the photos of the basement you can see a lot of pipes running just below the ceiling. The cord could have been attached to one of these, or it could have been attached to a door jamb by one of those devices that is used to hang a baby swing.

Seeker said:
If she were tied then I doubt she wouldn't have struggled and caused chaffing of the wrists. There were no marks...
She might have been dissuaded from struggling by the application of the stun gun to her body when she did try it.

Seeker said:
The knots were not complicated at all. Typical knots. If I remember to do it, I'll take pictures of the knots around the pole I told you about before so you can compare them.
The knots themselves may not have been too complicated but the form of the wrist bindings was complicated. It was complicated in that the construction appeared to have some form to it that suggested a function other than just to simply bind the hands together. All that would have been needed to bind the hands together was the whole length of cord to be wound around and around the two wrists and tied with a single knot. The wrist cord had three knots and lengths of cord hanging free making no functional contribution to any binding.
 
  • #23
"She might have been dissuaded from struggling by the application of the stun gun to her body when she did try it."

I doubt it! A stun gun woul just make her thrash more.
 

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