Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 22

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

This is just my opinion. With this being such a public case and having had so much controversary I feel confident that any actions taken by Portogese LE is being done with the highest integreity. They must be doting all their I's and Crossing their T's. Therfore, I have to conlude that they are not extending the McCanns status simply because they want to. They must have good documented reason to do so. Aside from having the public breahing down their neck, they have the McCanns lawyers and there own government watching them. No way could they have taken an action like this exstension of status simply because they wanted more time. They absolutly must have justification for wanting the more time.

mjak

Your oppenion is very observant, I couldn't agree more.


Why would an entire country's law enforcement personnel risk their integrity, jobs, their country's tourism industry, NOT TO MENTION their family securities (income) and reputation just to try and pin Madeleine's disappearance on Kate and Gerry?? What would they have to gain by that? WHAT???

I've said this before, and I'll say it again...There are thousands of unsolved missing children's cases all over the world. The fact the PJ cannot find Madeleine does not make them bad cops. If that were the case, then basically every metropolitan police force would be considered bad. What would make them bad cops is giving up, and blending into the woodwork.

 

[Rhett]

You know, I don't give a fig about who the McCann's trust or don't trust! I just know that if it were my child I would be giving them whatever they wanted and cooperating anyway possible to find my child. Even if it meant they suspected me and threw my azz in jail!!! Unless I was guilty. This does reek of the Ramsey's. Just my opinion of course.

 

[mjak]

You know, I don't give a fig about who the McCann's trust or don't trust! I just know that if it were my child I would be giving them whatever they wanted and cooperating anyway possible to find my child. Even if it meant they suspected me and threw my azz in jail!!! Unless I was guilty. This does reek of the Ramsey's. Just my opinion of course.

This sums up my feelings exactly. Can you imagine if all the time, money and energy the McCanns have spent on lawyers, PR people and self promotion and noncompliance was put toward finding Maddie? Maybe she would no longer be missing. Just an observation.

mjak

 

[Barnaby]

This sums up my feelings exactly. Can you imagine if all the time, money and energy the McCanns have spent on lawyers, PR people and self promotion and noncompliance was put toward finding Maddie? Maybe she would no longer be missing. Just an observation.

mjak

Agree about the huge amount of money they have spent on protecting themselves. Sadly I don't think any amount of money would bring Madeleine back!

 

[mjak]

Agree about the huge amount of money they have spent on protecting themselves. Sadly I don't think any amount of money would bring Madeleine back!

No I don't think she is alive anymore. I think it would be wonderful is she could be found so she can be buried in the light of humanity as opposed to be destined to remain forever in humanitys deepest darkest depths. Whatever happened to her she most deffinilty not in the light and that is not acceptable to me.

mjak

 

[Barnaby]

No I don't think she is alive anymore. I think it would be wonderful is she could be found so she can be buried in the light of humanity as opposed to be destined to remain forever in humanitys deepest darkest depths. Whatever happened to her she most deffinilty not in the light and that is not acceptable to me.

mjak

Sadly, I agree mjak, I don't think that Madeleine is alive anymore but I so wish that she could have a Christian burial in accordance with the religion that she was born into but that her parents used & abused for their own gain!

 

[Texana]

No I don't think she is alive anymore. I think it would be wonderful is she could be found so she can be buried in the light of humanity as opposed to be destined to remain forever in humanitys deepest darkest depths. Whatever happened to her she most deffinilty not in the light and that is not acceptable to me.

mjak

Agreed.

I believe, however, that as with so many missing children and those who never really have a chance to live, or suffered so much in their mortal lives while they were here on earth, that God is far more compassionate and loving to them for eternity than we can ever imagine.

If Madeleine is not living, then I truly believe she is in the Light as expressed by Jesus ("I am the light of the world") and not in darkness, even though we in our human nature do not know what happened to her, or where her remains might be.

I also believe that this at the heart of the McCanns' confusing and contradictory statements. No matter what part they played in Madeleine's very likely demise, either by neglect or direct action, they are aware of where she is in reality, and their words reflect this. That God takes care of Madeleine without respect to her parents' actions is no different than what He does forever and ever into eternity, for all children who suffer from the actions and decisions of adults who control their lives.

