Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #2

[DAnthrplgst]

I didn't know we could do that! Man, that would have saved me a lot of trouble when I was sharing something yesterday, haha.

Although, the "Help Find Lucas" page on Facebook is ridiculous, honestly.

That's why, as a rule, I NEVER visit Facebook pages related to missing people/crimes. It's just a personal pet peeve of mine but I cannot stomach those who engage in grief , faux outrage, witch hunting and spreading false or unsubstantiated rumors. I'm a strict facts man, I don't care if your mom's, best friend's, cousins, dog's, girlfriend three towns over told you they heard, saw, watched something, has it been verified by LE? No? Then stop discussing it until it becomes verified.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

They can't be going by phone pings/gps otherwise just one park would have been searched, right?

Unless someone cased out/drove around to several parks before deciding on one?

RBBM

I wondered about that also.

Casing out, or hiding different pieces of evidence at different parks?

And if so, maybe they searched the Great Plains/Chisholm Creek first because that was where the phone stayed the longest (e.g., an hour at Great Plains/Chisholm > a half-hour at Harrison > 15 minutes at Dr. Glen Dey/Grove) per location history?

Sorry if this has been answered already— I haven’t caught up yet.

The first two parks, Great Plains/Chisholm Creek and Grove Park will have similar foliage. They are very close in proximity and may even share a creek or water source.

The third park, Harrison. Is very, very different from the other two. The only thing they have in common that I can think of is a cement walking path and a pond. They don’t seem to be interested in ponds, so really we are down to a cement walking path.

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RBBM

Maybe there was a SnapChat sent showing a park?

*Possible* Scenario:

Perhaps no one had seen Lucas in several days -either in person or via video chat- and someone inquired about it and was told something like “He is finally starting to feel better, but is already in bed, so no chatting now, but definitely tomorrow.”

Lucas is still unavailable , but the inquiring party is expecting something that confirms he is indeed doing better (especially if there have been allegations of abuse in the past), so an old picture or a video won’t do.

The inquiring party receives a SnapChat on Sat., say, sometime between 10am and 2pm; the photo shows a particular type of sidewalk and/or a pond, with a caption saying something like, “Lucas is feeling so much better! Playing outside today!”

A few hours later, Lucas is reported missing from his home.

A scenario like that may explain why multiple parks would be searched, especially if the phone’s location service was disabled.

It may seem counterintuitive to reveal one’s location if they are trying to hide something, but one might also think a picture of a park will work better than, say, something showing the inside of the house, for its purpose. Or if there simply isnt enough time, one might just have to go with the park, rather than an alternative location; they had to be at the park to take care of something, and the picture was a secondary purpose.

But then it’s also possible that a photo would be sent to mislead the eventual searchers, in which case LE would have to look for other clues as to Lucas’ location ....

 

[onlyjamielynn]

I've been refreshing/keeping up with this thread all day.. Yet I can't figure out who JO is...

Plus I realise I can't exactly speak about it so apologies!

It is now posted on any of the Find Lucas Pages. It would be a post within the last hour or so. It would be a SS of JO's public post.

(Side note, I saw you byline about David Gibson...I'm semi local to that area and I've been following for months! I truly hope his family finds him!!)

 

[HayLouise]

It is now posted on any of the Find Lucas Pages. It would be a post within the last hour or so. It would be a SS of JO's public post.

(Side note, I saw you byline about David Gibson...I'm semi local to that area and I've been following for months! I truly hope his family finds him!!)

Thank you,

I'm not local at all, in fact from the UK... But I've followed his case from the beginning and still hope for good news everyday.

 

[Steelslady]

Welcome Texasbean )

:welcome5:




Oh shoot, somehow I missed this!! Sorry for the Kansas botany lesson lol.

I'm not ruling out any of those things just yet- those botanical references may very well tie in with that tip, and even possibly confirm there is something significant in one of those parks.

 

[sony12]

What bad things happen in parks?

Illegal drug buys

Illegal weapon buys

Persons looking for or selling sexual favors.

Adults or older teens, hanging out, watching vulnerable children who don’t have a responsible adult paying attention to keep the child from being snatched.

Food trucks maybe? Ice cream truck?

So let’s imagine that someone is stuck at home tending a baby but there is something that person wants in the park. She has bought it there before, so she sends the 5 yr old on a mission to get it.

