NOT GUILTY MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #37 Retrial

[Anniesflowers]

Speaking to your last sentence, I think it could easily be a dynamic combination of all those factors, misconduct, bias, incompetence and a level of corruption. Jmo

I know I’ve posted this so many times, so please forgive me. If you believe Sgt. Barros’ (and I know some don’t) testimony and accompanying video, her tail light was NOT smashed out at 34F. I saw with my own eyes the ~ 6x2.5” piece of tail light missing from KR’s right rear tail light. IMO, it absolutely did NOT resemble the picture from the Canton sally port AT ALL. So, if the tail light was mostly intact when it left KR’s parents home, how did all those tail light pieces get to 34F? An extra piece was there, too, IIRC. Definite signs of police misconduct.

 

[Oakland CA]

I can see a guilty on the OUI.
Having said that, it would be an absolute injustice if she were given the maximum sentence for that.
A small fine maybe, as a first time offender.
That, along with any hardship she has incurred due to the trials, is more than enough of a penalty.

 

[TDoc72]

You do not have to agree with me. If his arm was hit and he fell backwards that could very well be what happened and how he got his head injury. Possible in my eyes. Have a good day.

If he fell backwards, his head would be towards the house/away from the road. It wasn’t, at least as it was testified to (because we have no photos). His head was towards the road.

 

[Forest_Wood]

If he fell backwards, his head would be towards the house/away from the road. It wasn’t, at least as it was testified to (because we have no photos). His head was towards the road.

Exactly! And, he was 10ft (at least) up on the grass when the experts testified the head injury would have caused immediate incapacitation. How did he get to where they found him?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Exactly! And, he was 10ft (at least) up on the grass when the experts testified the head injury would have caused immediate incapacitation. How did he get to where they found him?

You forget the pirouette that John did, and apparently his phone also did, to land perfectly under him!

 

[Oakland CA]

ETA: Personally, I don’t have to like someone to still believe they deserve a fair trial, a real defense, and the right to stand up for themselves.

My point exactly.
Agree 100%.
Well said.

 

[Wishbone]

Yeah, it’s just hard to get past all four medical examiners testifying that his injuries weren’t from a car strike. Jmo.

Add in ARCCA's testimony that JO was not hit by that Lexus and his injuries did not come from being hit by that car. JMOO

 

[Tortoise]

Exactly! And, he was 10ft (at least) up on the grass when the experts testified the head injury would have caused immediate incapacitation. How did he get to where they found him?

Stumble in a spin = steps, fall backwards, hit head, incapacitated.

 

[Tortoise]

You forget the pirouette that John did, and apparently his phone also did, to land perfectly under him!

Spinning like Rescue Randy, but unlike RR John wasn't tethered to the spot, he could move backwards, with his glass and his phone.

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935343665565614469

 

[geevee]

You forget the pirouette that John did, and apparently his phone also did, to land perfectly under him!

While remaining in pocket state the whole time!

 

[Anniesflowers]

Karen didn’t “drag herself” through anything. The state chose to prosecute her with a case full of missing pieces, non credible experts, and changing theories (even mid trial). She had every right to defend herself, and last I checked, refusing to confess to a crime you maintain you didn’t commit is part of our due process right as American citizens.

As for “blaming others”, pointing out investigative gaps or conflicting expert conclusions isn’t deflection. It’s exactly what a defense team is supposed to do in a court of law.

If she’d just “taken a plea,” you’d be here saying she admitted guilt. If she fights for her innocence, she’s arrogant and remorseless. Seems like for some, the outcome doesn’t matter, only that a woman be punished for not being quiet enough. JMO.

ETA: Personally, I don’t have to like someone to still believe they deserve a fair trial, a real defense, and the right to stand up for themselves.

Oh my gosh, yes. IMO, You are always spot on with your analysis. Why does KR suffer so many personal attacks? Why wouldn’t she fully participate in her defense? I feel she’s also quite good at being her own advocate. I wonder if some of the hate is an overflow from Turtleboy. It seems to bother a lot of folks that Turtleboy is championing KR and put the spotlight back on the wrongdoers, the corrupt legal system in Norfolk County. MM has been under federal investigation for corruption for a while now. If you’re not from the area, you may not realize that he’s been very involved in uncovering corruption in Mass. politics. He brought out a lot of negative information regarding Worcester and other Mass. politicians and the MSP. All IMO.