Sorry to go all religious and freaky on you, my peeps, I just wanted to remind myself that while I would feel so much better knowing what happened to Madeleine...I also must acknowledge that if she has passed, she cannot feel any better than she does right now, with the Father who will never leave her.

:blowkiss:

 

[Barnaby]

Texana, I have no doubt that Madeleine is in a better place now. However I know that you agree that does not excuse the monsters who deprived her of the right to grow up in this world for better or worse, she deserved that chance!

 

[colomom]

My friends....these last few post have made me realize that most of us (here and everywhere) are compassionate souls and we believe that a child deserves to be properly memorialized and remembered by those that love them and laid to rest gently and with kindness.

Maddie was robbed of that right. No matter what happened to her, and I do believe that she has passed, she should be remembered for the sweet gentle spirit that she was and should be allowed a proper resting place.

If the McCanns had a hand in this madness then I believe that they will suffer for it. Maybe not on our timeline and maybe not the way we think they should suffer but they will have to answer to God. I have no doubt of this.

....and I will be watching.

:blowkiss: to all of you, my friends and Maddie's heroes.

 

[Texana]

Texana, I have no doubt that Madeleine is in a better place now. However I know that you agree that does not excuse the monsters who deprived her of the right to grow up in this world for better or worse, she deserved that chance!

Absolutely!

I just have to remind myself now and then that just because I do not know where Madeleine is, does not mean that she is necessarily suffering or truly lost and unknown.

I know that for those of us who have children, the thought that our children would be left somewhere forgotten, discarded--it is unbearable. It is what perhaps drives the parents of missing children long after hope has faded to a dim light, to make sure their children receive what every human being deserves, a decent resting place and memorial among the living.

It reminds me of my friend who lost a toddler suddenly at age two (he had a undiagnosed bowel obstruction) she makes sure he has a wreath on his grave at all seasons, and updates it often. She said, "I just want to make sure there is one place on earth where his name is remembered."

We have to be that for Madeleine.

As Colomom said, those who have hurt Madeleine will answer for it someday, in this world, or the next.

 

[Barnaby]

Absolutely!

I just have to remind myself now and then that just because I do not know where Madeleine is, does not mean that she is necessarily suffering or truly lost and unknown.

I know that for those of us who have children, the thought that our children would be left somewhere forgotten, discarded--it is unbearable. It is what perhaps drives the parents of missing children long after hope has faded to a dim light, to make sure their children receive what every human being deserves, a decent resting place and memorial among the living.

It reminds me of my friend who lost a toddler suddenly at age two (he had a undiagnosed bowel obstruction) she makes sure he has a wreath on his grave at all seasons, and updates it often. She said, "I just want to make sure there is one place on earth where his name is remembered."

We have to be that for Madeleine.

As Colomom said, those who have hurt Madeleine will answer for it someday, in this world, or the next.

I am so very sorry for your friend Texana, how dreadful!

Agree that there should be a place where anyone can be remembered, shocking that little Madeleine's body was so well disposed of that noone can find, remembering "Find the body & prove that we did it" sends shivers through my spine!

I hope the truth will be revealed in this life, so many of us really need to know what happened to that child!

 

[SleuthMom]

What it really gets to me is the coldness of how they treated Maddie's disappearance from day one. Let's assume it was an accident, she fell or someone hit her too hard, you name it and they freaked out..if it TRULY was an accident, wouldn't they show at least some remorse, some sort of feeling at all? The fact that they DO NOT, it makes me assume something horrible: That her death was not an accident but the result of a violent parent.

 

[SleuthMom]

I know that for those of us who have children, the thought that our children would be left somewhere forgotten, discarded--it is unbearable.

Oh my gosh, you are so right. I am a mom of three children and just thinking about it makes me upset and want to cry! NO MATTER where we come from, loving parents would be desperate in a situation like this and they COULD NOT, I repeat COULD NOT hide those emotions even if they tried.

 

[Shazza]

My friends....these last few post have made me realize that most of us (here and everywhere) are compassionate souls and we believe that a child deserves to be properly memorialized and remembered by those that love them and laid to rest gently and with kindness.

