MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

IMO To understand what goes on in this neck of the woods you need to have read a lot of the other comments/articles in this thread by the locals.
IMO you are perhaps missing out on what the history and culture are re politics and LE in Massachusetts. Its a long storied and sorted past.
Take a look if you are interested, at the Sandra Birchmore case - over lapping LE in this case and that one.
I have been "marinating" in it ( the culture/the politics) for fifty years, so i think I have a pretty good read on the flavor of things - Just something to consider - everything imo is not always black and white as we'd like it to be

JMO

I am truly grateful for you and other locals being on this forum and giving us your first hand knowledge of what has been happening in your towns and state. I apologize for those who don't empathize with you and your communties for all the corruption you have dealt with for decades. Some people want to close their eyes and pretend nothing bad is happening and they selfishly only value their own truths. Shame on them! Moo

 

[Izzylizzy]

5 hrs. ago

 

[Linda7NJ]

The clothes may have been wet, but approx 6 weeks between the time they were collected and sent to the lab wasn't due to waiting for the clothes to dry. JMOO

Karen Read murder trial: Jurors see O'Keefe's clothing, SUV evidence

Read is accused of killing her Boston police officer boyfriend by striking him with an SUV and leaving him to die in a snowbank.

www.wcvb.com

"Your chain of custody at the lab for the two shirts and the plastic, that began on March 14, 2022. So, between Jan 29 and March14 you don't know what Michael Proctor did with the evidence?" Yannetti said.

“Yannetti said” isn’t evidence

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

The CW is sooo desparate, do they care if this appealed? Kick the can down the road and deal with it later. This whole case has been built on that exact thing. JOK was killed in the house and the idiots inside did not know what to do with that. Along comes KR and the evidence then needed to match her movements, her texts, her utterances and her interviews. Sad that time and money will be spent and lives will continue to be ruined.

I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that points to John OKeefe being murdered in the house
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All imo

 

[tara83]

“Yannetti said” isn’t evidence

IMO

It's not about what Yanetti said. Yuri still supports and defends Proctor and on the stand he admitted Proctor would have had access to the evidence.

 

[Forest_Wood]

If I had to guess at what BH was doing at the CPD parking lot at 1:30am on Jan 29, 2002:

• He walked into the office to get a key for at least one vehicle.
• He transferred his belongings that he had left in the police vehicle that he drove to/from NYC and put them into his jeep. (I could not make out what kind of vehicle it was).
• No idea what was in that 3rd vehicle or why he'd access it.

So, the questions for me are:

Why did he lie about moving vehicles around that night?
Why did he wait until after a night of drinking/driving to go back to the police station?
Why was he permitted to be at the police station roaming around and going into offices and into vehicles and the sallyport while off-duty?
What was he really doing in those vehicles?
What did he take or leave in them?
What consequence, if any, has he faced for drinking and driving that night, and for being at the police station while not on duty?
Where is the video of him at the CPD on Saturday Jan 29, 2002 after JOKs body was found?

 

[Wishbone]

“Yannetti said” isn’t evidence

IMO

Vallier told Yannetti that O’Keefe’s clothing came to the lab on March 14, 2022, some six weeks after his death.

“Do you know where Michael Proctor stored this clothing during that six-week period?” Yannetti asked, referring to the State Police investigator.

“No,” Vallier said.

“You cannot vouch for how the clothing or taillight pieces were handled before they got to your lab, correct?” Yannetti asked.

“I cannot,” Vallier said.

Crime lab analysts testify on DNA evidence on John O’Keefe’s clothes, pieces of taillight found at scene - The Boston Globe

On Friday, Prosecutor Adam Lally called Andre Porto and Ash Vallier, analysts at the State Police crime lab, to the stand. Here's how the day unfolded.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that points to John OKeefe being murdered in the house
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All imo

There is no burden for the defense to prove something happened in the house. They are raising reasonable doubt that something *could* have happened in the house. This argument is only possible because the CPD and MSP did not follow typical procedure in their investigation.

All MOO.

 

[tara83]

I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that points to John OKeefe being murdered in the house
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All imo

Well you won't find it because LE never went in the house. Don't you find it odd that a dead man is found on a lawn and they never bother to go in the house?

 

[Linda7NJ]

There are two things I don't understand about the Karen Read Trial. Following the dramatic hearing, Read spoke to reporters for the first time.
"We know who did it. We know. And we know who spearheaded this coverup. You all know,"

If they and we all know who did it and who spearheaded this coverup, why aren't these mystery persons or person being arrested, since everybody knows?

Also, Karen Read lied in the interview (I think 20/20) about how much she drank that evening/morning (she said 4 drinks and didn't finish them). Shouldn't this be brought up in court, since her blood alcohol level was over the limit? The video at the Waterfall shows her drinking alcohol, and adding shots to her drinks. After she added the shots, John O'Keefe stirred them into her drink.

Did you see the clip played in court of Karen’s “bartender math”?

 

[lohrtabitha]

The chief of police there at the time has passed away. He had no ring camera footage he said and also had personal relationships with some of the witnesses. He also drove by the house long after and said he found red tail light pieces, as he drove by. IMO

IMO, I would call it that it was Karma that caught up to that Cheif and I hope it catches a few others in that town.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Well you won't find it because LE never went in the house. Don't you find it odd that a dead man is found on a lawn and they never bother to go in the house?

A dead man who was supposed to be attending a party inside that very house.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just wondering what other commenters think about this - only opinion.

I don’t understand your question

 

[Izzylizzy]

<modsnip: Stop the personalizing. Address the post and not the poster>
The thing is, we still don't know if there are charges pending the outcome of this trial. We don't even know who the FBI was investigating or for what. Was it Brian Higgins? Was it Tully? There are many unknowns about the FBI investigation that need to be cleared up.
MOO

It may be 'closed" but with charges forthcoming when this trial concludes?
imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

So I'm not mistaken right?!

CW stamped when they know KR definitely hit JO:

12:45 first attempt
12:30 second attempt
12:31:38 third attempt
12:32:16 now this??!!

They were able to retrieve WAY MORE DATA this trial - data that doesn’t help Karen Read
The different clocks /different times have always been an issue

I think Karen’s own Lexus might just sink her - well that and her own statements AND all the physical evidence
IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

You do realize a cop actually lost their job because of behavior in this case? The lead investigator in the case no less.

He didn’t lose his job for planting evidence -
Or some grand conspiracy to frame Karen

IMO

 

[keek]

The chief of police there at the time has passed away. He had no ring camera footage he said and also had personal relationships with some of the witnesses. He also drove by the house long after and said he found red tail light pieces, as he drove by. IMO

He was also in the sallyport with proctor.

 

[ShadyLady]

I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that points to John OKeefe being murdered in the house
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All imo

Could it be that the house was NEVER examined? Then part remodeled....and then sold??

 

[DropthePuck]

I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that points to John OKeefe being murdered in the house
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All imo

I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that points to John OKeefe being hit and killed by a car. <modsnip>

 

[missy1974]

He didn’t lose his job for planting evidence -
Or some grand conspiracy to frame Karen

IMO

He also didn't lose his job until AFTER the last trial and that IMO was about optics during the trial.

IF there is/was/will be an investigation into him planting evidence, I wouldn't expect it until this case is resolved. JMO