LA - Vehicle drives through New Year's crowd - Multiple fatalities reported - Bourbon Street New Orleans - January 1 2025

[indicolite22]

Using an unusual substance might even prove helpful in pinpointing his contacts or sources of inspiration.

 

[Charlot123]

Oh that's interesting. So there is no familial connection to the ME.
I know it really doesn't matter, but I think it takes more effort to become exposed to radical ideas.

Think of this. He had eight volumes of religious books. I take it, they were in Arabic?

Arabic is super difficult to learn. If he taught himself, first, he must have been bright, second, he had to train online. From there to some websites is easy. I think it would be the natural way. I think that the imams living here are NOT radicalizing people, far from it. They have a good life in a good country, they would push their members to achieve. But with the state of the borders, some people who come across make me shiver. The combination of poor education, high religiosity and already pre-existing group... they take the books too literally, that's the problem. IMHO, Jabbar, who was, it seems, isolated, might have joined such a group here for the company, not realizing that by education or general intelligence, they were far below him.

 

[Friday Fan]

Theoretically, it is unsafe to smuggle in explosives. Components of explosives to be combined with something on the spot can be smuggled in. But honestly, JMO, homemade recipes might be posted in many places. Maybe they are unusual for this country, but nothing super-fancy. The fact "never used in America or Europe" is more telling. I hope it rules out nukes, because a bomb was detonated in Nevada and before, Fermi's reactor burst up accidentally. If not nukes and nor Europe/US, it surely limits the options.

I wonder if anyone has sent something radioactive on a plane?
I believe they scan/xray luggage that goes in the cargo hold.

 

[Charlot123]

Using an unusual substance might even prove helpful in pinpointing his contacts or sources of inspiration.

For contacts, I'd look for Muslims from poor countries, not necessarily ME, who came here since 2022 as refugees or just crossed the border. Not too educated but having an established community.

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if anyone has sent something radioactive on a plane?
I believe they scan/xray luggage that goes in the cargo hold.

I Googled "biological warfare." That has definitely been explored, and used in Asia, although not in Islamic countries. I may be slightly overfocused on it because of RFK Jr. Maybe a fluke.

 

[Teche]

I don’t know if you are referring to the second line band/s? It doesn’t take resources for that. It’s done by the people of New Orleans. You have to understand the people of New Orleans to know that it isn’t disrespectful. imo

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The second line bands are strictly volunteers. The musicians, dancers, and costumes are a beautiful tradition. They are held to honor and memorialize events and/or people. It is not disrespectful in the least bit. One has to experience the beauty and culture of New Orleans to understand.
BayouBelle knows.

 

[indicolite22]

For contacts, I'd look for Muslims from poor countries, not necessarily ME, who came here since 2022 as refugees or just crossed the border. Not too educated but having an established community.

As for his influences, I read that he followed 25 accounts of Salafi Islamic broadcasters from the US, UK and Canada on Soundcloud. Salafis are reportedly orthodox Muslims.

His Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/shamsud-din-jabbar

 

[Sundog]

Think of this. He had eight volumes of religious books. I take it, they were in Arabic?

Arabic is super difficult to learn. If he taught himself, first, he must have been bright, second, he had to train online. From there to some websites is easy. I think it would be the natural way. I think that the imams living here are NOT radicalizing people, far from it. They have a good life in a good country, they would push their members to achieve. But with the state of the borders, some people who come across make me shiver. The combination of poor education, high religiosity and already pre-existing group... they take the books too literally, that's the problem. IMHO, Jabbar, who was, it seems, isolated, might have joined such a group here for the company, not realizing that by education or general intelligence, they were far below him.

From the photos in his home that were released by MSM, it looked like he was using an interlinear publication of the Quran, so there would be both the Arabic original along with an English translation on each page.

Interlinears are common for religious and other texts for those who don't have expertise in the original language (often ancient and include Arabic, Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin, etc.) but want to compare an English or other language translation with the original text.

 

[indicolite22]

According to NYT, he moved to a Muslim neighborhood in Houston, but did not attend religious services there.

