Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[C.greek]

What were the crimes? Please explain what these SA offences were.

The first offence received no custodial sentence and the second two - he served approximately a year or less.

It’s a fact that on the spectrum of sex offences, these are at the minor end.

He was underage the first times. Also the severity of a sexual abuse of a child is so difficult to know unless the child speaks up, which rarely very rarely happens at the time and they live with the trauma forever


In 1994, when he was just 17, Christian Brueckner was convicted in his homeland of Germany of sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child.

He molested a six-year-old girl in a playground in Wurzburg, Bavaria, only stopping when she began to scream and cry, a youth court heard.

Brueckner then 'dropped his trousers' at a nine-year-old boy before fleeing the scene.

The vile playground attack earned him a two-year youth sentence, of which he only served part, before fleeing to Portugal.


2017

In June 2017, Brueckner was arrested again and convicted for 'sexual abuse of a child in the act of creating and possessing child pornographic material'.

He was returned to Germany for a sentence of 15 months, but after his release he found himself homeless and said he felt persecuted by the police who followed his every move, even as he slept on a park bench.

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[Megnut]

Childhood sexual trauma/exposure can have lifelong repercussions. Ask anyone who has endured it.

Minimized by society for far too long. It  isca life sentence for victims.

I haven't seen what evidence LE has, toward prosecuting CB all the way to a conviction, but IMO if there remains very little evidence to use against him, it's not like there's a wealth of evidence to charge somebody else. There's just not a lot of evidence.

No DNA that we know of, no fingerprints, no cctv, no BERLA reports. All functions of the calendar. The technology just wasn't there, not even hotel keycard data.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it.

JMO

 

[frank-cole]

IMO this is just to spice things up and keep defocus. This case is more than closed and proven with DNA! Accept and accept.

Let's now hope BKA can get something relevant from these searches, hope (in that sense) they have a photo and still add weight to what they already have to charge him. Difficult but maybe not impossible.

imo Juta is on point, digital evidence being dismissed in court creates obstacle in MM case.
It could be that someone who’s photographed a murder he comitted walks free in September. Unfathomable!

It may be that by not allowing the digital evidence in the previous trial the judge has put a vulnerable person at risk. Sadly (if he’s released) we’ll all know who that vulnerable person is within the next 12-18 months. Safeguarding the public is key.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

We should not be comparing crimes based on the sentences received! The trauma that sexual abuse of children leaves is not reflected in any sentencing. And if you seriously think that having paedophilic tendencies and fantasies is okay and minor, I rest my case. It is not only my opinion that CB is vile, evil, and a dangerous psychopath. It was a court psychiatrist who said that and I doubt he based that only on the DM rape. It is his whole personality reflected in his emails, chat exchanges, photos he had in his possession, etc.

You have stated your opinion of CB several times, I understand it.

I am not defending him. I think he is terrible too - I’ve repeated this ad infinitum.

However, the severity of crimes can be compared it happens in the legal system every day. Rape is worse than public exposure and that is the legal position, and it’s also my opinion.

Respectfully, I am just evaluating crimes without emotion or empathy for the victims. Not because I don’t have any but rather to make a valid point.

I don’t think that CB’s record suggests he is an abductor and murderer of children. His record, as suggested by its name, is a factual representation of his criminal history. It’s not nonsense from The Olive Press or other chip wrappers.

If you read his record and see something else, that’s because we’re different - I respect your opinion.

 

[C.greek]

You have stated your opinion of CB several times, I understand it.

I am not defending him. I think he is terrible too - I’ve repeated this ad infinitum.

However, the severity of crimes can be compared it happens in the legal system every day. Rape is worse than public exposure and that is the legal position, and it’s also my opinion.

Respectfully, I am just evaluating crimes without emotion or empathy for the victims. Not because I don’t have any but rather to make a valid point.

I don’t think that CB’s record suggests he is an abductor and murderer of children. His record, as suggested by its name, is a factual representation of his criminal history. It’s not nonsense from The Olive Press or other chip wrappers.

If you read his record and see something else, that’s because we’re different - I respect your opinion.

Do you respect the psychiatrist's medical opinion ?

 

[RichardKimble]

OK, then as commentators we two have reached an understanding. The crime scene photos neither implicate nor exonerate the prime suspect. In any case I’m not sure of the relevance of bringing them up in the context of the recent discussion concerning CB.

Well at some stage it's not a stretch to say that the BKA will surely have to explain how MM left 5a, for sure the defence will raise it, crime scene photos don't support the window exit.

 

[Versus]

I honestly don’t think you can say based on their criminal record of crimes type a,b and c that it’s unlikely a criminal committed crime type d. That just doesn’t make sense to me, especially not when crime type d may contain elements of crimes type a,b and c also.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Childhood sexual trauma/exposure can have lifelong repercussions. Ask anyone who has endured it.

