Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 10

[rashomon]

Perhaps the mccanns lie because they are too proud to admit that they left their children in a very shady situation.

I think this may indeed be the reason. Maybe it is just not true that they (despite their intent) took those turns regularly in checking the kids because the party all were having so much fun together at the tapas bar that they skipped a "checking round" or two (or even more!).
Admitting to that despite their previous claim to have checked on the kids regularly would be tough, for in addtion to being regarded by the public as irresponsible parents, they would now also be regarded as liars.

I don't believe the McCanns have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, but their selfish, negligent and irresponsible behavior sure opened the door wide for such a tragedy to happen.

jmo

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana, please don't misunderstand me. I completely agree with you that the children should not have been left alone. I have said that all along.
But from that point on I cannot put the blame anywhere but on the evil person who took Madeleine. And none of us yet have a clue who that is.
Hopefully for everyone's sanity we will find out soon.
Still hoping for a happy ending but sadly its not looking good.

I know I've already harped this issue into the ground, but parents are the first line of defense for children. Unless and until we hold them accountable when something like this happens to children, it won't hit home for alot of them until something like this happens to THEIR children. Okay, I'm climbing down off the soapbox now and will give it a rest.:blowkiss:

 

[CarpeDiem]

that part really bothers me. i cant help but think how scary it must have been for those babies to wake in a strange place all alone. a 3 year old in a darkened room in a strange place and nobody was there for her. i look at my kids and think how scared they would be if they woke in the middle of the night and i was gone. and mine are 8 and 12. then these sorry excuse for parents come back and find their baby crying and they leave her again the next night. to me it is just cruel.

And Criminal. :furious:

 

[Shazza]

<<I agree Reannon, Its because they left the children. They are being condemned because of what happened BEFORE Madeleine disappeared. >>

No, it's both...It's the statements "We were only eating in the garden" when in fact the garden was more than a football field away (with a pool in between).

It's the constant solicitation of funds...the lack of a private investigator funded by such funds...the constant travel and publicity tour while not traveling to places where there were significant sightings at the time of those sitings (Morocco, Belgium).

One of the grandparents is still in England collecting money at a fair booth...If they have that time on their hands, why sit and collect money instead of flying to Portugal and watching the twins?

What is the money going to do for them if it's not being used to find Madeleine? The money is not in a charitable fund, we can only presume is is the Gerry and Kate legal defense fund.

I posted a link from the media further back stating the the funds where not regisitered as a charity and where only helping in the case of Madelaine and no other missing children. Would love to see an itemised account as to how the money is being spent so far.

 

[docwho3]

Saturday, August 18
". . . Belgian police have identified a young girl thought last month to have been missing British four-year-old Madeleine McCann as the daughter of a Belgian man, news reports said on Saturday. . . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070818/tuk-uk-britain-madeleine-belgium-fa6b408_2.html
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Saturday, August 18 03:57 pm
". . . The only named suspect in the case in 33-year-old Briton Robert Murat who lives near to the hotel where the girl went missing. . . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070818/tuk-portugal-britain-crime-belgium-a7ad41d_1.html
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[Salem]

Saturday, August 18 03:57 pm
". . . The only named suspect in the case in 33-year-old Briton Robert Murat who lives near to the hotel where the girl went missing. . . ."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070818/tuk-portugal-britain-crime-belgium-a7ad41d_1.html
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From Doc's link, finally a UK source that says something other than "dining in the hotel complex" or "20 feet away" or some such nonsense (bolding is mine):

~snip~Her parents Kate and Gerry left Madeleine and her twin two-year-old siblings Sean and Amelie alone in the hotel suite where they were staying on the night the girl vanished while they dined at the hotel restaurant with friends.

Salem

 

[docwho3]

From Doc's link, finally a UK source that says something other than "dining in the hotel complex" or "20 feet away" or some such nonsense (bolding is mine):

~snip~Her parents Kate and Gerry left Madeleine and her twin two-year-old siblings Sean and Amelie alone in the hotel suite where they were staying on the night the girl vanished while they dined at the hotel restaurant with friends.

Salem

Thats all well and good but it still says there is only one named suspect so far in this investigation. I wonder why that is?

 

[Shazza]

Thats all well and good but it still says there is only one named suspect so far in this investigation. I wonder why that is?

