Man seen carrying diaper clad baby

[In da Middle]

It is a different woman. So her story didn't change, she has a different story and we don't know the exact location of her alleged sighting.

First woman whose husband allegedly sighted a man with a baby at about the 1:55 mark:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...d-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

Motorcycle man who allegedly saw the same, as well as the woman who claims to have seen that- she comes on about the 1:25 mark.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-14785603

I thought it was the same woman just with her hair/makeup done until I started looking closely at specific facial details. And the 2nd lady has a lot more hair.

BBM I am thinking that now too. This 'new' lady is what is said to live 3 doors down. I know the 1st doesn't live 3 doors down and this does appear to be somebody different. FWIW 3 doors down are pretty new to the neighborhood so it very well could be a totally new sighting.

ETA I am thinking it is the same person also now after looking at it again.
the 1st lady does appear to be in front of the 3 doors down house, but the name that is given in the 1st ladies interview does not live 3 doors down. 3 doors down is new to the neighborhood though. So something is wrong here in reporting (again).

 

[HatesSociopaths]

It's as if the plan was for the baby to be seen with the man. It could have been put in a sack, etc.

 

[Kat]

Walking/standing at a busy intersection with a baby clad only in a diaper in very chilly weather.............................he must have wanted to be noticed then......

It was probably very chilly late at night or early morning hours of the 4th.

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Off topic but NG show says it's covering this on her show tonight.

 

[uvamerica]

Yes that is it and from just what the wife says she could have been in the car with the husband when they saw the guy.

She does seem to put herself there, but somehow I doubt she'd be going to work with her husband, she doesn't state she went anywhere, just what her husband saw and relayed to her, and whether they should have called LE. In the 2nd interview she adds more detail and includes herself in the sighting. Therefore I'm not putting much weight in her story or stories. I'm sure LE has checked out her story, just wish they'd let us in on it !

 

[Patty G]

Is that a black man in the photo?

 

[Abby Normal]

BBM I am thinking that now too. This 'new' lady is what is said to live 3 doors down. I know the 1st doesn't live 3 doors down and this does appear to be somebody different. FWIW 3 doors down are pretty new to the neighborhood so it very well could be a totally new sighting.

I was wrong about the two interviews, it is the same woman, but the more I read the more it sounds like there are two different accounts in the direct neighborhood and one across town. All having seen the same thing, not sure it was Lisa- as opposed to all thinking they saw lisa under different circumstances.

At the very least it means that every business (or state entity) with security cameras should be checking their footage. If it's true, you'd think there would be footage *somewhere*.

 

[Abby Normal]

She does seem to put herself there, but somehow I doubt she'd be going to work with her husband, she doesn't state she went anywhere, just what her husband saw and relayed to her, and whether they should have called LE. In the 2nd interview she adds more detail and includes herself in the sighting. Therefore I'm not putting much weight in her story or stories. I'm sure LE has checked out her story, just wish they'd let us in on it !

Very common in one car families. No idea of their car situation of course.

 

[Abby Normal]

Is that a black man in the photo?

Could be, but he looks like my brothers from behind so my first assumption was that it was a Latino guy.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Since the woman never says it was a black man in the interviews, I am inclined to believe that it was a black man who saw the man with a baby, and this got twisted to the man that was seen was black. MOO.

ETA: The thing is, that guy isn't black either. I found more photos of him.

 

[Cher352]

She does seem to put herself there, but somehow I doubt she'd be going to work with her husband, she doesn't state she went anywhere, just what her husband saw and relayed to her, and whether they should have called LE. In the 2nd interview she adds more detail and includes herself in the sighting. Therefore I'm not putting much weight in her story or stories. I'm sure LE has checked out her story, just wish they'd let us in on it !

If they only have one vehicle, she could have been in the car in order to have the car for the rest of the day.

 

[Cher352]

Since the woman never says it was a black man in the interviews, I am inclined to believe that it was a black man who saw the man with a baby, and this got twisted to the man that was seen was black. MOO.

