Kyron's parents' statements, interviews

[liz b.]

I got to thinking, and I've never had an only child or a child whose siblings were not very close in age. My kids will egg each other on, and I am convinced that makes it easier for them to disobey (try to get away with something) or to do things that a single child may think of, but not do. Most of this stuff happened before they were teenagers, of course.

Yes ; I view this as a safety thing. To me it shows that the Hormans are careful parents. It would be concerning to me if Kyron had been known to wander around outside unsupervised while his parents were sleeping early in the morning. Not that the parents would be sleeping late ever, with an 18 month old in the house...

All JMO

 

[Snowball58]

Can someone explain to me why we can't have a theories/motives thread about SM?

Sorry the thread I started was not ok, but I see several player specific threads which are open - Kaine's work schedule, Terri's Facebook, etc. I understand that earlier SM threads were closed, which I think was for going off topic, but they weren't specifically related to what her motive would be.

There's a lot of suspicion surrounding the stepmom and I think it's relevant to have a thread open to brainstorm possible theories and motives for her possible involvement. May help keep some of the other threads from going astray.

I, for one, am very anxious to discuss her among the group, given the recent interview statements made by the bio-parents.

 

[ClueMeIn]

Mom lives HOURS away. SHE was hours away when her son went missing. Her husband was hours away when Kyron disappeared. There really IS no reason for LE to search her home! As long as she is willing to allow a search if LE ever decides they need to look there, it's not a biggie to me!

I believe LE is working diligently to be able to settle on a POI, they have surely made some sort of progress in this area, at least I pray so! But I don't know if I believe they actually have a firm POI in mind yet. I hope they do.

In my mind I think that if they didn't have a poi, they should have looked at all family members homes, not made a statement about this being an isolated incident, looked further than a 2 mile radius, etc.

 

[ClueMeIn]

They clearly have SOMEONE in mind. If not the SM, then someone else.

 

[ella971]

Hi seeking. I gave you the link to the presser in my post to which you responded. Here it is again. I would appreciate it if you would take a few minutes to listen, note the approx time in the video at which you hear LE say 'alive', and post the time for me so I can hear it too.

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Briefing-on-new-Kyron-flier-with-stepmom-96685544.html

After my post this morning, just for the heck of it, I listened again. He never says 'alive'.

Never says alive.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Re: Kyron being "dropped off" at school by TH.

I posted about this on another thread a few days ago because the expression "dropped off" seemed odd to me when we were led to believe that SM had accompanied Kyron into the building, helped him set up his science project, and taken photos of him with his dispay. If it were me, I would not have said "I dropped my child off"; I would have said that I "took my child to school" or something that indicated that I had not just driven up to the front of the building where my child got out of the car, then I drove away.

When other posters suggested that they would say "dropped off" even if they accompanied their child into the school, I realized that the expression may be common now because parents and their children are very mobile. Moms are probably much busier than I was as a SAHM and not always rushing to work or dozens of activities. After some thought, I guess the expression is a sign of the times, so I will embrace it until I learn otherwise in regard to Kyron's disappearance. jmo

 

[kgeaux]

BeanE, thanks so much for the kind reply.

I DID forget that Kaine wrote this in the early email.

I didn't realize that the "ALIVE" was in question: So many threads and I thought it was settled that people heard this. I know I did.

Then, when The Huffington Post article speaking to this was used here a WS, I just assumed it was common knowledge. Could it be that, once the press conference was transcribed, the LE's last statement, or the last word (alive) was left off? I immediately got the impression that the officer deeply regretted saying "alive."

I will look for the link to the Skyline School presser, the day they spoke to the flyer going out and named Terri as the last person to see Kyron.

I watched that same presser, and I did not hear this being said. I've only seen the information passed on without quote marks; something along the lines of LE says SM was the last person to see Kyron alive. No mention of which LE official said such a thing, and not backed up by the videos hosted on the same exact webpage as the comment!

Hi seeking. I gave you the link to the presser in my post to which you responded. Here it is again. I would appreciate it if you would take a few minutes to listen, note the approx time in the video at which you hear LE say 'alive', and post the time for me so I can hear it too.

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Briefing-on-new-Kyron-flier-with-stepmom-96685544.html

After my post this morning, just for the heck of it, I listened again. He never says 'alive'.

I didn't hear it either, BeanE. I've always assumed that people were quoting from an article which did say something very similar to what I posted above. Since the info in the written article was not attributed or quoted from any particular law enforcement official, I discounted it immediately. Especially since it wasn't in the video of the presser!

Something Kaine said keeps popping in my mind about Kyron having problems following directions and listening,etc.Kaine said they've worked very hard with him on this.I'm wondering how strict they were on him in this,it sounded as if there were disciple issues and how did they work with him on it?Did he do something while in the classroom after the photo was taken of his exhibit that the SM took him out to talk to him about and correct him?