They dont want any of the other suspects knowing they are on to them, so they will stay and the LE can corroborate the evidence that has not been made public to nab whomever is responisible. Thats my opinion. The LE are being very quiet about what they know, and when this new investigation is over and they have put the puzzles together, hopefully then we will know the truth.

 

[twinkiesmom]

<<I would not expect somebody to, nor do they have the right to break into somebody's apartment and steal their child.>>

It's hardly breaking in when you leave the windows and doors unlocked!

 

[docwho3]

They dont want any of the other suspects knowing they are on to them, so they will stay and the LE can corroborate the evidence that has not been made public to nab whomever is responisible. Thats my opinion. . ..

Sounds reasonable but then why did they bother to name murat as a suspect? They could have just kept all suspects in the dark until time to pounce on them.

 

[Shazza]

Sounds reasonable but then why did they bother to name murat as a suspect? They could have just kept all suspects in the dark until time to pounce on them.

It started to look like Murat was guilty in some way, but after their thorough search of his premises and car, the LE found nothing that pointed to Murat, so I think they are letting everyone believe he is the suspect whilst they gather new evidence and not let the new suspects know that they are being closely watched, or have evidence to support that someone else is involved

 

[Texana]

that part really bothers me. i cant help but think how scary it must have been for those babies to wake in a strange place all alone. a 3 year old in a darkened room in a strange place and nobody was there for her. i look at my kids and think how scared they would be if they woke in the middle of the night and i was gone. and mine are 8 and 12. then these sorry excuse for parents come back and find their baby crying and they leave her again the next night. to me it is just cruel.

Exactly. Even though nothing bad happened that first night they left the children alone, other than one child waking and crying, they had to know it was upsetting to the child. It was not a five minute or ten or even fifteen minute wait for the child, it was a long period of time for a child, crying and crying in the dark, with no answer.

That's just cruel. So whatever else the McCanns were and are, you can add "completely indifferent" to their children's fear or trauma at being left alone.

There's a line from F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby that seems to sum up the McCanns to me: "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy -- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made" (188).

 

[CarpeDiem]

I find it interesting that as soon as the reports about the twins being questioned was circulating last week, the McCann's decide it's time to tell them the truth that Maddie is missing.

Now, they say they are preparing to leave Portugal. I'll be watching to see if the PJ allows them to leave with this case so in question. Will they charge them with the neglect just to hold them there??

And I miss colomom!

 

[Salem]

They dont want any of the other suspects knowing they are on to them, so they will stay and the LE can corroborate the evidence that has not been made public to nab whomever is responisible. Thats my opinion. The LE are being very quiet about what they know, and when this new investigation is over and they have put the puzzles together, hopefully then we will know the truth.

Shazza - I think you are absolutely right. The PLE appear to be quite "wiley" or "foxish" when it comes to this investigation. They certainly do not proceed in a manner I am used to here in the States.

From reading the many media accounts, it really appears that they (PLE) "leak" information when it suits them, they withold information when it suits them, and the rest of the time, it sounds as if they are intermixing with the small community trying to gather additional information.

Some accounts seem to imply that the PLE knew a renter was in the apartment and cut/hurt himself somehow well before any DNA tests were expected. So I don't think the PLE ever expected the DNA to show anything, however, they continued to "play it up" so to speak and kept the information about the subsequent renter quiet until the forensic tests came back. I really think they are trying to scare a "rabbit out of the brush."

The information about Mrs. Fenn is interesting also. It has been reported since early on that Maddie had been crying for her dad one night. But it is only in the last few days that it was revealed that the person who complained was Mrs. Fenn.

Also, if I remember correctly - the information about Maddie crying on a previous night came from one of the Portugese newspapers. Another thing to keep in mind when reading these media accounts.

Salem

 

[Morag]

Apparently the six fresh pieces of evidence include one from a beach near Praia da luz.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16732/Maddy:-DNA-shock


The fresh evidence, which is being examined for DNA, has been gathered from vehicles seized by the police and a beach...
It is also understood that forensics officers are examining a small amount of evidence collected from a beach near to Praia da Luz, leading to speculation that the little girl could have been killed and her body dumped in the sea.

I'm thinking that they must have a source who has told them some real details about what happened to Madeleine. How likely is it that they would randomly find a small amount of evidence from one of the many beaches around the area? Or could the pajamas ("oh,no, those aren't Madeleines'') which were found on a beach months ago be an important clue?