Although we only see the back side of the first man but neither look black to me.

I am starting to think I should only believe what I, myself, see come directly from the sources mouth.

 

[In da Middle]

I don't think so, because the baby is said to have on only a diaper + it's 4am. Ya'll have 4am daycare in MO? I've never heard of such a thing, but that's JMO.

There are 24 hr daycares here, but not where either one of these sightings are at.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Although we only see the back side of the first man but neither look black to me.

I am starting to think I should only believe what I, myself, see come directly from the sources mouth.

You are right he isn't black. I found more photos of him.

 

[In da Middle]

Perhaps one of the reasons LE is looking for raw footage?

This is exactly what I am thinking. LE knows the media game too well.

 

[Patty G]

You are right he isn't black. I found more photos of him.

OK, thanks for clarifying the neighbor's hubby isn't black as it was hard to tell from that one photo.

 

[Codger]

Couple thoughts, MOO: MT (4am sighting) describes the man, height / weight range, t-shirt etc., never mentions race. I'm guessing if he thought he saw an African American male, he'd mention that. I never hear the woman say it either. :waitasec:

When this first came out about the baby wearing only a diaper, I -umed IF it might be Lisa, then the kidnapper / transporter might remove her clothing asap. Reason being - that would go in the description to LE + it's a lot harder to id a baby in diaper than a baby in purple shorts + purple t-shirt with white kittens on it, IMO. I think at 10 months it's difficult to determine a girl or boy baby without clothing or accessories, in just a diaper. JMO

ETA - I meant to also say -- MT stated he'd be able to recognize the man if he saw him again. I'll assume from that, he hasn't seen him on the news clips as anyone that's related to the case thus far. JMO

 

[AnaTeresa]

It's as if the plan was for the baby to be seen with the man. It could have been put in a sack, etc.

Well, it would depend. If it was someone trying to hide they took the baby because they knew they were committing a crime, then yes, it would make sense to hide Lisa. If, however, the person taking Lisa were not right in the head - whether they had lost their grasp on reality, or though that Lisa truly was theirs, then I can see that person not trying to hide her, because why would they? In their mind, it would be totally acceptable to have her.

 

[SarahW]

Trying to figure out if all the speculation about the race of the sighted baby-carrier can be addressed by information I heard elsewhere - and don't even know if I believe.

What race is Johnny Tanko/Jersey really? I've seen the booking photos we all looked at, but I am getting information that this is not the "real" Jersey, and that the "real" Jersey is AA. Very confusing and I'm not sure I believe it. Is there any verified local person on this board who is certain of "Jersey's" ID and race? I mean, dead certain?

 

[JeannaT]

It's as if the plan was for the baby to be seen with the man. It could have been put in a sack, etc.

I wonder what John Couey looked like carrying Jessica Lunsford out of her home, or the killer of Coralrose Fullwood. I wonder if either of them did anything at all to conceal what they were carrying as they were walking away with the children.

 

[Donjeta]

Couple thoughts, MOO: MT (4am sighting) describes the man, height / weight range, t-shirt etc., never mentions race. I'm guessing if he thought he saw an African American male, he'd mention that. I never hear the woman say it either. :waitasec:

When this first came out about the baby wearing only a diaper, I -umed IF it might be Lisa, then the kidnapper / transporter might remove her clothing asap. Reason being - that would go in the description to LE + it's a lot harder to id a baby in diaper than a baby in purple shorts + purple t-shirt with white kittens on it, IMO. I think at 10 months it's difficult to determine a girl or boy baby without clothing or accessories, in just a diaper. JMO

ETA - I meant to also say -- MT stated he'd be able to recognize the man if he saw him again. I'll assume from that, he hasn't seen him on the news clips as anyone that's related to the case thus far. JMO

But then if he was worried enough about people recognizing baby Lisa from
her clothing to undress him it's a bit odd to me that he didn't seem too worried about people seeing him on the street.

One of the videos says the witnesses describe him as very calm.