MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

[MerlinFalcon]

I initially thought Chloe was killed that morning, but didn’t someone post something here earlier which stated she bit someone after JOK was killed?

The whole Chloe testimony is not provable because names are missing on what was presented.

She had two documented bite histories before that night.

Edit: one before, one after. Both were documented in the Vanity Fair article.

 

[Soulmagent]

Hartnett should be up this morning. After they rude way the judge got the defense off yesterday.
Anyone know who is up after that ?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

We’re over two weeks into a high-profile murder trial, and the Commonwealth still hasn’t called the Medical Examiner, the lead investigator, or the homeowner on whose property the victim was last seen. Not a single autopsy photo shown. Wild.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So, Gallagher testified that he handed the red solo cups over to MA state crime labs, and that they took them away.

But yesterday, Maureen Hartnett testified that after she swabbed one of the six solo cups, she gave the solo cups to a Canton police officer, and did not see the cups again.

This is why chain of custody is so important. What a mess.

 

[jepop]

Two women went to the hospital after Chloe and another dog got into a fight, there are records of this. There is no way Chloe died that night IMHO.

I have to agree with this. I believe absolutely that Chloe caused the injuries to JO's right arm in the early am of Jan 29th, but looking at the records up until Chloe was re-homed in May ( ?) that year which I believe are accurate up to that point, there is no way Chloe died that night. Jmo

She may have or may not have been removed from the 34 F for a period of time beginning early am 29th Jan, before coming home again. She may have been locked away in a closet somewhere in the house on the morning of Jan 29th. Idk.

 

[mrjitty]

So, Gallagher testified that he handed the red solo cups over to MA state crime labs, and that they took them away.

But yesterday, Maureen Hartnett testified that after she swabbed one of the six solo cups, she gave the solo cups to a Canton police officer, and did not see the cups again.

This is why chain of custody is so important. What a mess.

Harnett is from the MA state police crime lab.

 

[jepop]

Yeah but even if she did hit him, who is to say it wasn’t a hair from a week ago? I mean clearly hair can stick to a bumper for a prolonged time in extreme conditions. JMO

Yeah for sure. I see the hair as meaningless to the CW's case. Imo it has no evidentiary value whatsoever.

JO and KR were together as a couple so there are many reasonable scenarios for a random hair being there. And given there was no blood or skin accompanying the hair, it's not reasonable imo to infer it has any connection with the CW's flawed theory that KR hit JO with the Lexus. Jmo

Remember KR was laying on John's body trying to warm him that very morning. She could have easily been the transferer of a hair later that day after returning to Meadows post hospital. Or, like you say, JO may have shed it earlier on 28th.

Also, Idk if anyone lurking around the tail light in the Sally Port had been in the Meadows residence earlier on the 29th, or had contact/touched JO's clothing at the hospital, but if so, well heck even Proctor himself could have been an inadvertent transferer. I mean his DNA was recovered from the same vicinity, right?

I'm assuming the defense will lay this out for the jury in some form so they can make the necessary inference that the CW harping on about this singular, random hair is just a distraction from what is NOT there ie blood and skin. Some jurors may even infer Proctor planted it by the time we get to the end of this farcical ( moo) trial. Jmo

* If it really is John's hair and I'm not sure that is proven but it appears the CW showed a reasonable likelihood it is in trial x1.

 

[ShadyLady]

I have to agree with this. I believe absolutely that Chloe caused the injuries to JO's right arm in the early am of Jan 29th, but looking at the records up until Chloe was re-homed in May ( ?) that year which I believe are accurate up to that point, there is no way Chloe died that night. Jmo

She may have or may not have been removed from the 34 F for a period of time beginning early am 29th Jan, before coming home again. She may have been locked away in a closet somewhere in the house on the morning of Jan 29th. Idk.

Hope she did not die, but can the whole second bite be a cover up, I just dont trust anything in this case.

 

[arielilane]

The CW once again destroys defense’s narrative.
BH no way interested in KR. He’s just not into you. jmo

Defendant's Dateline Interview, air date 10/18/2024

Timestamp 1:00:20 Clip 20 played for the jury by the CW.

The CW seeks to introduce two clips the first clip the Commonwealth would seek to introduce
and show the jury is clip 20.

PM: There's innuendo here that you guys have really been going this was sort of
had like a last date element to it was that going up

KR: that was not going on it clear to me I'm I'm never breaking up with you um you know not never that
we're in this good or bad but you're the best person I've ever

the CW would ask to show clip 19

Judge: okay

KR: i don't think I I I don't see how John would have known about my text with Brian um and I'm not sure if he knew he
would have reacted very strongly i think we would have broken up but I don't think John would have lost it
and caused a fight um I I I didn't feel that John's emotions with me got really strong
Timestamp 101:55

 

[Spider92]

I’m confused about what the glass was that MH found on the bumper. Was the glass supposedly from the vehicle or from the glass JOK was holding?

