Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[SilkySifaka]

And financially, this is costing a lot of money. Not that it is not worth it, but, this can't on forever, can it?

Air France went on for more than 2 years. For all sorts of reasons its vital they continue the search even though they will be adjusting assets. Whether a pilot suicide, a hijacking or mechanical error they need to know what the details of the plane are to avoid it happening again. It seems Australia is going to start billing which i think is fair enough, it should be a burden taken on by everyone I think that we are getting to the point they will bring families who want it over.

 

[ElleElle]

Navy divers searched the area near the signal - courtesy Australian Defence Force

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26917934

Divers?! How deep can divers go?

 

[Elley Mae]

Divers?! How deep can divers go?

With or with out assistance?

 

[ElleElle]

As I said above, we have a lot more now. The Australians are clearly as certain as they can be that ocean shield found the boxes and imo they were looking around there based on further info too to even be trailing that locator where they were.

Don't give up, this isn't the same as the satellite images, these frequencies are unique.

Yes, I posted this before I caught up on the threads.

I never lose hope, and I put all my trust in the Australians leading this SAR.

 

[PrairieWind]

Air France went on for more than 2 years. For all sorts of reasons its vital they continue the search even though they will be adjusting assets. Whether a pilot suicide, a hijacking or mechanical error they need to know what the details of the plane are to avoid it happening again. It seems Australia is going to start billing which i think is fair enough, it should be a burden taken on by everyone I think that we are getting to the point they will bring families who want it over.

Two years, but I think i heard that guy say that there was only about 10 weeks of actual "at sea" searching. the rest of the time was spent trying to get permission from various entities, and getting equipment assembled, etc.

 

[ElleElle]

Air France went on for more than 2 years. For all sorts of reasons its vital they continue the search even though they will be adjusting assets. Whether a pilot suicide, a hijacking or mechanical error they need to know what the details of the plane are to avoid it happening again. It seems Australia is going to start billing which i think is fair enough, it should be a burden taken on by everyone I think that we are getting to the point they will bring families who want it over.

BBM~ Who is going to get billed? I remember Swiss Air 111, Canadian taxpayers paid the SAR bill.

 

[PrairieWind]

BBM~ Who is going to get billed? I remember Swiss Air 111, Canadian taxpayers paid the SAR bill.

I assume Malaysia would pay.

 

[ElleElle]

I assume Malaysia would pay.

Yes, IMO, they should be held liable since it took them so long to report MH370 has dissapeared.

That is negligent.

 

[ElleElle]

With or with out assistance?

Found this:

Navy Diver Sets Record with 2,000 foot Dive

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,108883,00.html

“At 2,000 feet, I had topside turn off all the lights, and it was like a star show. The phosphorescence that was naturally in the water and in most of the sea life down there started to glow," Jackson said. "When I started to travel back up, all the lights looked like a shower of stars going down as I was coming up. It was the best ride in the world.”

 

[PrairieWind]

Yes, IMO, they should be held liable since it took them so long to report MH370 has dissapeared.

That is negligent.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Its just that its their plane and I assume they have asked for Australian's assistance.

 

[aa9511]

I would think two things would be of concern for me. One, why was this flight headed towards Australia and two, what was in that cargo hold? jmo

Yes.

One thing I have been thinking - we see on the various maps the point when this pinging sound was located. But on most of the maps, they have a straight line going from the last point of military contact by 370, straight to the pinging point.

However, sometimes on long or international flights, you see on the flight map that the plane actually goes in a more curved route, not just a straight line from Point A to Point B.

So I'm thinking, if some point in Australia was programmed into the auto-pilot, the route 370 would have taken from the South turn on the way to that point would have been more of a curved route? And thus wouldn't the estimation of the fuel spent be different than a straight-line route?

I'm sure the analysts have included all of that in their calculations.

It just makes me think how difficult it would be, really a miracle almost, to have located the exact location of the black boxes.

If these do turn out to be the black boxes, just wow. I mean I am just in awe.

