Man seen carrying diaper clad baby

[Kamille]

Have we been able to clarify if the wife said her husband was going to work or coming home? Did she give a definitive time?

 

[drinkitin]

I just can't believe both sightings. I could maybe believe one but not both. There is many reasons.

There is no way that someone would walk the long with an unclothed baby. First the reports say Lisa is around 30lbs, it gets very uncomfortable after just a short period carrying a baby around that long. (I know my 9month old is 21lbs). Also at 10months she is pretty mobile and can move and a squirmy baby is not fun to carry for a long distance.

Well lets say maybe the person stopped some where with baby Lisa for a break. Lisa most likely would be awake this whole time and would be hunger and very cranky if not feed/given bottle. By the time that second sighting happened that would be one fussy baby.

Lets say well she wasnt fussy because she was dead, well then the second sighting would have been hard to see Lisas face, Im not around dead bodies a lot but Im sure while carrying a dead body that the head would flop into the persons shoulder. (I hate talking about that)

If the person that took her didnt care enough to cloth her In October in the early morning when it is very cold. They didnt care to bring food or a bottle.

I could go on but this is getting long, to sum it up I just cant believe the second sighting.

 

[belimom]

Two separate sightings. 12:00 and 4:00

Thank you, Patty... I'm inclined to believe these sightings, then. Which really throws a wrench into my theory.

:fence:

 

[cluciano63]

I do think LE should probably address these sightings, either by stating they have been investigated and ruled out or that they need to speak to these witnesses further; something. The case is going to spin out of control, if it hasn't already.

 

[Patty G]

Am I the only one wondering when this guy with a baby became a black guy with a white baby?! I could have sworn back at the beginning that he was described as a white guy with a white baby! Just me? Bad memory? Just getting old lol?

It was reported a black male and a baby in an article; however never spoken by the witness on air for us to hear the words from her mouth.

So far haven't found "black male with a white baby".

Although he had no clues, one neighbor reportedly told police about seeing an African-American individual carrying a baby up the street around midnight

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/14/3208365/neighborhoods-trust-stability.html#ixzz1bR2BruC9

 

[JeannaT]

Have we been able to clarify if the wife said her husband was going to work or coming home? Did she give a definitive time?

Midnight, on the way to work. It's not clear if she was driving him to work or not. She does, in the more recent media, say "we seen" - that she also saw the man and baby.

 

[Codger]

Sorry to quote myself, but I'm confused. Are these two separate sightings, or is that what you guys are trying to figure out? I'm heavily medicated and sick with pertussis and my head just can't go back through all of these posts right now. I apologize, but can someone summarize what's being compared here? These different reported sightings? Seems to me there at at least two - 12:00am and 4:00am, correct?

TIA... :seeya:

One article stated 3 sightings or witnesses. Some are trying to determine if that was A) Husband + wife = 2 at once at 12am with MT being 3 at 4am or B) scenario A + another sighting unknown location or time making it 3. Or that's what I've fished out of the convo anyhow. I believe we all are in agreement there are at least 2 sightings reported 12am on a perpendicular st. to N. Lister and 4am up by NE 48th + Randolph. Both involve a man carrying an undressed baby, in only a diaper, 4am says man had on just a t-shirt (I'll assume with pants ). You are correct, as far as I can tell. Hope ya feel better soon!
all the above MOO.

 

[MamaK]

I don't think so, because the baby is said to have on only a diaper + it's 4am. Ya'll have 4am daycare in MO? I've never heard of such a thing, but that's JMO.

I'm in a military town, so yeah, our daycares keep some pretty weird hours. That would probably be odd anywhere else though. :waitasec:

 

[frankie069]

Two separate sightings. 12:00 and 4:00

I feel like both those times would make this not Lisa.. I cannot see DB going to bed before 12am. ( she apparently doesnt have very fun adult time if she is in bed that early JMO).. that time just seems to early for me. Secondly, 4am the police would have already been at the Irwin house and the police presence in that area should have been great with an Amber Alert being issued and a possible kidnapping. I am not saying there were no sighting, just that I find it hard to believe either of these would be Lisa, times just dont fit to me. Does anyone else feel this way. ???

EDIT: I might be wrong about the time, see the story changes but DB and LI didnt call the police right away right?? It was sometime after 4am that they called??

 

[JeannaT]

I do think LE should probably address these sightings, either by stating they have been investigated and ruled out or that they need to speak to these witnesses further; something. The case is going to spin out of control, if it hasn't already.

There's an article posted a page ago, bolded in red, stating LE has not discounted these tips and will be investigating. Published today.

Funny, they've had ALL this information by about the 11th of October - they've interviewed the witnesses - why sit on it if they've not discounted it? Why does it take going to the media to make LE take this a little more seriously? This is EXACTLY the type thing the public is so good at - confirming that yes they saw the man or they were driving through the area right then and saw nothing. OR, of course, hey that was me and here's the baby that's not Lisa.

