Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[aa9511]

No, i heard the head of immersat on Anderson coopers hour or two, they used a whole new way of crunching numbers, never done before and then sent it out to be vetted and verified, it totally ruled out the northern Indian Ocean and put it in the southern indian ocean away from any possible landing sites. New data not old

But I guess if they were crunching the numbers from their original data, that would just be the same original data, not new data. Just new way of analyzing the data? That's kind of what it sounded like to me. I can see why there is confusion with the "new data."

 

[dotr]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNplLp6GFJ0"]Inmarsat used Doppler effect to determine the missing MH370 final location - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Wolf Blitzer is now anchoring CNN's continuing coverage about latest developments in disappearance of MH370.

 

[Isabelle]

Hair raising and disgusting. We world citizens should speak up and take action to stop this! I don't know how but will research this. I am sickened by what I have read. In every sample of H2O taken in a study, there was plastic content. Sickening.

Agree. And, no ship should be allowed to dump anything in the oceans!

 

[popsicle]

On BBC they're saying the data shows it flying at around 33,000ft and on a steady heading probably autopilot.

Once it passed over Malaysia and into the water, right?

 

[Nymeria]

Hair raising and disgusting. We world citizens should speak up and take action to stop this! I don't know how but will research this. I am sickened by what I have read. In every sample of H2O taken in a study, there was plastic content. Sickening.

O/T-

Have you seen the Pacific version Boods?

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/oceans/pollution/trash-vortex/

The Trash Vortex
The trash vortex is an area the size of Texas in the North Pacific in which an estimated six kilos of plastic for every kilo of natural plankton, along with other slow degrading garbage, swirls slowly around like a clock, choked with dead fish, marine mammals, and birds who get snared. Some plastics in the gyre will not break down in the lifetimes of the grandchildren of the people who threw them away.

:facepalm: humanity.

 

[cady]

I understand this b/c without any proof, how can they just take their word?

just heard on CNN that China isn't quite buying it a conclusive, either. I hope that there IS proof positive and that we just haven't been told yet. (Maybe human remains?) I really don't want to find out that they announced this conclusion early, just to swat away the grieving families.........JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

According to Dr. Simon Boxall, an oceanographer who has conducted decades of satellite work, the analysis involved experts working around the clock to find another angle from their data. Until this breakthrough, these "pings" had only shown two large arc-shaped search areas stretching from Kazakhstan to the southern reaches of the Indian Ocean.

"Engineers have been racking their brains and working day and night to find a way to use this data to show, not just the large arcs, but the exact location along it where the last ping was recorded," said Boxall, who has years of experience working with companies including Inmarsat.

The pings from the Boeing 777 were designed to convey information about the aircraft's technical status to be analyzed by engineers. "This has never been used to find a missing plane because there has been no reason to use it — until now," he said.

Boxall said the process was made harder because this part of the Indian Ocean is one of the most remote regions on the planet in terms of satellite coverage.

"Most of the satellite images we have received have been gathered by satellites which have had their look angle directed on this area" since the plane went missing.

He said the location meant that the region might be photographed by a satellite as infrequently as once a month.

The U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch refused to comment because the search was a "live investigation" being led by the Malaysian authorities. Inmarsat was not available for comment.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...70-search-continues-amid-tragic-update-n60516

 

[aa9511]

just heard on CNN that China isn't quite buying it a conclusive, either. I hope that there IS proof positive and that we just haven't been told yet. (Maybe human remains?) I really don't want to find out that they announced this conclusion early, just to swat away the grieving families.........JMO

There are just almost even more questions now, IMO.

Then there's this thing about maybe descending to 12,000 feet? That kind of makes me think, well ok maybe there really were trying to land at an airport?

But then there are also reports that then the plane went back up to 29.500 feet, IIRC.

And Richard Quest on CNN saying that for the plane to make it all the way to where it (possibly) did, then the plane would have to have been going at a higher altitude. So meaning someone put the plane back up to the higher altitude.

I go back to my "test run theory" - that hijackers did this for a test run. To test out whatever they wanted to test out. Maybe getting through security? Maybe using shoe bombs to get into the cockpit? Maybe be able to navigate b/w two countries' ATC in order to fool everyone? Maybe how to take over the cockpit? How to disable the pilots and possibly the passengers and thus make it possible for the hijackers to take over the plane? If this was really teorrist hijacking, there are about a million things that were tested on this flight.