 

[Salem]

And I miss colomom!

You know who else seems to be missing? Calikid - wonder where she got off too? I hope where ever it is, she is having a great time! Colomom too!

It's good to get away every once in awhile.

Salem

PS - that's not to say that everyone else is not appreciated. You all are, it is just that Colomom and Calikid keep us updated with all the Portugese news, other blog/thread news, etc.

 

[Thrs0806]

Exactly. Even though nothing bad happened that first night they left the children alone, other than one child waking and crying, they had to know it was upsetting to the child. It was not a five minute or ten or even fifteen minute wait for the child, it was a long period of time for a child, crying and crying in the dark, with no answer.

That's just cruel. So whatever else the McCanns were and are, you can add "completely indifferent" to their children's fear or trauma at being left alone.

There's a line from F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby that seems to sum up the McCanns to me: "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy -- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made" (188).

I totally agree here. My heart is breaking to hear that Maddie was left alone crying out for Daddy for over an hour on a previous night. That poor baby, the fear she must have felt!!!!! It must have traumized her and sadly, I think it may have lead to her death.

It had to have made her very anxious the next night and afraid they would do it again. I think that she was acting out and voicing her fear to her parents. I have a 4 year old grandson who is one week older than Maddie, he turned 4 April 29th, and if he is scared or upset about something he lets us know. In my humble opinion, I think that G or K either lost their temper with Maddie that night and something terrible happened or they drugged her to make sure she didn't wake up again and it she overdosed.

I truly tried to believe the parents in the beginning but after 100 + days of this case - it just keeps pointing back to the parents carelessness with their children. I think the neighbors report of Kate heard that night repeating "we've fail her" very telling also. Why is she not still running around calling out for her daugther?? Looking in every corner for the 2nd time?? Asking people if they have seen her??? Why has she already accepted the fact that they have failed her? Where is that parents hope that any second she is going to to be found safe sleeping in a little hiding space? (Yes, I know that moment of fear - my son sleep walks and I once found him under the kitchen sink sound asleep after fanticly searching and calling for him for over 20 minutes). Point being, I was so scared to my core and maddly searching for my son that I didn't have time to blame myself.

 

[CarpeDiem]

PS - that's not to say that everyone else is not appreciated. You all are, it is just that Colomom and Calikid keep us updated with all the Portugese news, other blog/thread news, etc.

Yeah, they sure do. I don't even know how they find the stuff they do. They are net detectives of the highest order.

I'm pretty sure cali was here earlier.

:blowkiss:

 

[docwho3]

We need to back up and look at how this thread sounds, a sad state of events indeed. I had a post made up to illustrate it but it used some satire and I think it would have been ill received by some . . . . . but people just stop and think carefully please.

 

[Salem]

We need to back up and look at how this thread sounds, a sad state of events indeed. I had a post made up to illustrate it but it used some satire and I think it would have been ill received by some . . . . . but people just stop and think carefully please.

Doc - you may have a point here. I agree that sometimes it seems we may be over reacting to some of the things that are published in the media or found on other threads/blogs, etc.

However, most of us have been posting in regards to this case since it happened. In the beginning I think the majority of us tried our best to be supportative of the parents and to watch what we said. As the time dragged on and Maddie remained missing and the initial lies told by the family and friends came to light, the tone of this thread did change, but that change was in resonse to the reality we were seeing.

I understand that typically in a case such as this, where there is a missing child, you would be supportative of the parents, but this is not a typical case, in my opinion. As more and more information becomes available, it is harder and harder to find a reason to support the parents.

We all support Maddie. We all want her found and returned to those that love her. However, if she is found alive, I believe it would be in Maddie's best interest that her parents are sent to "parenting" school before Maddie is returned to them.

I, for one, and I think there are at least a few others on here, would very much like to see my (our) theories and opinions proved wrong. A few of us have agreed to bake a crow pie (I have lots of crows here, where I live) and eat our share for some of the things we have said and thought.:crazy:

But I won't apologize. I firmly believe that the very best thing the McCanns could do for their daughter is tell the truth. The PLE and/or the British LE would have a much better chance of finding her if they knew exactly what happened and who had access to her that night. As it is, they can't even get their timeline straight. How is that helpful?

While I admit to getting somewhat emotional about this case, I do still think I can be objective and like I said, I would be very happy to be proven wrong.

Salem