LA - Vehicle drives through New Year's crowd - Multiple fatalities reported - Bourbon Street New Orleans - January 1 2025

[azure]

Many mass killers are at least partially motivated by anger at women. We know that one of the killer's ex wives said he was abusive and that he initially intended to murder his family. I think we will find that anger towards his ex wife/wives is a factor in this case.

A Common Trait Among Mass Killers: Hatred Toward Women (Published 2019)

Misogyny and mass shootings in the United States are closely intertwined.

www.nytimes.com

(Note this article focuses on mass shooters, but given that the killer had an automatic weapon, I think these facts still apply.)

"The motivations of men who commit mass shootings are often muddled, complex or unknown. But one common thread that connects many of them — other than access to powerful firearms — is a history of hating women, assaulting wives, girlfriends and female family members, or sharing misogynistic views online, researchers say."

 

[KonaHonu]

Believe it or not but it's precisely how radicalization unravels in most cases. Very rarely the faith is the principal motive behind terrorist acts and very often it's none at all. You fail, you loose the sense of belonging and self-worth, you start to blame others for your own failures in life, start to feel resentment towards other people and institutions etc.

And radical movements like radical Islam know perfectly well how to work out such a person. They offer them explanations which make them feel important and part of something meaningful again. And they acknowledge their resentment but with a different spin - that's why it's much easier to work with people with some identities (especially historically wronged identities).

For e.g.: you're a Muslim? that's why it happened to you, they only pretend they are tolerant, in reality they were looking down at you the whole time but you were blind (think for a moment, I'm sure you can find some examples you were in doubt). Look what they have done in The Middle East, it goes like that for centuries with The West . And here is some (possibly fake) fragment from scripture. No, you don't need to be true believer, but it's your culture, your real roots.

And here is a picture of children massacred in Gaza Strip. Look at it. And ask yourself what the West is doing about that? It supplies bombs! Do you still believe they see you as their equal? Do you? Do you see now? They all are to blame! etc.

It's not done in one day. It's not like - here you've got a car and now go and kill a lot of innocent people. It's a process which takes years. It's akin to brainwashing.

In this case the attacker had huge difficulties to transition into civilian life after years of military service. Yes, he had worked in administration (IT) but nevertheless it gave him a sense of identity and belonging, which he lost. He complained about bureaucracy in institutions which should help veterans to find their way on the market. He couldn't make ends meet. He divorced! He had some brushes with the law. He was obviously weak, egocentric, envious and at the same time - gullible person. We can see how such a person can become radicalized.

So I am all for freely practicing religion. But I find it hard to believe that this radicalization is happening without the knowledge of a wider group who know what is happening but not saying anything. I'm not Muslim but could a group of radicalizers really operate in a mosque without the imam's knowledge? I'm certainly not trying to cast blame. I would say the same thing about the catholic priests in Ireland and the IRA back in the day. We treat things with kid gloves here to the point that we never break down the terrorist cells operating here. Perhaps this one will change things!

 

[Kapua]

Why go from TX to Bourbon Street?
This was a very specific location..

From your post: how he had at first planned

Am I understanding that he states he planned to gather his family (Plan #1)
but
instead decided to drive across state lines for hours and mass murder strangers. (Plan #2)

There is a recent case where someone has a Plan 1 (bomb) but it would kill too many so he justified to himself a Plan 2 (execute a CEO)

My question is how did he know that there would be insufficient barriers blocking off Bourbon Street? Maybe he didn't know and he just took advantage of the opportunity. Maybe the bomb was his Plan #2 and the mass murder by vehicle was improvised. MOO

 

[airportwoman]

Maybe this link has been posted, but here's a story about his adult life from MSN.

Also, I saw footage on my local news of a second man being taken into custody. He appeared to be about 30 years old, a skinny guy wearing nothing but shorts and walking backwards towards a tank with camouflage-clad officers on it. The initial reports of accomplices placing bombs appeared to be unfounded.

