Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 10

[docwho3]

From the article Shazza posted a link to in post 258:
Last Updated: 2:05am BST 17/08/2007
" . . .Mr Ribeiro, who denied that the parents had ever been suspects, said: "This is a very dynamic investigation. We cannot explain everything to them that we are doing." . . ."

docwho3 comments: Umm so they can't tell the family all about the investigation, that is the same way it is done in the USA. Family are not told the details of an ongoing investigation even if they are not suspects.

" . . . Mr Ribeiro also confirmed that there were contradictions in the witness statements of three British couples and a woman who were on holiday with the McCanns.
"The contradictions, in themselves, are worth little," he said. "We have to see what their relevance is.". . ."

docwho3 comments: So the contradictions are worthless at the moment unless some significant relevance can be established. Even honest witnesses may often differ in some details when recounting things from memory so we must see if anything significant is found in the contradictions.

" . . . He criticised officers who had leaked false information to Portuguese newspapers.. . ."

docwho3 comments: And yet people have relied heavily on those articles for posts to implicate the parents soooooo what parts of those articles were false? Did the staff really say the parents did not check on their children? Or what else may have been a false story?

" . . . "If I denied everything erroneous that had been published, I would have no time for anything else.". . ."

docwho3 comments: It sounds as if he is saying that very much information we have received in news reports is wrong, especially those things in the Portuguese papers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/17/wmaddy117.xml

 

[CaliKid]

From the article Shazza posted a link to in post 258:
Last Updated: 2:05am BST 17/08/2007
" . . .Mr Ribeiro, who denied that the parents had ever been suspects, said: "This is a very dynamic investigation. We cannot explain everything to them that we are doing." . . ."

docwho3 comments: Umm so they can't tell the family all about the investigation, that is the same way it is done in the USA. Family are not told the details of an ongoing investigation even if they are not suspects.

" . . . Mr Ribeiro also confirmed that there were contradictions in the witness statements of three British couples and a woman who were on holiday with the McCanns.
"The contradictions, in themselves, are worth little," he said. "We have to see what their relevance is.". . ."

docwho3 comments: So the contradictions are worthless at the moment unless some significant relevance can be established. Even honest witnesses may often differ in some details when recounting things from memory so we must see if anything significant is found in the contradictions.

" . . . He criticised officers who had leaked false information to Portuguese newspapers.. . ."

docwho3 comments: And yet people have relied heavily on those articles for posts to implicate the parents soooooo what parts of those articles were false? Did the staff really say the parents did not check on their children? Or what else may have been a false story?

" . . . "If I denied everything erroneous that had been published, I would have no time for anything else.". . ."

docwho3 comments: It sounds as if he is saying that very much information we have received in news reports is wrong, especially those things in the Portuguese papers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/17/wmaddy117.xml

I have to laugh, but not at you, docwho, I'm laughing at the link and what it has to say about Albert Ribierto. (In other words, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings.) You are quoting a British paper, and they have been notoriously pro-McCann and anti-Portuguese.

 

[docwho3]

I have to laugh, but not at you, docwho, I'm laughing at the link and what it has to say about Albert Ribierto. (In other words, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings.) You are quoting a British paper, and they have been notoriously pro-McCann and anti-Portuguese.

Not a problem but either they lied in quoting the senior L.E. as saying the Portuguese papers contained false information or they told the truth. I don't care what their normal bias is if they report accurately and I have heard most of these same facts from other news sources. I particularly used this news article because it is the article link (not the article) that Shazza used in a post and I felt it might be good to see a few more points from the same article that evidently shazza and others trust enough to have used as a source link in their own posts.

 

[Shazza]

Not a problem but either they lied in quoting the senior L.E. as saying the Portuguese papers contained false information or they told the truth. I don't care what their normal bias is if they report accurately and I have heard most of these same facts from other news sources. I particularly used this news article because it is the article link (not the article) that Shazza used in a post and I felt it might be good to see a few more points from the same article that evidently shazza and others trust enough to have used as a source link in their own posts.

The point I was trying to get across was that Murat was no longer considered a suspect, that link and another link which I could not find again that I quoted Murat was no longer a suspect, confirms a question that keeps being asked. "Where is it stated that Murat is no longer considered a suspect". I answered that question in my post No 258.

 

[docwho3]

news link found posted elsewhere so I went to the actual news site and copied the webaddress itself - not all that familiar with the source but here it is

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16732/Maddy:-DNA-shock

 

[Shazza]

So we have two different UK papers stating opposite facts about Murat being a suspect.
They also say there could be more than one suspect and they have found more evidence that will likely lead to an arrest but will take a few more days to verify.
Anticipating the results of these tests and the arrests of the perpertrator or perpertrators.

 

[docwho3]

So we have two different UK papers stating opposite facts about Murat being a suspect.
They also say there could be more than one suspect and they have found more evidence that will likely lead to an arrest but will take a few more days to verify.
Anticipating the results of these tests and the arrests of the perpertrator or perpertrators.