Zimmerman said the last she saw them was at 8:15 after the photo was taken.The stepmom said she left him in the hall at 8:45,but how could this be when the kids were being seperated by 4 to 5 kids from the classroom?So where would they be in that half an hour,if not being part of the class divided up?

Wow.

SM is a teacher. Daddy is a well educated man who appears to be rather calm and rational. Rather than disciplining Kyron about his trouble listening, she may have looked at this as an "educational opportunity." Teachers are very oriented toward imparting skills, at least in my life they have been!

My own mother was a teacher, and I know I was never treated badly for problems I encountered in school. She just sat me down and worked with me so that I could develop the skills I needed.

What has bothered me about the dad's statement is that if Kyron was being actively worked with to improve his listening skills, and was being taught to listen carefully and obediently to teachers and parents, then any parent in that school that day may have been seen as an authority figure to him. If someone else's parent said "come here" he may well have listened and obeyed.

I've got to tell you, I never once saw this as a discipline issue. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that I never saw it that way.

Wanted to point out that we do not know if Kyron was part of a group or not. That information has not been released.

 

[winterrose]

From the interviews and hearing there was an issue about Kyron's behavior in the classroom,was he told if he couldn't behave,he wouldn't be in the talentshow?And something happened after he was taken from the school,an accident,but none the less we have found out from these interviews there were classroom problems.Noone has said they witnessed Kyron in the school after Zimmerman said she saw them at 8:15.I believe this is why they want to know if the truck was seen at the school from 9am till 4pm.Did she state to LE she brought him back to school after leaving at 8:15 and dropped him off in the hall? LE is looking to see if there are any witness to her truck being at the school at anytime to drop him back off,to corroborate her story?

 

[winterrose]

Re: Kyron being "dropped off" at school by TH.

I posted about this on another thread a few days ago because the expression "dropped off" seemed odd to me when we were led to believe that SM had accompanied Kyron into the building, helped him set up his science project, and taken photos of him with his dispay. If it were me, I would not have said "I dropped my child off"; I would have said that I "took my child to school" or something that indicated that I had not just driven up to the front of the building where my child got out of the car, then I drove away.

When other posters suggested that they would say "dropped off" even if they accompanied their child into the school, I realized that the expression may be common now because parents and their children are very mobile. Moms are probably much busier than I was as a SAHM and not always rushing to work or dozens of activities. After some thought, I guess the expression is a sign of the times, so I will embrace it until I learn otherwise in regard to Kyron's disappearance. jmo

Which is another reason why I think she's saying he was "dropped off" after she had been there and left with him.

 

[trigger]

It's not in the Fox interview either. Are you sure that's what you heard? I'd really like to see and hear that.

I remember her saying they can search her home if they need to. We thought they were referring to KH home was not searched but LE could if they needed to but we had to listen to it again ...we realized she said they haven't searched her home (Desirees home).... Does that make sense.

 

[kgeaux]

In my mind I think that if they didn't have a poi, they should have looked at all family members homes, not made a statement about this being an isolated incident, looked further than a 2 mile radius, etc.

They clearly have SOMEONE in mind. If not the SM, then someone else.

Love your hat, ClueMeIn! I wish I would have thought of that!

IMO, LE began to investigate from the inside out, which is SOP. Kyron was last seen at the school, so the investigation began there.

I believe that simultaneously to this (and this is just based on my observation of LE and how they operate) they diligently examined SM's statements, and also checked out the alibies of all three of Kyron's other parents, teachers, parents who were in the school that morning, etc. We haven't heard LE say they've ruled anyone out, but I do believe that many people were ruled out when their alibies were checked out and confirmed.

IF LE followed this normal SOP, then Kyron's biological mother and his step-father's home may not have been checked out simply because it is known to LE that they were no where near the area when the child disappeared.

I hope you are correct in your opinion that LE has a POI in mind, and I hope they are able to find Kyron and hold the person responsible for his disappearance to the bright flame of justice.

 

[GrainneDhu]

To play devils advocate for a minute...

I have a 6 year old who had a talent show at school this year. She entered an art piece (and WON the show, incidentally :dance

Anyway, I was working, did not attend-did not think I needed to attend because she was not performing.

She came home with a gift card for her art win and another little ribbon. When I asked what the ribbon was for she said her class had done a song and dance routine at the show as a group and they won third place.

..I had no idea about this, I certainly would have taken off work had I known

So maybe Kyrons performance was something with the whole class that they might have been thinking about doing but weren't 100% sure about or whatever.

Just thinking out loud.

(ETA: and yes, I did feel like an a$$ when I wasn't there for the awards ceremony after she won. )

We know that Skyline School was aware of and considering the needs of working parents. They opened the school building early that Friday so that working parents could see their child's exhibit.