Minimized by society for far too long. It  isca life sentence for victims.

I haven't seen what evidence LE has, toward prosecuting CB all the way to a conviction, but IMO if there remains very little evidence to use against him, it's not like there's a wealth of evidence to charge somebody else. There's just not a lot of evidence.

No DNA that we know of, no fingerprints, no cctv, no BERLA reports. All functions of the calendar. The technology just wasn't there, not even hotel keycard data.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it.

JMO

What means he did do it? That is a much more important to understand.

 

[Megnut]

Well at some stage it's not a stretch to say that the BKA will surely have to explain how MM left 5a, for sure the defence will raise it, crime scene photos don't support the window exit.

Why would he go out the window when he could walk out a door?

 

[RichardKimble]

I honestly don’t think you can say based on their criminal record of crimes type a,b and c that it’s unlikely a criminal committed crime type d. That just doesn’t make sense to me, especially not when crime type d may contain elements of crimes type a,b and c also.

Ok take d as abduction and murder, what crime in your category of a,b, and c leads to d?

 

[Davieson]

Childhood sexual trauma/exposure can have lifelong repercussions. Ask anyone who has endured it.

Minimized by society for far too long. It  isca life sentence for victims.

I haven't seen what evidence LE has, toward prosecuting CB all the way to a conviction, but IMO if there remains very little evidence to use against him, it's not like there's a wealth of evidence to charge somebody else. There's just not a lot of evidence.

No DNA that we know of, no fingerprints, no cctv, no BERLA reports. All functions of the calendar. The technology just wasn't there, not even hotel keycard data.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it.

JMO

Equally it doesn't mean he did

Without a trial we shall never know.
With a trial, we shall at least know the information that the prosecution has based their case on.

 

[RichardKimble]

Why would he go out the window when he could walk out a door?

What supports that?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Do you respect the psychiatrist's medical opinion ?

I already provided a response to that.

Without having read the report, I can’t say that I respect but the doctor is an expert. He works at a facility that rehabilitates male criminals with substance abuse issues. His report suggests that CB is in the top 2% of criminals compared with a sample of 1,000 other offenders.

As a headline, it’s bad but it depends on the background and offending patterns of the sample. I’m not trying to wriggle out of it, this is the right response. Academics are human, they have biases and this doctor was a prosecution witness… it would be good to see an independent review.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

imo Juta is on point, digital evidence being dismissed in court creates obstacle in MM case.
It could be that someone who’s photographed a murder he comitted walks free in September. Unfathomable!

It may be that by not allowing the digital evidence in the previous trial the judge has put a vulnerable person at risk. Sadly (if he’s released) we’ll all know who that vulnerable person is within the next 12-18 months. Safeguarding the public is key.

Yes.
I hope BKA can keep him in longer.
If he leaves, can he be "controlled" in some way?
It will be harder for him when out here even within drug and criminal circles he was in.
How will he subsist when hiding? Before he, irretrievably, offend again.

 

[Versus]

Ok take d as abduction and murder, what crime in your category of a,b, and c leads to d?

Crimes of a sexual and predatory nature towards young children, theft.

 

[frank-cole]

Equally it doesn't mean he did

Without a trial we shall never know.
With a trial, we shall at least know the information that the prosecution has based their case on.

IMO we’ll find out that evidence either way.

There isn’t an equal likelihood ‘either way’, this isn’t akin to a coin flip. The trick is to rationalise information & then take things into wider context.

 

[Davieson]

Yes.
I hope BKA can keep him in longer.
If he leaves, can he be "controlled" in some way?
It will be harder for him when out here even within drug and criminal circles he was in.
How will he subsist when hiding? Before he, irretrievably, offend again.

Unless he has a stash of cash somewhere, unlikely as he seems unable to pay a 'get out of jail'fine, he is likely to revert to petty crime in order to survive.
Indulging in abuse, child or adult, is likely to be low down on his list of priories.

 

[frank-cole]

Yes.
I hope BKA can keep him in longer.
If he leaves, can he be "controlled" in some way?
It will be harder for him when out here even within drug and criminal circles he was in.
How will he subsist when hiding? Before he, irretrievably, offend again.

Yes. If news of a terrorist who has a history of wanting to seriously hurt children was given the all clear for release, how would people react? Would he be allowed to fly? Would people be online advocating for him & minimising his previous attacks?

A man who wants to sexually assault & harm children is as much a risk as that terrorist, if not slightly more.

So why the difference in behaviour & rhetoric?

It’s because that terrorist isn’t the sole prime suspect in the MM case.

 

[Davieson]

IMO we’ll find out that evidence either way.

There isn’t an equal likelihood ‘either way’, this isn’t akin to a coin flip. The trick is to rationalise information & then take things into wider context.

Is there precedence for such in the German legal system ?

 

[frank-cole]

Is there precedence for such in the German legal system ?

HCW confirmed the evidence results would be released.