‘I Joined ISIS’: The New Orleans Attacker’s Secret Radicalization

Recordings and interviews detail Shamsud-Din Jabbar’s growing discontent with American society and increasing isolation even within his local Muslim community.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Teche]

FBI finds bomb making chemicals at New Orleans terrorist’s home in Houston • Louisiana Illuminator

“Precursor chemicals” for homemade bombs were found at the mobile home of terrorist Shamsud-Din Jabbar’s home in Houston, according to the FBI.

lailluminator.com

BBM.

Wow! Why wasn't the home not secured and guarded until the investigation’s complete?

 

[nightowl1975]

I think some just want to find something to blame other than the terrorist.

I don’t think that’s the primary reason people focus on things like the bollards in mass casualty events. The human brain tends to focus on the things we ARE able to control, so that if we do xyz or don’t do xyz, this won’t happen to us.

We can’t control someone wanting to murder people. But perhaps if we erect enough barriers, this won’t happen in this particular area again. It gives us a sense of control.

 

[indicolite22]

In reference to him wanting to kill his family:

He told his family that he had first wanted to organize a “celebration” for them and make everyone “witness the killing of the apostates,” an apparent reference to killing them.

It seems that he wanted to murder them because they were non-believers.

New Orleans assailant said in videos to his family that he considered killing them before conducting attack

Experts said the details that have emerged about Shamsud-Din Jabbar, 42, align with the typical pattern of how a veteran can be radicalized to violence.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[indicolite22]

Another source, quoting his brother, claims that the father is Muslim:

Abdur-Rahim Jabbar shared that their father was Muslim and Shamsud-Din Jabbar’s mother, who was Christian, converted when they married. Jabbar was open about his Muslim faith but didn’t discuss it in a forceful way.

The perp's stance on Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

The two rarely talked about religion, he said, though they did discuss the war in Gaza last year. Jabbar expressed being upset about the situation, calling it “genocide on both sides.”

New Orleans assailant said in videos to his family that he considered killing them before conducting attack

Experts said the details that have emerged about Shamsud-Din Jabbar, 42, align with the typical pattern of how a veteran can be radicalized to violence.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[ekardh]

We cannot control the actions of others, and it takes decades to implement changes that improve our society. In the meantime, it’s a disgrace to not utilize every resource you have available to protect your citizens from the rogue terrorists in the world. That’s why the media is focusing on this.

Except that the changes are never highlighted, never implemented, and we're just supposed to become desensitized and tolerable of terrorists slaughtering civilians in the street.

 

[Charlot123]

As for his influences, I read that he followed 25 accounts of Salafi Islamic broadcasters from the US, UK and Canada on Soundcloud. Salafis are reportedly orthodox Muslims.

His Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/shamsud-din-jabbar

I think that anyone who is not quite stable to start with, listening to "Satan's voice" alone in the house, might get bonkers.

 

[Charlot123]

I don’t think that’s the primary reason people focus on things like the bollards in mass casualty events. The human brain tends to focus on the things we ARE able to control, so that if we do xyz or don’t do xyz, this won’t happen to us.

We can’t control someone wanting to murder people. But perhaps if we erect enough barriers, this won’t happen in this particular area again. It gives us a sense of control.

Just a thought..here is an obvious parallel between the two cases. The army takes good care of its recruits and mostly, people who are not inwardly organized, like the predictability and structure. Waking up at the same time, morning routine, knowing what's for breakfast. They are at risk if they are deployed in an unsafe areas, but even there, they are taken care of, as much as it can be done. Mostly, lots of decisions are made for them.
Then they retire and have to start taking decisions on their own. That's where a very dangerous period starts. It is a hard transition for those who are not super mature. Drinking, drugs, divorces or hasty marriages, being the oldest students in colleges. There are some companies that hire vets, which is great. But maybe they need psychological counseling not for PTSD, but rather, to teach them decision-making on their own? It is a skill. Otherwise they'd be looking for a support group and God knows what they'd find.

 

[justtrish]

For contacts, I'd look for Muslims from poor countries, not necessarily ME, who came here since 2022 as refugees or just crossed the border. Not too educated but having an established community.

I was living near the Texas border last year and while I was living there the border patrol caught a guy that had something to do with bomb making. He was trying to sneak in and he admitted to wanting to make a bomb. I know these bad guys sneak in because there are places along the border to get in and border patrol is good, but they don't get 100% of those sneaking in.