Now, if this (imaginary) transaction happened while at the previous home and if the child road a bike (or borrowed someone else’s shoes cause he couldn’t find his), staying on a sidewalks where many people walk regularly, would that explain the lack of a strong scent trail from either house, days later?

All sorts of dangers can be found when a 5 yr old is left on his own.

Do we know if any searching of the nearby area by family or helpful or neighbors happened between 3 and 6, before police were called? As far as I’ve read, there is nothing to corroborate exactly when he was last seen.

Not sure about drugs or weapons sells but those things could happen there.

Never seen a Food Truck or Ice Cream Truck there. Food Trucks usually stay close to business areas so they can get a lot of people on their lunch breaks.

Generally when I have been there the adults with the small kids are usually very good about keeping an eye on them. Sure it could happen but I think many adults who wouldn't keep a good eye on the kid aren't taking them to parks to begin with.

A lot of the sexual activity that goes on at parks are people getting together off of dating sites or college kids meeting at parties. They like eachother enough to mess around a bit but don't necessarily want to go home/take them home just yet. So a park ends up being a happy medium. Infact on a lot of women's profiles on dating sites when they answer the question of what they like to do on a first date many of them will say taking a walk through the park.

 

[carbuff]

I'm thinking that either the 'SWAT tanks' are being used for searching off-road areas. Or there is a training or other event occurring that has nothing to do with Lucas' disappearance.

It would not be unusual to double up: if there was a training exercise scheduled, they mighg change their plan to assist with a search. The Air National Guard near us did that a while back to search for a missing hunter. It was really freaky with the big choppers swooping over our little patch of swamp and trees.

Also, those vehicles often contain specialized equipment like infrared and sonar scanners and communications technology. One of the reporters posted a photo of a Bearcat leaving Chisolm Park earlier.

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[MsJosie]

Not sure about drugs or weapons sells but those things could happen there.

Never seen a Food Truck or Ice Cream Truck there. Food Trucks usually stay close to business areas so they can get a lot of people on their lunch breaks.

Generally when I have been there the adults with the small kids are usually very good about keeping an eye on them. Sure it could happen but I think many adults who wouldn't keep a good eye on the kid aren't taking them to parks to begin with.

A lot of the sexual activity that goes on at parks are people getting together off of dating sites or college kids meeting at parties. They like eachother enough to mess around a bit but don't necessarily want to go home/take them home just yet. So a park ends up being a happy medium. Infact on a lot of women's profiles on dating sites when they answer the question of what they like to do on a first date many of them will say taking a walk through the park.

Yes, drugs and weapons are sold at parks. Lots of gang activity goes on at these parks. Food trucks are seen but usually when there is a party and they are invited to serve that party. This would be birthdays, weddings, etc.

Also parks are used for clubs such as fencing clubs, exercise groups, etc.

Son, an adult, has seen all this happen when he has attended weddings as late as last fall and when he was in a fencing group.

Yes, here in Wichita. Yes, at some of the parks searched.

 

[abr]

It is now posted on any of the Find Lucas Pages. It would be a post within the last hour or so. It would be a SS of JO's public post.

(Side note, I saw you byline about David Gibson...I'm semi local to that area and I've been following for months! I truly hope his family finds him!!)

She is the BM.

 

[Inthedetails]

That's why, as a rule, I NEVER visit Facebook pages related to missing people/crimes. It's just a personal pet peeve of mine but I cannot stomach those who engage in grief , faux outrage, witch hunting and spreading false or unsubstantiated rumors. I'm a strict facts man, I don't care if your mom's, best friend's, cousins, dog's, girlfriend three towns over told you they heard, saw, watched something, has it been verified by LE? No? Then stop discussing it until it becomes verified.

Reason 101 why I love WS.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Dad’s name is given in this article.

It's MSM. Directly quoting Lucas' great aunt. Showing Child protective services was contacted , with concerns of child abuse.
Now we have another missing child with circumstances that are so similar to most recent cases of missing children. Sherin Mathews, Mariah Woods.
Now Lucas Hernandez back to back.
Also hasn't slipped me noticing in each of these cases at least one of the persons last in charge of said children were 'sleeping' at time they went missing.