And who knows how many other news articles are out there perhaps even from other countries as well that all may say different things than each other. If I remember correctly the last news article I posted mentioned something about a spanish paper being a source for some of its information. Was this another contaminated article with poor or false info? Or were the previous articles you and I and others have been reading linked to in posts contaminated with the sometimes alleged false information? Papers often sell best on whipping up peoples emotions. Do any of you feel that facts you have read in news articles about this case have whipped up your emotions? If so beware that you may have been had by news article writers.

 

[Shazza]

And who knows how many other news articles are out there perhaps even from other countries as well that all may say different things than each other. If I remember correctly the last news article I posted mentioned something about a spanish paper being a source for some of its information. Was this another contaminated article with poor or false info? Or were the previous articles you and I and others have been reading linked to in posts contaminated with the sometimes alleged false information? Papers often sell best on whipping up peoples emotions. Do any of you feel that facts you have read in news articles about this case have whipped up your emotions? If so beware that you may have been had by news article writers.

My take on what happened to Madelaine is not based on everything I read in the press or what I see on the TV, as I do believe that some of the information could be false, or has no evidence to prove the article written is fact. There is a lot of things that I take into account to come to the conclusions that I believe what could have happened to Madelaine and that information has been posted here in these threads by me and other posters. There are still too many unanswered questions and indiscrepancies in the statements made by all those who have been investigated, and there are more investigations still to be had. As I have said many times before the LE know more than they have made public, and Im sure we will hear more in due course that will help us know what happened to Madelaine.

 

[mjak]

Well in that case I would completely agree with you, the person.
Hardly the same though. I would even expect the child to be run over in that case. The car also has a right to be on the highway.
I would not expect somebody to, nor do they have the right to break into somebody's apartment and steal their child.

And no adult caregiver has the right to leave 2 and 3 year olds alone in an apartment.

mjak

 

[mjak]

Yeah, but as a parent, don't you agree that you MUST consider every possibility? Even if you were not concerned necessarily with an intruder, what about a fire? What about one of the children choking on something? Parents who think about these things DO NOT leave their young children alone. That's why young children HAVE parents in the first place. Because they are too young to take care of themselves should the unthinkable happen. There are laws in place that make it ILLEGAL to leave small children unattended for these very reasons. When we hear of children being taken from their homes in the middle of the night even while adults are present, it should make us even more vigilent in making sure their protected, NOT LESS. I think its appauling that any grown person would leave children alone to fend for themselves and, when something terrible happens to the children, which is a very distinct possibility, I feel bad for the children--NOT the parents who damn well should have known better.

excellent post:clap: :clap: :clap:

Jenna has storng words but I support them. We as adults have a moral, ethical and humanistic obligiation to protect and care for our young. Point blank these parents failed to do this. Irregardless of the horror of the consequnce of their behavior ( the loss of their daughter) they must be held coupable for the negligence and disregard they demonstarted. I am not referring to legally couplable, thats a whole different ball of wax. I am referring to apporpriately being held under suspicion and held accountable for the current wearabouts of their daughter.

mjak

 

[colomom]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to jump in really quick and say "hi". Like CaliKid...I am feeling the love...:blowkiss:

Real quick, your discussions as always, are interesting and give me pause to think. I hope someday, someway we can stumple across the "key". We probably won't find it otherwise.

Docwho3: Robert Murat's status as a "suspect" was at his request. He wanted the extra protection it afforded.

OFF TOPIC:
I am having a fine time on my road trip though I have to say, Utah is a bit strange for my tastes (no offense to anyone from Utah ) I have never experienced a state controlled liquor store and I thought Colorado drivers were bad... I will be back full-time on Tuesday.

TTFN!!

 

[Jdee]

Have fun Colomom! Be safe!

I do think some of what we have read in the papers is false and I do keep an open mind about that, but when you have the McCann's saying out loud that leaving their 3 small children alone at night in an apartment was like having dinner in a garden... Well that is straight out of their mouths and to me they are not taking responsibility here at all. They are looking for excuses for setting up their children. I think they need to come out and say yes we goofed. All I have heard is how they do feel guilty but right on top of that they say the 'dinner in the garden' BS.
In my book they are responsible for the disapearance of their child.

 

[BethInAK]

The comment on your previous post was unfair.
I don't know for certain what happened to Madeleine. And I don't believe any of us know that either.
I am trying to keep an open mind until the police tell us officially what happened and by whome.
If Madeleine had walked out an unlocked door, then yes I would blame her parents.
That is a lot different than some perp entering somebody's apartment and stealing a child.

I dont' think it was unfair, its been repeated stated in the newspapers that the police state there is blood in the apartment thats been sent out for testing and that cadaver dogs hit on the room. You said that we don't know this because its not from a reliable source. If multiple newspapers and interviews from the police arent' reliable, then no source is reliable.