A school that is thinking about the needs of working parents then schedules a talent show on the same day? That would mean that parents would come in the morning, then have to come back at 1 pm. That pretty much shoots the afternoon.

Huh. That's not so sensitive to the needs of working parents. If, that is, parents were invited to the talent show.

Over the years, my nephews' schools have had talent shows. I've attended some of them but others were for students only and families were not invited to attend.

Considering what is known about Skyline School, I think it is a fair inference that the talent show wasn't intended to be a family affair.

 

[Pensfan]

Something Kaine said keeps popping in my mind about Kyron having problems following directions and listening,etc.Kaine said they've worked very hard with him on this.I'm wondering how strict they were on him in this,it sounded as if there were disciple issues and how did they work with him on it?Did he do something while in the classroom after the photo was taken of his exhibit that the SM took him out to talk to him about and correct him?

Zimmerman said the last she saw them was at 8:15 after the photo was taken.The stepmom said she left him in the hall at 8:45,but how could this be when the kids were being seperated by 4 to 5 kids from the classroom?So where would they be in that half an hour,if not being part of the class divided up?

BBM
Since Kyron was known for having problems with following directions, I wished that SM had walked him to his classroom door. Most parents with children who have difficulty following directions know that their child has to be carefully watched. I have a child (now and adult) that had difficulty following directions and when he was little, he needed adult supervision every second.

 

[SurfieTX]

"Considering what is known about Skyline School, I think it is a fair inference that the talent show wasn't intended to be a family affair."

I disagree. At our elementary schools, the talent show my 5th grader was in this year was held on 2 days...one was an evening performance for parents and one was during school hours a few days later wherein they performed for the whole student body.

 

[CCup]

Since Kyron was known for not being great at following directions, I wished that SM had walked him to his classroom door. Most parents with children who have difficulty following directions know that their child has to be carefully watched. I have a child (now and adult) that had difficulty following directions and when he was little, he needed adult supervision
every second.

I don't feel like they meant that their comment about Kyron's non-listening to be that he was not a good listener. I think people are reading into what they said. I got the impression that due to his shyness he had tended to not listen to certain people. I think he listened just fine to his parents and step-parents, teachers and other people be wasused to. My son is shy and when it comes to new people he tends to back away from them and ignore them and I think that is what they were trying to say about Kyron. Hence that he wouldn't understand Stranger Danger is school because they have told him if so and so's mom is your group leader you need to listen to her. Or is so and so's grandpa is your chaperone you need to talk to him and listen to him. He is not a stranger, he is so and so's granpa...just like yoru grandpa.

 

[winterrose]

BBM
Since Kyron was known for having problems with following directions, I wished that SM had walked him to his classroom door. Most parents with children who have difficulty following directions know that their child has to be carefully watched. I have a child (now and adult) that had difficulty following directions and when he was little, he needed adult supervision every second.

Which is why it wouldn't make sense for her to leave him 150 feet,a half a football field,from the classroom door.If she had left at 8:15,she would have left him in the class,why would she walk him to the stairs and leave him there,since Kaine said they've been working really hard with Kyron in following directions?And why are they looking to see if the truck was at that school at any time during the hours of 9am and 4pm?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

"Considering what is known about Skyline School, I think it is a fair inference that the talent show wasn't intended to be a family affair."

I disagree. At our elementary schools, the talent show my 5th grader was in this year was held on 2 days...one was an evening performance for parents and one was during school hours a few days later wherein they performed for the whole student body.

There hasn't been any indication that there would have been an evening performance for parents. The marquee announced the daytime Talent Show that was taking place during school hours. Perhaps we will learn the details about the talent show further along in the investigation, but at this time, all that is known is that the Talent Show was on Friday, June 4, in the afternoon.

 

[Wendy101]

can someone tell me what Kaine said about the talent show? Was he implying he was unaware of it??? Sorry, but too many tapes to go find it..

Thanks

 

[carole]

I don't feel like they meant that their comment about Kyron's non-listening to be that he was not a good listener. I think people are reading into what they said. I got the impression that due to his shyness he had tended to not listen to certain people. I think he listened just fine to his parents and step-parents, teachers and other people be wasused to. My son is shy and when it comes to new people he tends to back away from them and ignore them and I think that is what they were trying to say about Kyron. Hence that he wouldn't understand Stranger Danger is school because they have told him if so and so's mom is your group leader you need to listen to her. Or is so and so's grandpa is your chaperone you need to talk to him and listen to him. He is not a stranger, he is so and so's granpa...just like yoru grandpa.

This gives me chills. His parents had stressed that Kyron should obey adults who were in the school. So it might be easier for a stranger to take Kyron because his parents had stressed that he must obey the adults at the school.

 

[RubyRed]

can someone tell me what Kaine said about the talent show? Was he implying he was unaware of it??? Sorry, but too many tapes to go find it..

Thanks

From the talent show thread.

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