MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #33 Retrial

[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi alleges there was intentional misconduct in front of the jury regarding the presentation of John O'Keefe's hoodie - partially specifically the holes in the back of the sweatshirt.

 

[waldojabba]

The judge loathes Alessi.
He is saying there are no holes in the back of the sweat shirt - the only thing is the cuttting from
the med techs and hospital - and that Mr Brennan knows that
JMO

 

[DustysMom]

No, that does not make sense to me. What's the deal? You don't do a voir dire after the witness has already testified. Are you sure that's right? Could be a 'that's how we do it Massachusetts' thing I guess.

Is it possible this judge is trying to rush through the tail end of the trial and squeeze things in higgledy piggledy to suit he own whim? Just a thought. Will await developments. Jmo

Why rush? This trial has been ahead of schedule for an entire month

 

[missy1974]

No holes in the back of the sweatshirt accoring to Alessi... exhibit yyy seems to support that accoring to the judge.

wow ...

 

[jepop]

Boom

Hos much egg on Brennan's face? Imo he gets carried away recklessly trying to discredit expert witnesses in the moment with no thought to the consequences. He is either unable or chooses not to keep the bigger picture in mind? This isn't the first time he's tripped himself up and come out of it looking like a hypocrite. Imo this can't even been seen as a tactical calculated risk. The other option is that he had no idea Welcher's own dummy was in the 50th percentile. Hard to believe but could be. Jmo

 

[nodamselindistress]

By my count, this is the 3rd Mistrial request.

 

[missy1974]

The hoodie is out of the plastic ... Alessi says it is obvious that they were cuts from the criminalists.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi says Brennan questioned Wolfe in regards to the hoodie sweatshirt, which has been in plastic casing for the trial. Brennan held up the casing with the sweatshirt, and went to the back of the sweatshirt. Brennan didn’t show AJ the back of the sweatshirt as would be proper procedure. Also, Alessi says the holes in the back of the hoodie were ‘obviously’ cut by the criminalist.

 

[missy1974]

Wow.. that was super douchey of Brennan if this is true.

But JMO

 

[rescuemom]

He is the defense attorney that we usually dislike IMO

This is a very strange trial lol It feels so backwards.

It's like half- a- case. IMO, it is because so little useful credible evidence has been presented and what has been presented has been destroyed by the D. The D has had it's hands tied behind it's back to be able to present it's own case. So many questions remain for the jury to understand the entirety of the case/incident.
For me, and some of you, we who have been here since day 1 know so much more. What was supposed to be streamlined has been filled with presenting and crossing such unnecessary garbage.

Has Dr Wolfe clearly said that the injuries to JOKs body were not caused by a vehicle yet??????

 

[Alcina]

Alessi is so dramatic lol

She will never grant a mistrial... Alessi is doing this for the record IMO

he is submitting photos from evidence of the sweatshirt.

She won't grant it but he is making a very good argument!

 

[missy1974]

this was during the break...

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[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi says Brennan knows the holes are from the criminalist. Exhibit YYY is the only photo of the back of the hoodie before the criminalist started her work. There are no cuts to YYY. Alessi says they will bring Hartnett in to confirm if needed.

 

[missy1974]

Alessi calling what Brennan did a "stunt".. an intentional misconduct by the CW .. it is in the CW's documents that they have NOT introduced (basically saying this was a premeditated stunt)

 

[sunshineray]

She is not stopping and reading case law when she sustains an objection in the middle of an attorney speaking. It's not necessary to be an apologist for her, or at least use actual FACTS to do so. JMO

I wasn't talking to the questions and answers. I was referring to the ruling on the motions, before the jury was present. As far as her overruling or sustaining objections during direct and cross testimony, that is also the role of what a judge does, is it not? I'm confused as to what you think I'm apologising for, as pertains to the judges rulings? I don't see any bias whatsoever in how the judge has conducted herself throughout the case and have stated so repeatedly. AJMO

 

[missy1974]

Alessi says Brennan knows the holes are from the criminalist. Exhibit YYY is the only photo of the back of the hoodie before the criminalist started her work. There are no cuts to YYY. Alessi says they will bring Hartnett in to confirm if needed.

it should be noted... that the Judge AGREED with Alessi at first glance of the photos.

They are now looking at all the photos together with the judge.

 

[BUF]

Is this the reason why that hoodie was placed (sandwiched) between two pieces of plexiglass?

 

[missy1974]

Is this the reason why that hoodie was placed (sandwiched) between tow pieces of plexiglass?

possibly? I think part of Alessi's argument is... Brennan planned this, it wasn't just organic.

 

[keek]

It's like half- a- case. IMO, it is because so little useful credible evidence has been presented and what has been presented has been destroyed by the D. The D has had it's hands tied behind it's back to be able to present it's own case. So many questions remain for the jury to understand the entirety of the case/incident.
For me, and some of you, we who have been here since day 1 know so much more. What was supposed to be streamlined has been filled with presenting and crossing such unnecessary garbage.

Has Dr Wolfe clearly said that the injuries to JOKs body were not caused by a vehicle yet??????

Alessi calling what Brennan did a "stunt".. an intentional misconduct by the CW .. it is in the CW's documents that they have NOT introduced (basically saying this was a premeditated stunt)

Never were there holes on the back of JOK's shirt that was presented at trials. The sleeves were the part of the shirt that had the tiny holes up the arm where the dog's teeth, pointed and claws went through and into the arm which caused the bloody gouges. Blood was on the back of JOK's shirt on the upper back as far as anything on the back of that shirt. His bite and claw marks were bloody on his arm, I do not believe they showed through his shirt as normally of course they would. IMO

 

[jepop]

On a superficial level, yes, the video of Test E looks very similar to what the CW have described happening in the pedestrian strike. Almost chillingly so.

But with a proper analysis of the damage the test shows very different damage to the interior of the taillight which doesn't match KR's Lexus and also no damage to the sweater, which the CW are claiming was pierced by taillight shards.

JMO

You forgot to add the most important point; with no damage to the sleeves of the hoodie there can be no patterned, parallel lined blunt force abrasions on the right arm resembling dog bites and scratches. In addition, the experiment demonstrates how the impacted arm moves away from the tail light at the same speed as the vehicle on impact. It is physically impossible for the dislodged tail light pieces to accelerate at a greater speed than the arm in order to make contact with the arm. Jmo