The issue is when someone isn't known to be in the United States, they can't really be tracked then can they? If there are known terrorists on watch lists and they sneak in, then there is no stopping them before they board a plane or there is no watching them if they are already in the US because we have no record of them being here.

The only reason I am mentioning this is he got the knowledge from somewhere about how to make these IEDs with ingredients that haven't been seen before in those used in the US and Europe. This is one example of someone they stopped that admitted to wanting to make a bomb.. a known member of a terrorist group. I have no doubt there are others that have made it in and who knows where they could be or who they are recruiting and providing information to. It would be hard to track if we don't know they are here. I think one way we track some people who go overseas to train in these terrorist camps and then come back to the US is we have a record of them leaving and coming back. They can sorta piece together their movements, but if the way they are being trained is right in the US by people "we" may not know are here, then how do they track that?

Man claiming to be Hezbollah bomb maker was stopped at southern border, official says

The man is in U.S. custody and there is an active investigation into his claims, the official said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[zann999]

GRT, take it from a person who has been in (I counted now - 36 countries), it becomes cheap. First, just before or after the season is cheap. Some layovers up to 3 or even 6 days cost nothing. (And the season is not always the best time of the year, the touristy season in Greece is hot, for example). Also, in many places, US three-star hotels equal four-stars and four -starts equal 4.5 i think. You acquire miles everywhere. A good example, from the same Greece: a dinner in a hotel overlooking a moonlit Acropolis is very expensive...well, you need it once in a lifetime, but the next days, follow the Greeks, and you'll end in family-owned restaurants, Greek food, local musicians and people dancing, all cheap. In fact, "follow the locals" ends up much cheaper. He probably did that in Europe. I would think that sitting at home, reading religious books and thinking ends up worse than traveling because in travels, you are constantly distracted by people. Egypt we haven't been to because of this war, but India was cheap and Taiwan is a poorly-known but great destination.

I would say that as a single guy living in Lousiana and earning 120K a year, he could do very well. His marriages and kids were the biggest drainer. But I doubt that anyone paid him. Rather, he put himself in a situation when he ended up living in a slum. My guess: he was shy and overpaid for smiles and hospitality.

As to the type, I think Mohammed Atta's types are very prone to being brainwashed and used by someone. Jabbar appears like this. His father is a super-devout Christian, he ended a super-devout Muslim, small surprise. It is what people extract from the religion, not the religion itself.

I have a slight suspicion that people who are more prone to hypnosis might be easier brainwashed, but not sure if there are studies proving it.

Hello! I don’t post often but thought I would add my 2 cents in. I traveled to Egypt for a couple weeks in Oct 2023 (was there when they started bombing ) anyway our US dollar is SOOO strong compared to Egyptian pound.

Just to give an example that I extended my stay and stayed at a 5 star resort on Red Sea with my room facing Red Sea all meals and all drinks included for $58 USD!

I was on a vacation including cruising down Nile, domestic flights all meals and excursions included for far cheaper than a US vacation for a week. I can only imagine how cheap it was just to stay in a flat there. Also areas of Cairo are extremely poor and you can haggle prices down to nothing. With exception to the cost of an international flight the trip could cost peanuts in all seriousness. Omo

 

[Charlot123]

Hello! I don’t post often but thought I would add my 2 cents in. I traveled to Egypt for a couple weeks in Oct 2023 (was there when they started bombing ) anyway our US dollar is SOOO strong compared to Egyptian pound.

Just to give an example that I extended my stay and stayed at a 5 star resort on Red Sea with my room facing Red Sea all meals and all drinks included for $58 USD!

I was on a vacation including cruising down Nile, domestic flights all meals and excursions included for far cheaper than a US vacation for a week. I can only imagine how cheap it was just to stay in a flat there. Also areas of Cairo are extremely poor and you can haggle prices down to nothing. With exception to the cost of an international flight the trip could cost peanuts in all seriousness. Omo

Thank you! If we decide to travel to Egypt, i may DM you! Although, our friends are going to Egypt now.

Also, in countries like Taiwan or India, there are very few European/US tourists. These places depend on tourism, they super want to accommodate.

 

[CHEL]

Family identifies final Bourbon Street terror attack victim

Family confirms that Latasha Polk, 47, was killed when the suspect plowed through Bourbon Street crowds, firing shots before a New Orleans Police Department officer shot and killed him.

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