 

[Tortoise]

I mean his DNA was recovered from the same vicinity, right?

RSBM

No, that's not the case.

 

[Tortoise]

I’m confused about what the glass was that MH found on the bumper. Was the glass supposedly from the vehicle or from the glass JOK was holding?

It was matched to glass found on the road but it was not matched to John's glass.

It could have been Karen's glass, IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

The CW once again destroys defense’s narrative.
BH no way interested in KR. He’s just not into you. jmo

Defendant's Dateline Interview, air date 10/18/2024

Timestamp 1:00:20 Clip 20 played for the jury by the CW.

The CW seeks to introduce two clips the first clip the Commonwealth would seek to introduce
and show the jury is clip 20.

PM: There's innuendo here that you guys have really been going this was sort of
had like a last date element to it was that going up

KR: that was not going on it clear to me I'm I'm never breaking up with you um you know not never that
we're in this good or bad but you're the best person I've ever

the CW would ask to show clip 19

Judge: okay

KR: i don't think I I I don't see how John would have known about my text with Brian um and I'm not sure if he knew he
would have reacted very strongly i think we would have broken up but I don't think John would have lost it
and caused a fight um I I I didn't feel that John's emotions with me got really strong
Timestamp 101:55

This doesn't destroy anything IMO. Hard to destroy a narrative when they haven't even presented their case yet.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Once again a prosecution witness ends up helping the defense more. When will this farce of a trial ever end?

Well, Brennan still has to call his star witnesses, the Aruba sisters!

 

[rescuemom]

No. Gallagher is on the Canton PD. He testified that the Canton PD on the scene that morning used a leaf blower in the same area where the red taillight was later "found" but only found clear glass. Only a few inches of snow on the ground at that point. Not a single piece of red taillight and no large chunks which were found much later.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall any testimony from an expert forensically connecting the clear glass found to the glasses used at either bar. I know the CW tried to connect some bit of glass on Read's bumper to the clear glass found near the street but was unable to do so.

IMO, at the time the body was moved, the glass was just part of what could be gathered to move with it. If KR had not left the home of JOK to then find the body, where would this case be today with this expert investigation?? When this murder happened the occupants of that basement were just going to 'wing' it. KR fell into their laps.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Interesting that in John’s nieces initial interview and even testimony for t1, she never claimed Karen said ‘I hit him’ or anything of the like. That’s new for trial 2. Sadly, seems she has been coached.

 

[jepop]

RSBM

No, that's not the case.

Proctors dna was swabbed from the rear of the Lexus along with Bukhenic's from memory. That is what I mean by vicinity. That was in evidence in the first trial.

 

[Tortoise]

Proctors dna was swabbed from the rear of the Lexus along with Bukhenic's from memory. That is what I mean by vicinity. That was in evidence in the first trial.

No it wasn't.

First trial -

Gallerani said that on Jan. 16, 2024, he went to the Norfolk District Attorney’s office and took samples from Sgt. Yuriy Bukhenik and Trooper Michael Proctor.

These samples were shipped to a lab in Virginia for analysis, he said.

[...]

Bradford said the taillight had DNA from three people, including at least one male. When he compared the sample from the taillight to O’Keefe’s DNA, it was “749 nonillion times more likely” than not to have come from O’Keefe, adding that the number 1 nonillion has 30 zeroes.

In contrast, he said the analysis indicated the DNA from the taillight was very unlikely to have come from either Bukhenik or Proctor.

Karen Read live updates: John O’Keefe’s DNA was found on Read’s taillight

Testimony resumes in the Karen Read trial on Thursday. Follow the latest updates here.

www.masslive.com

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Proctors dna was swabbed from the rear of the Lexus along with Bukhenic's from memory. That is what I mean by vicinity. That was in evidence in the first trial.

Gallerani testified yesterday that there were 3 DNA profiles, 1 being JOK. Buhkenik and Proctor were swabbed. Interestingly he said that the samples were sent to Bode Technology lab, but I didn’t hear him say they were or were not matches (maybe just out of his scope?). But Berkowitz, Tully, and Kevin Albert were not swabbed. This is all from Gallerani’s testimony yesterday.

ETA: Yeah, I can’t find public info on if those swabs were actually tested…

Also, edited to correct ‘Maureen Hartnett’ to ‘Gallerani’. It’s early, and I have MH on the brain!

 

[jepop]

Maureen Hartnett testified yesterday that there were 3 DNA profiles, 1 being JOK. Buhkenik and Proctor were swabbed. But Berkowitz, Tully, and Kevin Albert were not swabbed. This is all from MH’s testimony yesterday

Oh ok. Thanks for the info. Good to know.