What if their entire plan was to "test" these things out and then, like some others have said, to make the plan go to a remote place where they knew it would be hard to find. IDK. Maybe they don't want the black box to be found.

JMO.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Scrolling on CNN ~ words of American Sarah Bajc partner of passenger Philip Wood

I still feel his presence, so perhaps it was his soul all along.

Acceptance is difficult because there is no confirmed wreckage.

I need closure to be certain but can't keep on ... against all odds.

-------------------------------------
Sarah, the composure you have shown during this harrowing time is admirable.
You are representing Americans well. May you keep on with the same strength and grace you have shown the world is within you. You are special.

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

As far as the transcript is concerned, the technical committee is considering releasing it and we will keep you informed about the decision.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

 

[newone]

It's hard to determine whether or not the crash site ((??)) or debris field is within Australia's 200 mile limit.

If Australia finds the black box does it mean that the Australian Aviation Authority will analyze it first?

 

[aa9511]

And another thing is:

-If it went on Southern arc, we see on the map that from the point of last military radar, how did it get to the 8:11 Southern arc point without going over Indonesian radar? So did Indonesia radar catch the plane on its radar (after reviewing its radar, or not)? They MUST have seen it, retroactively, on its radar. Has Indonesia even released any of their radar information, either way, to the Malaysians?

More questions than answers.

-If mechanical failure, as others have said, how is it possible that it knocked out both pilots, and all crew members and passengers, but the plane was still able to fly and not go down?

JMO.

 

[popsicle]

David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM 1h https://twitter.com/FlightDKM

If crash site for #MH370 confirmed in international waters, Malaysia would remain lead investigator as state of registration.

 

[Boodles]

Wolf Blitzer <modsnip>. He wants the head of Inmarsat to state as a fact that the plane went down in the Indian Ocean. Surely Wolf is intelligent enough to know that this is a data analysis conclusion. The head of Inmarsat wasn't an eye witness. Way to get people riled up to promote controversy for the sake of ratings, Wolf. Idiot.

When they find debris, he will want a serial number stamp on a plane part for proof.

I didn't know we got 100% certainties in life other than we're born and we die. And taxes.

 

[newone]

David KaminskiMorrow &#8207;@FlightDKM 1h https://twitter.com/FlightDKM

If crash site for #MH370 confirmed in international waters, Malaysia would remain lead investigator as state of registration.

That was fast -- maybe he's one of our lurking guests -- thanks!

p.s. hopefully something will be found closer to Western Australia = faster answers for all the families

 

[CARIIS]

First have no issues with having been wrong trust me. Now CNN the imerstat guy is on interviewed his answers were just like PM were back to we cant confirm our best guess our info believes that in all liklihoood probably we hope we suspect we cant state for sure bla bla bla again

after all the world has been thro you think you find something you seend 425 planes , in stages, they circle they never let someones eyes off drop basketballs what ever

I will be off the the board ,for I guess maybe an hour or two , <modsnip>

but will be back after I find some !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then i am thinking they probably already have like a safety card , shoe or something like right now I hope

 

[cady]

RE 12,000ft.............Does anyone know if autopilot can change flight levels without input from pilots? Altitude had to be much higher to conserve fuel enough to get as far as it did. Seems as though it would indicate whether it was piloted by a person or not. If all were deceased, how could flight level change? And if it was being piloted and stabilized, then why not THEN try to land somewhere. Apologies for mumbo-jumbo! JMO

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

Reading at Malaysia Airlines site, it sounds like they've received some help from PR experts. I'm glad. I'm sure they were totally unprepared for the worldwide attention and scrutiny.

 

[Scottndianner]

O/T

In the mid to late 80's, my husband enlisted in the USN, was stationed in Guam and assigned to a supply ship in which was often deployed with a fleet. It was standard procedure for all of the boats to dump their trash overboard, once out to sea...that was over twenty years ago, no telling how long ocean dumping has been going on, and I'm fairly certain we are not the only country to have done this/still doing this?? It's outrageous, to say the least! And people scratch their heads wondering why hundreds of birds and fish are turning up dead? Wow! A mystery here...