 

[TDoc72]

Stumble in a spin = steps, fall backwards, hit head, incapacitated.

Testimony was that he took 36 steps/80ish feet (also roughly the distance to the house/garage). Did he stumble for that long only to land about 10 ft from the road? This doesn’t make sense.

 

[jepop]

I know I’ve posted this so many times, so please forgive me. If you believe Sgt. Barros’ (and I know some don’t) testimony and accompanying video, her tail light was NOT smashed out at 34F. I saw with my own eyes the ~ 6x2.5” piece of tail light missing from KR’s right rear tail light. IMO, it absolutely did NOT resemble the picture from the Canton sally port AT ALL. So, if the tail light was mostly intact when it left KR’s parents home, how did all those tail light pieces get to 34F? An extra piece was there, too, IIRC. Definite signs of police misconduct.

Definately, I was only referring to cannone in my post.

Police misconduct, planting of evidence %100. I am right there with you @Anniesflowers. I do not understand those who claim they didn't see it. I also saw it with my own two eyes. Barros' testimony in conjunction with the tow truck video was the moment my mind was truly blown in this trial. I had no idea that was coming.

Thank God, that video is in evidence and an exhibit the jury has had free access to during their deliberations. The video, for some reason, was not in evidence at trial 1. I would think that was due to the doings of the cw. I wonder if the jury misleading special prosecutor Brennan fought to have it excluded pre-trial. I didn't follow pre,-trial so much this time and not sure how much we know about motions to exclude this sort of damning evidence. Jmo

 

[Spectrix]

If she is found guilty on OUI and not manslaughter, she will only be charged on OUI. They can charge on the lesser included without charging her with manslaughter.

But yes, if they cannot decide on OUI, she can be retried on the entire manslaughter charge. She was not indicted on OUI, it’s a lesser included. So even if they hang on that, the courts consider it hanging on count 2.

My question is this: if they find her not guilty of count 1 and 3, and hang on the remaining count, can she be retried on all counts, the same situation as trial 1?

 

[Baba O'Riley]

Is there a link to the latest version of the verdict slip? Or a screenshot? Thanks in advance!

Edited: I see @Tortoise posted it above.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Definately, I was only referring to cannone in my post.

Police misconduct, planting of evidence %100. I am right there with you @Anniesflowers. I do not understand those who claim they didn't see it. I also saw it with my own two eyes. Barros' testimony in conjunction with the tow truck video was the moment my mind was truly blown in this trial. I had no idea that was coming.

Thank God, that video is in evidence and an exhibit the jury has had free access to during their deliberations. The video, for some reason, was not in evidence at trial 1. I would think that was due to the doings of the cw. I wonder if the jury misleading special prosecutor Brennan fought to have it excluded pre-trial. I didn't follow pre,-trial so much this time and not sure how much we know about motions to exclude this sort of damning evidence. Jmo

Imagine the stress Barros must have felt to testify to something entirely different than many cops in neighboring jurisdictions!. What a brave and truthful man of integrity and honor!

 

[Anniesflowers]

Stumble in a spin = steps, fall backwards, hit head, incapacitated.

What did he hit his head on out in the yard that would cause that head injury AND the small cut above his eye? Also, when would he have vomited and bled down his front and into his underwear? He would’ve needed to have been sitting up for that to happen, imo.

 

[Tortoise]

Testimony was that he took 36 steps/80ish feet (also roughly the distance to the house/garage). Did he stumble for that long only to land about 10 ft from the road? This doesn’t make sense.

It's not the case that he was stumbling for 36 steps, but that there were no more steps after he was hit. He was checking his messages during those steps.

 

[arielilane]

Pay a fine for the charge of 2nd degree murder? Or do you only think she's guilty of OUI?

Sorry if I wasnt clear, I am talking about when KR first spoke with attorney Yannetti about .... David, what if...
Perhaps you're not familiar with her questions to him.
He told her she has an element of culpability, she took three days to think about it.

Imo, she (not being judgy) would have been better to admit wrongdoing. Would have probably required to pay a fine. Done.

I do not think she is guilty of OUI only.

I dont believe (moo) the jury is anywhere near M2.
Imo, manslaughter- maybe.
Maybe a verdict coming since the verdict slip recently adjusted.

moo