I do hope this is it.

 

[aa9511]

Found this:

Navy Diver Sets Record with 2,000 foot Dive

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,108883,00.html

“At 2,000 feet, I had topside turn off all the lights, and it was like a star show. The phosphorescence that was naturally in the water and in most of the sea life down there started to glow," Jackson said. "When I started to travel back up, all the lights looked like a shower of stars going down as I was coming up. It was the best ride in the world.”

That sounds so scary and I could never, ever do that!! The thought of such deep water scares me!

 

[Momoffourboys]

Found this:

Navy Diver Sets Record with 2,000 foot Dive

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,108883,00.html

“At 2,000 feet, I had topside turn off all the lights, and it was like a star show. The phosphorescence that was naturally in the water and in most of the sea life down there started to glow," Jackson said. "When I started to travel back up, all the lights looked like a shower of stars going down as I was coming up. It was the best ride in the world.”

And that was a record set at 2,000 feet.
I believe Angus Houston said the depth is 4,500 meters (almost 15,000 feet, right?)

 

[ElleElle]

I don't think that has anything to do with it. Its just that its their plane and I assume they have asked for Australian's assistance.

I understand, I was typing out loud my opinion. I was just thinking if it was another country such as US, this would not have gone unnoticed that's all. :seeya:

 

[wfgodot]

Now what? I think I've ceased saying, "I think it's them this time." Is hope fading among the faithful?

 

[JerseyGirl]

"As hours pass our optimism is fading away, ever so slightly." - U.S. Navy Cmdr. William Marks

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/?hpt=hp_t1

 

[ElleElle]

Yes.

One thing I have been thinking - we see on the various maps the point when this pinging sound was located. But on most of the maps, they have a straight line going from the last point of military contact by 370, straight to the pinging point.

However, sometimes on long or international flights, you see on the flight map that the plane actually goes in a more curved route, not just a straight line from Point A to Point B.

So I'm thinking, if some point in Australia was programmed into the auto-pilot, the route 370 would have taken from the South turn on the way to that point would have been more of a curved route? And thus wouldn't the estimation of the fuel spent be different than a straight-line route?

I'm sure the analysts have included all of that in their calculations.

It just makes me think how difficult it would be, really a miracle almost, to have located the exact location of the black boxes.

If these do turn out to be the black boxes, just wow. I mean I am just in awe.

I do hope this is it.

BBM ~ I don't know how it all works, but it seems to me auto-pilot was enabled, and it got confused since it had no ground communication? It seems like the sharp turn indicates it was headed foe the nearest airstrip that can land MH370?

I hope aircraft are going to be equipped with GPS real soon.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Yes.

One thing I have been thinking - we see on the various maps the point when this pinging sound was located. But on most of the maps, they have a straight line going from the last point of military contact by 370, straight to the pinging point.

However, sometimes on long or international flights, you see on the flight map that the plane actually goes in a more curved route, not just a straight line from Point A to Point B.

So I'm thinking, if some point in Australia was programmed into the auto-pilot, the route 370 would have taken from the South turn on the way to that point would have been more of a curved route? And thus wouldn't the estimation of the fuel spent be different than a straight-line route?

I'm sure the analysts have included all of that in their calculations.

It just makes me think how difficult it would be, really a miracle almost, to have located the exact location of the black boxes.

If these do turn out to be the black boxes, just wow. I mean I am just in awe.

I do hope this is it.

Lots of work by lots of people in lots of countries all joining together. Inmarsat deserves heaps of kudos though getting them the arcs then the locations that were further refined by others.

 

[ElleElle]

And that was a record set at 2,000 feet.
I believe Angus Houston said the depth is 4,500 meters (almost 15,000 feet, right?)

Yes, that's why I was thinking what would a diver do? Maybe he equipped with sonar radar detection? And since a diver can go deeper than surface, they can get closer to the black box.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Now what? I think I've ceased saying, "I think it's them this time." Is hope fading among the faithful?

Not me, i think the search has been reenergized with the pings.