I also heard that part of north Houston was being made a temporary no-fly zone, probably to keep drones out of his neighborhood, but I did see, on flightradar24.com, a helicopter circling a neighborhood in the southwestern suburb of Bellaire. When I checked again later this evening, it was gone.

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[airportwoman]

IMHO, the late night meant he could get easier access to the street and rev to his target speed. More people would mean less opportunity to go further. I think he calculated the optimal damage time. Late night drinkers in bars are less aware and alert for the most part bc they are partying and hanging out as well.

Plus, electric vehicles are very quiet compared to gas-powered ones. They may not have heard him coming at all.

 

[airportwoman]

I don't know the details of the restraining order against Jabbar but in many jurisdictions TROs are automatically placed on both parties when a divorce is filed. So simply having a TRO would not indicate any kind of threat. Also, a TRO is essentially an ex-parte action based solely on one party's claims. It is not a conviction so it would not be grounds for failing a federal background check.

Correct, even in low-conflict divorces, so people can't do things like hide assets. (Temporary restraining order). A protection order is done if anyone thinks they may be in danger.

Thankfully, I have no personal experience with this.

 

[red carpet fiber]

Plus, electric vehicles are very quiet compared to gas-powered ones. They may not have heard him coming at all.

Especially if they were drunk, which I'm sure most of them were given the time and place. Just terrible. Like in the Las Vegas casino shooting, so many people were drunk at the concert which made them slower to react and/or less situational awareness (in an already very confusing situation).
This is in no way victim blaming, I'm just saying being intoxicated makes people even more vulnerable to evil acts of violent predation.

 

[katydid23]

I went to Boston on the 4th of July a few years ago specifically to see the firework display. I was acutely aware that the event is a prime target for terrorism - large crowd, patriotic event. But I went anyway because it was a life experience.

What I was amazed about was how thoroughly they blocked the streets for several blocks. They had used all the snowplows to block the streets in several layers to the point we had to walk single file past choke points every block. Police, fire, and EMS were pre-deployed inside the security zone with some of the firetrucks already hooked up to hydrants and their water cannons ready. It was really impressive.

The security NO had in place last night was pathetic by comparison!

To be fair to Nola, Boston had already experienced the terrorist attack on the Boston Marathon. There was no diligence towards security before that tragedy occurred. Now they have learned that harsh lesson.

 

[katydid23]

Actually Hawley didn't delete it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1874517876473782323

I will wait for more to come out during the investigation to determine his motive. I know he's an American citizen. HS does investigate terrorism - Terrorism and National Security Threats | Homeland Security

 

[katydid23]

Why "hours and hours" away? Wouldn't getting this approval (I'm assuming a judge to approve the search warrant?) be an absolute top priority right now?

I think they might take hours to clear it using a bomb squad first ?:

 

[airportwoman]

Here's the footage of the other man being taken into custody. He was wearing sweat pants, not shorts.

 

[katydid23]

what does that mean about the lock code? does it mean he wouldn't have needed keys so could just rent online never having met the owner who was renting it out? I'm not familiar with new electric trucks or private rentals

I think they could use a code to lock/unlock---then the keys fob could be hidden in console or glove box?

 

[katydid23]

Seems they probably shut down his facebook before releasing his name publicy. Otherwise the incendiary threatening content he posted would've been archived or at least discussed somewhere, and I haven't seen that.

I'm thankful they locked his FB down immediately. The last thing we need is a bunch of knuckleheads seeing those ISIS tributes online and then acting like copycats.

 

[KonaHonu]

Correct, even in low-conflict divorces, so people can't do things like hide assets. (Temporary restraining order). A protection order is done if anyone thinks they may be in danger.

Thankfully, I have no personal experience with this.

I do. And in my situation my wife filed for divorce although it was not unexpected or unwanted. We both got restraining orders automatically. This is likely the case for anyone who has gotten a divorce in the last 25 years or so even if they are not aware of it!