 

[onlyjamielynn]

She is the BM.

And just now JH put a posting up....

 

[Inthedetails]

Not sure about drugs or weapons sells but those things could happen there.

Never seen a Food Truck or Ice Cream Truck there. Food Trucks usually stay close to business areas so they can get a lot of people on their lunch breaks.

Generally when I have been there the adults with the small kids are usually very good about keeping an eye on them. Sure it could happen but I think many adults who wouldn't keep a good eye on the kid aren't taking them to parks to begin with.

A lot of the sexual activity that goes on at parks are people getting together off of dating sites or college kids meeting at parties. They like eachother enough to mess around a bit but don't necessarily want to go home/take them home just yet. So a park ends up being a happy medium. Infact on a lot of women's profiles on dating sites when they answer the question of what they like to do on a first date many of them will say taking a walk through the park.

I feel compelled to say that just because a woman says she enjoys a walk through a park as a first date does not mean she wants to "mess around" in the park. I'm not sure if you were implying that, but just had to say that "walking through the park" is not a code for "I will mess around in a park on a first date."

Signed,

Inthedetails, who likes walks in the park....pina coladas, getting caught in the rain

 

[LisaN2102]

Thank you Lisa. Absolutely. (Happy birthday btw - for whichever date yours falls on!) (Mine is today, (2/21) it looks as if my birthday wish for Lucas to be found has not come true just yet)

Happy Birthday. Mine is also today. 30 + 8 years experience


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[IHAVENOCLUE]

If I "lost" someone in a park on purpose though, I wouldn't make any passing references to the place, that's for sure. At least not on purpose. There's always those Freudian slips though!

perhaps a person shared the info of someone going to a park...

Yet the "someone" NEVER mentioned it to LE?

Ommittance?

Just a thought...:thinking:

 

[Inthedetails]

Is there LE presence in any of the parks today? It's sounding like the search has moved away from the parks and into "the streets" with the tanks and property searches (the shed).

How someone who knows where Lucas is can sit back and let LE search and search while a little boy is alone out there floors me. SAY SOMETHING. Lucas will be found and the details will be discovered.....so much better if the information is shared now rather than later.

jmo

 

[haven71]

perhaps a person shared the info of someone going to a park...

Yet the "someone" NEVER mentioned it to LE?

Ommittance?

Just a thought...:thinking:

Quite possible. In a later post I surmised "someone" may have withheld that info from police, after getting a tip from another person as well.

 

[Inthedetails]

Quite possible. In a later post I surmised "someone" may have withheld that info from police, after getting a tip from another person as well.

That's my line of thinking too....except haven't they stopped the park searches? False tip?

If we're feeling frustrated, imagine LE. Well, maybe they have coping skills....but not being able to find a little boy must weigh on them, especially since one vital piece of information could let them find him. Someone has that info and isn't telling, which is so cruel to so many people.

jmo

 

[sony12]

I feel compelled to say that just because a woman says she enjoys a walk through a park as a first date does not mean she wants to "mess around" in the park. I'm not sure if you were implying that, but just had to say that "walking through the park" is not a code for "I will mess around in a park on a first date."

Signed,

Inthedetails, who likes walks in the park....pina coladas, getting caught in the rain

I understand and I'm not saying it means that a 100% of the time either. Generally the two people play it by ear and if there is chemistry there and the person seems safe enough things will happen on occasion. There are two main rules to follow in these situations. And they are that no always means no. And stop always means stop. And also that just because some people may be willing to do a little bit doesn't mean they want to go all the way.

 

[Razz]

Those are Bearcats. They're a tactical vehicle for SWAT. SWAT arrives at the scene in these when police cars etc aren't safe (suspect with weapons that are going to fire long range or pierce a police car, etc). Sometimes a few arrive on scene to approach from different angles. They may be headed somewhere unrelated to Lucas, as it would be strange to be using them in this instance.

I agree. But someone mentioned school closings. Today? Doesn't sound like weather is bad enough to keep kids
home but if there is a big storm approaching, I can understand closings for tomorrow.

But my point is: there were 2,000 kids in my area that stayed home yesterday because of an implied threat of violence. It was deemed not credible and things are back to normal today but I'm sure LE is going to be ready, regardless. So maybe that's what's going on?!

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