Maddie was robbed of that right. No matter what happened to her, and I do believe that she has passed, she should be remembered for the sweet gentle spirit that she was and should be allowed a proper resting place.

If the McCanns had a hand in this madness then I believe that they will suffer for it. Maybe not on our timeline and maybe not the way we think they should suffer but they will have to answer to God. I have no doubt of this.

....and I will be watching.

:blowkiss: to all of you, my friends and Maddie's heroes.

Great post Colomom, I have been missing for a while, so am trying to catch up on the Maddie case, but looks like nothing new has happened, still more to read though, if anyone can give me a quick heads up I would appreciate it greatly.
Prayers for beautiful Madelaine.

 

[colomom]

More contradictions....lovely .

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176&page=12

 

[colomom]

Shazza...so nice to see you.

A quickie update, eh? Let's see.....

The latest news is the one I just posted above regarding members of the T7 breaking ranks, apparently. We have been hearing "rumblings" about certain people changing stories and such.

Recently it was officially announced that the PJ are investigating the possibility of abduction, homicide, abandonment, exposure to serious harm and concealing a corpse.

There was a story about 18 text messages sent/rec'v by GM on May 2nd/3rd that the PJ wanted to use as evidence. The judge denied this request due to privacy issues.

The McCanns and the T7 were asked to return to PDL for a reconstruction of the night of May 3rd. They all declined. Reasons were reported as work issues and fear of becoming arguidos.

There have been recent reports of the possibility of a 10th Tapas member who the PJ want to expose. So far, nothing concrete.

I think that is about it on the latest.

Don't be a stranger.... :blowkiss:

 

[Morag]

Thanks, Heather, for posting this. I had always hoped that Dianne Webster would be the one incorruptible witness in this case, but lately I had feared that she would protect her kids. I am wondering, and will check it out later, if this "secret" visit was before or after the official visit - the one where the witnesses with water bottles are shown in the picture. If after, then PJ would have the advantage of knowing what version of what happened that O'Brien, Oldfield and others gave. And if no one ever checked up on the kids, that would explain Webster's calm demeanor. Like most experienced parents, she would have assumed that an unwatched child had wandered out... This case stinks so bad!

 

[Texana]

Hmm. Finally got around to reading the latest Portuguese press article--

Extremely key and significant information, if Diane Webster indeed said that none of the families checked on the other children.

It means that half of the group is lying.

The question is, why would they lie? So much easier to just go with the "wandered off" line of thinking?

And the calm demeanor of Diane Webster has been consistently talked about since the beginning.

 

[Morag]

It means that half of the group is lying

Including the McCanns, then 66 2/3 of the group are lying-( or 33 1/3, anyway, if you choose to believe the McCann cadre rather than the Webster/Payne group.)


I came across this site earlier- we used to get a lot of info from it early on, and the stuff is still interesting:

http://www.geocities.com/hallsofmirrors/SOL.html

It sounds as though only Fiona Payne, Russell O'Brien and Rachel Oldfield were called back to confront Murat in July, and they apparently confronted Murat on July 11.

Fiona Payne, her mother Dianne Webster, and the husband David Payne. Are the main trumps of the Public Ministry that will lead the parents of Madeleine McCann, the missing girl, on the 3rd of May of 2007, from an apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve, to be accused of the crimes of exposition and abandonment since they left the girl alone in that critical night. It is a crime that is punishable up to ten years of prison and allows the respective preventive arrests, like 24horas announced last week.

These three witnesses returned to Portugal, on the 11th of July of 2007, in a travel paid by the Portuguese State,

This makes it sound as though O'Brien and Oldfield didn't know the others were there, at least not Webster and David. I wonder if Fiona was already cooperating with PJ to the extent that she would pretend to confront Murat...
The fact that just those three, who didn't know Murat, would see him at the hotel that night, and lots of others, who knew Murat well didn't see him...just another one of the things that don't ring true.

 

[Barnaby]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...go-on-holiday-a-year-after-disappearance.html

McCanns to go on holiday!

The poor twins! Will they be safe?