But as my lawyer told me, although they were public record, it was illegal for anyone to ask about them or to discriminate based on them...think employment and federal background checks, in my case for security clearance but also for firearms. Basically, if you don't bother your estranged spouse, they are meaningless. But in Jabbar's situation we're scrutinizing his because he killed a bunch of people.

 

[KonaHonu]

I’m saddened and frustrated that the murderer could drive around the police cars and harm people. I am a Las Vegas local and for our NYE celebration, fire trucks and bollards block all entry. There would be no way you drive onto the Strip with a vehicle. Of course, there are many other terrible ways to terrorize and harm people, but this way would not be possible.

JMO

I'm at the point in my life where I'm checking off bucket list experiences. I mentioned Fourth of July in Boston a few years ago. We just got home from a visit to Europe to see several Christmas Markets which have been targets, even very recently. New Years in Times Square is on my list.

But I do pay attention to security measures and could back away at any point if I felt unsafe. We actually got into a bad situation in Paris a few years ago at Bastille Day but got through it.

I'd rather live my life with a little risk than in fear but that's a personal choice.

Terrorism is about creating fear/terror in people. I refuse to give into it by not being afraid. But that means avoiding terrorism hotspots and being careful even at places in the US including being mindful of their security.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1874708777645293793

 

[whitelilac]

Here's the footage of the other man being taken into custody. He was wearing sweat pants, not shorts.

We still don't know who this man is.
Authorities are not disclosing that.
Is it possible he is Jabbar's son? That he lives in that home and needs to be questioned? Not saying who he is may be protecting him because he's not a suspect or involved?
We know Jabbar has two daughters from the second marriage (I believe) but did he have a kid from his first marriage?

"The suspect's love life was scattered - having been married twice. His first marriage ended in 2012, and his second in 2022.
Marsh (second wife's new husband) said Jabbar had two daughters, one a teenager and one a young adult"

Who is Shamsud Din Jabbar? The man behind the New Orleans attack

The man 'hellbent on creating carnage' plowing into pedestrians celebrating the New Year in New Orleans has been identified as 42-year-old Shamsud Din Jabbar.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[branmuffin]

I'm really wondering whether the whole ISIS aspect of this massacre is just window dressing. I'm thinking of the timelines in this man's life and how being Muslim may have formed his trajectory over decades. He graduated high school in 2001. So I presume that was pre 9/11. He may have had a fairly easy time up until that event; he was just a school mate with a weird cool name; the same as a famous basketball player. But after 9/11 I'm sure he started to feel the animosity that started to build toward Muslims after that event. And hasn't really left. People were getting killed just because someone thought they were Muslim. I remember a couple of Sikhs were murdered in California shortly after 9/11 because the perp mistakenly took their turbans for keffiyehs.

So Jabbar went to college, got a degree, joined the military, was honorably discharged, got married and had kids. Normal stuff. He probably led a fairly normal life until the marriage dissolved. He got divorced from his first wife which probably meant he had to pay either alimony and/or child support. Even after his first wife remarried, he'd still be required to pay child support. He gets married again, has more kids and this marriage doesn't work out either. Divorced again. He's working but he isn't going anywhere financially, drowning in debt from the court cases, the child support, one of his business fails, another one fails and saddles him with massive debt.

At this point in time, some people in similar situations decide to take the easy way out and off themselves while some people start to feel anger and frustration over their lot in life and start focusing on retribution. Everyone is against him. No matter what he does he's no further ahead, he stews about the injustice of it all and how he's doesn't get a break. He's starts to unravel and creates tension with his first wife and kids, so much so, the new husband forbids him to see his older kids because he fears what Jabbar is capable of.

At this point in time he can't contain his anger. He needs a release. Someone who will commiserate with him, someone who nurtures his anger and retribution, and what better place to do it but online. Bitching about and the breakdown of the family, the lack of respect, the court system's emasculation of a man, the whole system against him.

