Man seen carrying diaper clad baby

[jjenny]

One thing we can be fairly sure of:
The 4:00 AM sighting was not Jeremy. He was calling 911 from the home and he is not 5'7" to 5'9" either. The first sighting (12:00 AM,) in some news report, and I can't find the link even though I have tried, reported that the man was "African American." If that report is true then it wasn't Jeremy or DB's brother. Also, LE said that lead had been followed up on and didn't go anywhere.

The only other people, that we have heard about, to come onto LE radar are "Jersey" and the neighborhood teen. The teen can probably be ruled out because he wasn't in his 30's. (We have been told by our confirmed Local that the teen was a male.) Still not sure if Jersey can be ruled out for either sighting as we do not know his race.

Jersey is white and LE has already said he had nothing to do with any of it. By the way I have not heard anything from these witnesses to indicate what was the race of the man they claim to have seen.

 

[jjenny]

He sounds credible to me.

This man waited a week before contacting LE supposedly because he didn't make a connection. At that time the woman witness had already gone on TV with her story.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Thank you! I thought she said in an interview that her husband saw this on his way to work. Why wouldn't she have said, "my husband and I saw a man with a baby" in the interview? :waitasec:

I heard her say on Vinnie's program that she looked out the blinds because she saw her husband standing next to his car looking one direction and then turning his head as if his eyes were following something and then she looked in that direction and did see the man, they both saw him. The husband later told her he turned as if he was going into a house so he stopped looking at him. Now that I have heard myself the witnesses I think LE made a mistake in "dismissing" as Vinnie said they did. Why can't LE see that it might play into their scenario, which obviously is that Baby Lisa died in the house. Neither witnesses said the baby seemed to be alive, just that the man was carrying a baby.

 

[tiredblondy]

I think some of us are going to be thudding :thud::thud:and :fencefall: all over the place (just like in Kyron's case) when information is revealed.

One thing I've learned over the years is anything I can possibly think of, can really happen and a lot of what I thought was impossible ,could also happen.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Why are eyewitness accounts often inaccurate? Well, how many of us can remember any of the pedestrians who crossed the street at the intersection where we stopped for a red light on our way to work last Tuesday? What they were wearing, how tall they were, what color their hair was, what they looked like and what they were carrying? Here's an easier one.........what did the person look like who stood in front of you in line the last time you went to the bank? Admittedly, a man walking down the street with a baby at 3 am might grab your attention. But to remember what he was wearing, how tall he was and about how much he weighed???

I think if any of us saw a man carrying a baby clad only in a diaper in cold temperatures in the early morning hours we would stare at him for a length of time which would allow us to notice details and be able to recall them. I am not out at that time of the morning, and usually not up. But if I heard my dogs barking alerting to something and I looked outside in the early morning hours and saw a person as described by these witnesses I am sure I would take note of details.

 

[tiredblondy]

I heard her say on Vinnie's program that she looked out the blinds because she saw her husband standing next to his car looking one direction and then turning his head as if his eyes were following something and then she looked in that direction and did see the man, they both saw him. The husband later told her he turned as if he was going into a house so he stopped looking at him. Now that I have heard myself the witnesses I think LE made a mistake in "dismissing" as Vinnie said they did. Why can't LE see that it might play into their scenario, which obviously is that Baby Lisa died in the house. Neither witnesses said the baby seemed to be alive, just that the man was carrying a baby.

Perhaps LE did not dismiss it? Maybe they just want someone to think they did. Who knows they may have HatesSociopaths map and possible scenario themselves and proof that happened?

I think if I were LE and that were the case, I would never admit to something that might cause someone to run.

* just :cow:

 

[Bravo]

There are always sightings when a child goes missing. Kudos that they spoke up despite some delay. Is this any different from what we normally hear of sightings. I truly don't believe it's connected.

 

[CathyinTexas]

You don't think if they had been in that house and found something, anything that led them more toward Lisa being hurt there, We would not know? I think what they are finding is leading them to an intruder and they are leaking it to MSM and that is why all the stories about the witnesses are out today.

It is their way of not saying, "Yeah we might have been off base.."

I am not saying that it is proof positive , But it is certainly just as much of a possibility as the death scenarios I have seen posted here. Even NG? That says they know something...

Maybe they have forensic evidence of someone not accounted for or maybe more than one, like hair or fingerprints? They took swabs from all who lived in Lisa's house and also DB's brother to rule them out. Maybe they have asked for prints from others who have been in that home. I hope if that is true, they will be able to identify them.

 

[Just K]

Jersey is white and LE has already said he had nothing to do with any of it. By the way I have not heard anything from these witnesses to indicate what was the race of the man they claim to have seen.

Like I said, I heard it reported only once, by a newscaster, and have searched high and low for the quote/link. I'm not sure they cleared Jersey entirely yet. He was arrested on unrelated charges but that is all that has been reported, AFAIK.

The point is there is no one on the public's radar that would fit any of the minimal descriptions of this man. Actually, I don't even think we know if all three people have described the same man. The unnamed woman & her husband haven't said much of anything about the man the husband saw.

 

[curiousjo]

Mans description seen carrying baby in diaper:

WHITE ( NOT AA)
5'7 - 5'8
dark pants
white t shirt
late 30's/early 40's

Mystery man is Caucasian - incorrectly posted by as AA. This was verified on HLN show tonight.

The first siting up by a couple who live 3-4 doors down from DB @ MN. 2nd siting a few hours later by dude riding home on motorcycle @4am ish. Both have same description of man, baby, clothing, age.

Cadaver dogs hit on Moms bedroom floor. Does DB have any relative, friend, neighbor, boyfriend, ex ... with above description? Who would help her hide deceased infant? Also, did the man walk to highway or have a vehicle parked around the corner from DB?