 

[chieftess]

I could swear that somewhere I saw a video of her saying that her husband came home and told her about it... but you're right, in this video she speaks as if she saw it too. Maybe I misinterpreted it from the start?

I'll just need to observe it awhile and see how it plays out.

I saw a much different video on the first day, same woman. I think the media has edited the original interview and the one online now is not the one I remember. The first one I saw the woman said her husband was going to work, then came home and told her about it and "they" couldn't decide whether to call police or not. It was very early on Oct 4th and the coverage was live (I believe).
It stuck out to me because I thought it odd that the husband was on his way to work, but apparently went home to discuss with wife.

 

[Bon]

Since the second sighting was at a fairly busy intersection, I wonder if there's any video?

Walking/standing at a busy intersection with a baby clad only in a diaper in very chilly weather.............................he must have wanted to be noticed then......

 

[LancelotLink]

Here are the photos of the woman from 10/4 and from 10/21 using the links above.

IMO, it is the same woman.

I agree. Same ears and same mole or bump on nose. And three houses away or three houses down? Which did the reporter say? Coz, their house is three houses away as the crow flies.

 

[Donjeta]

I believe that someone may stick out if they are of one race and the child they are carrying is of another. I say that because I am white and my daughter is African American. We get lots of looks-not rude necessarily, but more inquisitive. I don't mind, as I understand that someone's immediate reaction may be that we are unrelated and need to kind of figure it out before realizing that we are, in fact, mother and daughter.

I would imagine that we stick out in a crowd and, if asked, one of the first things someone would say to describe us would be-the white lady with the black daughter. Like I said-I don't mind-variety is the spice of life and we love being unique!

I agree with you but even so, I think a black baby and a white baby are not that easily distinguishable from a distance if you just get a quick glimpse, a partial view of the baby, features obscured by the adult who carries it, seen in the dark from a moving vehicle. Identifying the race of the adult is easier.

 

[Kamille]

Midnight, on the way to work. It's not clear if she was driving him to work or not. She does, in the more recent media, say "we seen" - that she also saw the man and baby.

Thanks JennaT...do we have a link where she actually says midnight on the way to work?

 

[TheDuchess]

I don't think so, because the baby is said to have on only a diaper + it's 4am. Ya'll have 4am daycare in MO? I've never heard of such a thing, but that's JMO.

I am not in MO, but I wasn't thinking of an actual day care center, but more of a babysitter/in home daycare setting. Many people do that for people-and my nephew uses a lady who allows him to pick up and drop off at all kinds of odd hours based upon his work schedule (he works in a restaurant.)

I could also see a dad dropping off a baby in a diaper, as I know my own DH was famous for doing that! Drove me crazy. Put some clothes on the kid! But if the child was asleep like that and he didn't want to wake the baby, I could see a quick transport in the car for that reason.

I don't know-I can't make sense of the motorcycle guy sighting, but this seems more plausible than someone walking all that way in the middle of the night with a baby in just a diaper.

 

[JeannaT]

Thanks JennaT...do we have a link where she actually says midnight on the way to work?

In the link posted earlier, the reporter says it, by way of introducing the video of her speaking. I don't believe the witness herself says midnight.

 

[JeannaT]

I agree with you but even so, I think a black baby and a white baby are not that easily distinguishable from a distance if you just get a quick glimpse, a partial view of the baby, features obscured by the adult who carries it, seen in the dark from a moving vehicle. Identifying the race of the adult is easier.

The witnesses described seeing arms and legs - when I picture what that must have looked like, in the glare of headlights, it seems Lisa would almost look like dayglo white. To me, IDing the race of the adult might be a little harder - if it's a light skinned black man he might actually be Native American or Mexican, Asian, Indian, or very tan caucasian. (Obviously a very dark Black man would be easier to ID)

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I saw a much different video on the first day, same woman. I think the media has edited the original interview and the one online now is not the one I remember. The first one I saw the woman said her husband was going to work, then came home and told her about it and "they" couldn't decide whether to call police or not. It was very early on Oct 4th and the coverage was live (I believe).
It stuck out to me because I thought it odd that the husband was on his way to work, but apparently went home to discuss with wife.

I did too but I can not say word for word what was said. I do remember they showed a man with his back to the camera by a car and I assumed it was her husband. It might have been labeled raw video.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, I hope this/these men who walked around in those areas with a baby that night phone up the police, if they are innocent and LE hasn't found him/them yet.

I'd phone LE and say it was me and invite them to investigate me, so they could move on.

I doubt he will because if he was walking outside with an unclothed baby in the middle of the night in 49 degrees for four hours he is probably someone with issues who is either familiar with the child services or should be familiar with them and is fearful of getting them on his case.

The local cases with unclothed babies in the night have always had intoxicated parents associated with them.