He was going to do what many men who've been in the same boat have done; acrimonious divorce, mounting debt, being denied access to his children. He was going to kill them all. Easy, peasy. But somewhere along that timeline he didn't just see his exes, and the courts, and his destitution as the problem, he saw a greater issue. It was all because of his faith. And it probably pissed him off even more because he didn't really practice it at all. So he decides he's going out with a bang. He's dressing up his hatred for his financial woes and his failure as a husband and father as a hatred for America. And what better way to get back at America but strike them in way that will cause the same kind of despair, fear and anger that he has felt. And here we are.

 

[Furore]

I'm really wondering whether the whole ISIS aspect of this massacre is just window dressing. I'm thinking of the timelines in this man's life and how being Muslim may have formed his trajectory over decades. He graduated high school in 2001. So I presume that was pre 9/11. He may have had a fairly easy time up until that event; he was just a school mate with a weird cool name; the same as a famous basketball player. But after 9/11 I'm sure he started to feel the animosity that started to build toward Muslims after that event. And hasn't really left. People were getting killed just because someone thought they were Muslim. I remember a couple of Sikhs were murdered in California shortly after 9/11 because the perp mistakenly took their turbans for keffiyehs.

So Jabbar went to college, got a degree, joined the military, was honorably discharged, got married and had kids. Normal stuff. He probably led a fairly normal life until the marriage dissolved. He got divorced from his first wife which probably meant he had to pay either alimony and/or child support. Even after his first wife remarried, he'd still be required to pay child support. He gets married again, has more kids and this marriage doesn't work out either. Divorced again. He's working but he isn't going anywhere financially, drowning in debt from the court cases, the child support, one of his business fails, another one fails and saddles him with massive debt.

At this point in time, some people in similar situations decide to take the easy way out and off themselves while some people start to feel anger and frustration over their lot in life and start focusing on retribution. Everyone is against him. No matter what he does he's no further ahead, he stews about the injustice of it all and how he's doesn't get a break. He's starts to unravel and creates tension with his first wife and kids, so much so, the new husband forbids him to see his older kids because he fears what Jabbar is capable of.

At this point in time he can't contain his anger. He needs a release. Someone who will commiserate with him, someone who nurtures his anger and retribution, and what better place to do it but online. Bitching about *advertiser censored* and the breakdown of the family, the lack of respect, the court system's emasculation of a man, the whole system against him.

He was going to do what many men who've been in the same boat have done; acrimonious divorce, mounting debt, being denied access to his children. He was going to kill them all. Easy, peasy. But somewhere along that timeline he didn't just see his exes, and the courts, and his destitution as the problem, he saw a greater issue. It was all because of his faith. And it probably pissed him off even more because he didn't really practice it at all. So he decides he's going out with a bang. He's dressing up his hatred for his financial woes and his failure as a husband and father as a hatred for America. And what better way to get back at America but strike them in way that will cause the same kind of despair, fear and anger that he has felt. And here we are.

My understanding was he only recently converted as per comments from his ex wife’s new partner and Jabbar’s brother - who said they were raised Christian.

 

[indicolite22]

My understanding was he only recently converted as per comments from his ex wife’s new partner and Jabbar’s brother - who said they were raised Christian.

His brother stated that he had converted at an early age. Perhaps he was radicalized only recently.

Abdur Jabbar, 24, of Beaumont, Texas, said he was a brother of the man identified as the New Orleans attacker, whom he described as “a sweetheart really, a nice guy, a friend, really smart, caring.” His brother converted to Islam at a young age, Jabbar said, “but what he did does not represent Islam. This is more some type of radicalization, not religion.”

New Orleans Attacker Was ‘Inspired’ by ISIS, Biden Says

Investigators who briefed President Biden told him that the suspect had posted videos indicating that he had a “desire to kill.” At least 15 people died in the attack.

www.nytimes.com