I'm just pointing out that there is more than one scenario to madeleines disappearance and only one points to a stranger abduction.

 

[mjak]

Can anyone post a link to a reliable source that states the Maddeline walked out of her apartment alone before? If this did happen I am horrified that her parents would still leave her and the twins alone after this occurance. This has huge ramifications for how the parents should be viewed IMO if it is true.

mjak

 

[Morag]

This story, if true, makes a fairly sensational allegation about someone (or more) of the group. As we've heard/read, the British LE is observing someone close to the case. Who is it and what is the something in the past?


http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=254572&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0

Still according to cm selected, the truth is that the Judiciary Policy believes to be each time more close to the author it crime. The certainty of the investigators, seats in diverse tests collected in the last weeks, is of that the child was deceased in the apartment and that the author will have been an English. The possibility of the crime (or it has caused an accident) to have been committed for one of the friends of the McCann couple continues on of the table, being unaware of itself, however, if the errands that already will have been emitted in this England aim at one of suspicious.

Still according to cm obtained to select, the contribution between the Portuguese authorities and English she has been intense, allowing that the Judiciary Policy can have started to reconstitute the mobile of the crime. Group will have something in the past of at least one them elements that will be able to explain the disappearance to it of the child, fact this whose nature the cm did not obtain to select.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Can anyone post a link to a reliable source that states the Maddeline walked out of her apartment alone before? If this did happen I am horrified that her parents would still leave her and the twins alone after this occurance. This has huge ramifications for how the parents should be viewed IMO if it is true.

mjak

"In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770


In addition, there is the recollections of the widow whom lived in the apartment above, about the crying coming from the McCann's apartment on another evening:

"Mrs Fenn also told police that two nights before Madeleine disappeared she heard a child crying in the McCanns’ apartment.

Her screams carried on from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm until family members returned from a night out."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

 

[Jeana (DP)]

"In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770


In addition, there is the recollections of the widow whom lived in the apartment above, about the crying coming from the McCann's apartment on another evening:

"Mrs Fenn also told police that two nights before Madeleine disappeared she heard a child crying in the McCanns’ apartment.

Her screams carried on from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm until family members returned from a night out."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

Unfreakingbelievable.:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

 

[mjak]

"In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474656&in_page_id=1770


In addition, there is the recollections of the widow whom lived in the apartment above, about the crying coming from the McCann's apartment on another evening:

"Mrs Fenn also told police that two nights before Madeleine disappeared she heard a child crying in the McCanns’ apartment.

Her screams carried on from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm until family members returned from a night out."

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

Thanks CarpeDiem, very intresteing articles. If this is to be belived we have parents of normal or above normal intelligence leaving 3 children under the age of 4 home alone in an apartment. This is reprehensible behavior but it could be viewed as incredible bad judgment and stupidity. However, when it is reported that one of the child cried for an hour when left alone and alledgedly ran out of the apartment and was missing for half an hour this becomes both criminal and unbelievable to me. I do not think these parents were deliberatly reckless; therefore, I believe they would have addressed this problems with Maddie. As sicking as this is this is all leading me to believe one scenerio and and that is that they did indeed drug the children and Maddie did die from the drug. ONe of the artilces mentions the parents left the back door open in case of fire did they also take an extra procurtion of drugging the children to insure know more crying out or leaving the apartment? This is a theory I initially disregarded but today it is making sickingly sense to me.

mjak

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thanks CarpeDiem, very intresteing articles. If this is to be belived we have parents of normal or above normal intelligence leaving 3 children under the age of 4 home alone in an apartment. This is reprehensible behavior but it could be viewed as incredible bad judgment and stupidity. However, when it is reported that one of the child cried for an hour when left alone and alledgedly ran out of the apartment and was missing for half an hour this becomes both criminal and unbelievable to me. I do not think these parents were deliberatly reckless; therefore, I believe they would have addressed this problems with Maddie. As sicking as this is this is all leading me to believe one scenerio and and that is that they did indeed drug the children and Maddie did die from the drug. ONe of the artilces mentions the parents left the back door open in case of fire did they also take an extra procurtion of drugging the children to insure know more crying out or leaving the apartment? This is a theory I initially disregarded but today it is making sickingly sense to me.

mjak

As hard as it may be for one to believe, its the only thing that makes much sense to me so far.

 

[mjak]

As hard as it may be for one to believe, its the only thing that makes much sense to me so far.

I have now been reading that the parents were asked for urine samples from the twins becasue they seemed so nonresponsive the night Maddie dissapeared. I have only found this in secondary sources so unless it shows up in a primary soruce there is nothing to link. If this is true it gives creedince to this awful theory. I also noticed in the article the parents were quoted as saying we did not give the children sedatives; but, that is not the same as saying we did not give them drugs. Benadryl is probably the most common drug given to children to help them sleep and that is an antihystamine.

mjak