So, a cemetary is where man carrying baby last scene. I guess that is where LE should be looking with the dogs. Anything else over there?

 

[jjenny]

Mans description seen carrying baby Lisa:

WHITE ( NOT AA)
5'7 - 5'8
dark pants
white t shirt
late 30's

Cadaver dogs hit on Moms bedroom floor. Does DB have any relative, friend, neighbor, boyfriend, ex ... with above description? Who would help her hide deceased infant? Also, did the man walk to highway or have a vehicle parked around the corner from DB?

So, a cemetary is where man carrying baby last scene. I guess that is where LE should be looking with the dogs. Anything else over there?

Where did you hear that this man was white?

 

[curiousjo]

Where did you hear that this man was white?

It was clarified on one of the HLN shows tonight - I think NG, but may have been Jane or Dr. Drew.

 

[nanaleenie]

I have a hard time believing that a mother that could put a sick baby to bed at 6:30pm (and not bother to check in on her all night long) would have any idea how much her baby girl weighed.....

Something has been gnawing at me about the 'ruthless custody fight' over JI's boy....I wonder if his ex could have hatched a revenge plot (with a new boyfriend?)

And, DB is still married to GIJoe, and possibly he has been approached for child support or Military benefits (medical, insurance) for the baby Lisa born to his (still legally) wife?

I know, I think Mom did it, too.....but these little tidbits (alternate theories) keep grating on my nerves. Just hoping against hope that someone has her alive and well somewhere and just did this to spite DB or JI.

I don't even know them and I wanna slap both of them.

 

[Just K]

Mans description seen carrying baby in diaper:

WHITE ( NOT AA)
5'7 - 5'8
dark pants
white t shirt
late 30's/early 40's

Mystery man is Caucasian - incorrectly posted by as AA. This was verified on HLN show tonight.

Cadaver dogs hit on Moms bedroom floor. Does DB have any relative, friend, neighbor, boyfriend, ex ... with above description? Who would help her hide deceased infant? Also, did the man walk to highway or have a vehicle parked around the corner from DB?

So, a cemetary is where man carrying baby last scene. I guess that is where LE should be looking with the dogs. Anything else over there?

Well, her male family members are not very tall...and that is all I am allowed to say based on TOS

I still think it wouldn't have been all that hard to get to Independence, MO and back in the reported two hours where JI was quoted as being home and while DB was out with her brother. If something did happen while the boys were at school DB may have taken the baby to a place she felt at peace...somewhere familiar.

 

[justbetweenus]

I wonder what John Couey looked like carrying Jessica Lunsford out of her home, or the killer of Coralrose Fullwood. I wonder if either of them did anything at all to conceal what they were carrying as they were walking away with the children.

O/T didn't Jessica's grandmother fail a lie detector test as well?

 

[4Jacy]

What the he//?????? If I saw a man at midnight or 4:30 am, I would call the police asap. And it was 40 something degrees, the baby was only in a diaper, and THESE PEOPLE didn't think it was odd, wrong, disturbing. WTFH??? :maddening:

 

[3doglady]

The 'perpendicular' throws me too. It could also be where Lister and Chelsea meet and going on up Chelsea. The only way that makes sense to describe it that vaguely is because the lady lives there and was trying to be 'discreet'. If this is also related to the dumpster fire are several ways to cut through, but you would have to know the neighborhood to do it. Perpendicular could also be a little further north up to the other part of 37th that leads to the townhouses. She wouldn't have been able to watch from her house this way though so I am leaning to Chelsea as being the street. This makes sense as to why those people had their houses searched so thoroughly in the beginning.

In the HLN interview she said he was walking uphill if that helps clarify anything. She also said she just saw the baby's bare arm and leg. If that's all she saw, the baby could have been wearing shorts and a tshirt.

 

[Kamille]

In the HLN interview she said he was walking uphill if that helps clarify anything. She also said she just saw the baby's bare arm and leg. If that's all she saw, the baby could have been wearing shorts and a tshirt.

I watched the video of this witness when it first came out. And I don't think I'm losing my mind just yet but this is nothing like what she first said. I distinctly remember her talking about the husband driving by him on his way to work and he drove off when the man turned into a house. He considered turning around to tell her about it, not sure when she claims he actually did tell her and asked her to call the police. Now she's claiming the husband was standing in their driveway and she was looking out the window? She did say that the man was seen about three or four doors up from somewhere. She just kind of waved her arm to point from where she was standing in the interview. The original report said this man with baby was seen on a street perpendicular to the Irwins. I think her story is changing as badly as DB's. No wonder LE want that raw footage. I'd love to know what they told them?

MOO

 

[SarahW]

Where did you hear that this man was white?

Neighbor(spouse of drinking buddy neighbor) fits the very general description. As would many people.

 

[matou]

I watched the video of this witness when it first came out. And I don't think I'm losing my mind just yet but this is nothing like what she first said. I distinctly remember her talking about the husband driving by him on his way to work and he drove off when the man turned into a house. He considered turning around to tell her about it, not sure when she claims he actually did tell her and asked her to call the police. Now she's claiming the husband was standing in their driveway and she was looking out the window? She did say that the man was seen about three or four doors up from somewhere. She just kind of waved her arm to point from where she was standing in the interview. The original report said this man with baby was seen on a street perpendicular to the Irwins. I think her story is changing as badly as DB's. No wonder LE want that raw footage. I'd love to know what they told them?

MOO

I remember you posting about this when it came out Kamille. The word 'perpendicular' stands out in my memory. I seem to remember him being in a car too. Good point about the raw footage.