MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #4

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  • #261
Law enforcement has publicly said wes has NO inside information about the case. So I don’t see why his posts should be used as a legit source. JMO

Tricia would have to make that decision. Then none of his comments could be used for opinions unless they were in MSM. He was a VI when the comments were made and they are being used for opinions on both sides of the argument. Just because we dislike the opinions is no justification for invalidating the comments.
MOO.
 
  • #262
"inmyhumbleopinion"~I do remember him asking that question because I was immediately confused when I saw the question, for the reasons you specified...I have no idea either, so I just thought you'd like to know you are not alone in your confusion about that!

(I'm having posting problems, so my apologies for where and how this lands on the thread).

***This is in reply to Post 260.


Oh, and my "like" button isn't working (it's stupid stuck, on-and-off)... so, hey, I like ya guys, in case you ever doubt that. Okay, Pooh Bear, whatever - please just sit down and keep thinking.lol
 
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  • #263
Tricia would have to make that decision. Then none of his comments could be used for opinions unless they were in MSM. He was a VI when the comments were made and they are being used for opinions on both sides of the argument. Just because we dislike the opinions is no justification for invalidating the comments.
MOO.

No I do not think his comments are invalid because I don’t agree with them. I think they are invalid because LE has publicly stated he is a liar and has no inside information on this case. Not to mention the multiple inconsistencies within his posts that have been pointed out by multiple people here.

Yet some people choose to believe LE is crooked (with absolutely no basis) instead of believing wes is a liar.
 
  • #264
It was clear that my comment is
opinion, so no quote needed

You can speculate and guess all you want, but without supporting evidence or quotes it's meaningless. Please, the last thing we need on this thread is more rumour-mongering.
 
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  • #266
No I do not think his comments are invalid because I don’t agree with them. I think they are invalid because LE has publicly stated he is a liar and has no inside information on this case. Not to mention the multiple inconsistencies within his posts that have been pointed out by multiple people here.

Yet some people choose to believe LE is crooked (with absolutely no basis) instead of believing wes is a liar.

Well just google Michigan State Police Public corruption and you will see many articles.
 
  • #267
It was clear that my comment is
opinion, so no quote needed
I provided one so now you know what they do and why they are involved in the case.
 
  • #268
No I do not think his comments are invalid because I don’t agree with them. I think they are invalid because LE has publicly stated he is a liar and has no inside information on this case. Not to mention the multiple inconsistencies within his posts that have been pointed out by multiple people here.

Yet some people choose to believe LE is crooked (with absolutely no basis) instead of believing wes is a liar.
I agree. His comments do nothing other than give us insight into his personality and how he expresses his anger. The inconsistencies and lies have made him an unreliable narrator.
 
  • #269
Well just google Michigan State Police Public corruption and you will see many articles.

Please provide links to MSP misconduct and Alexandra Bruegers murder. TIA.
 
  • #270
You can speculate and guess all you want, but without supporting evidence or quotes it's meaningless. Please, the last thing we need on this thread is more rumour-mongering.

So it's ok to quote the ex VI if we think he has lied but it is rumour-mongering if we use it to speculate on police incompetence or corruption?
How so?
 
  • #271
Please provide links to MSP misconduct and Alexandra Bruegers murder. TIA.
I'm curious too. I've searched and searched but the only thing I've seen are Wes' posts here accusing them of misconduct because Franz knows a police officer. As if that's so rare. People who know cops - including friends and family members - are arrested and charged every day. As a veteran I would find it odd if Wes himself didn't have a connection to someone in law enforcement.
 
  • #272
So it's ok to quote the ex VI if we think he has lied but it is rumour-mongering if we use it to speculate on police incompetence or corruption?
How so?
Because there is not one shred of proof for that rumour, started by Wes, but there is proof that he has lied about many things.
 
  • #273
You said:

Lt Shaw says the Special Investigations unit are dealing with the case. I thought they were for internal investigations like the recent Towing fees scandal.
MOO

Then you said:
It was clear that my comment is
opinion, so no quote needed

Your implications are clear, and since we have a direct quote from Lt. Shaw explaining why SI is involved and what they are doing, to suggest they are conducting an internal investigation is not an opinion - it's rumour-mongering (aka spreading a rumour).
 
  • #274
Again - wes can put to bed all of the Internet speculation by simply going to LE to clear his name. Imo it’s in his best interest to stop worrying about what strangers think of him and start worrying about what LE thinks of him.
 
  • #275
There are many examples of reasons to distrust LE. IMO
Below is a recent example – JUN 2018 - of ‘minor’ MSP officer misconduct investigated administratively and criminally.

IMO, additionally concerning, is that these two MSP Not-So-Fine Men-In-Blue “work in the polygraph section” and that Longuski “oversees all State Police lie detector administrators”.


2 Michigan State Police troopers charged in off-duty incident on Mackinac Island
Updated: 2:33 PM, June 22, 2018
Two Michigan State Police troopers have been charged with larceny and disorderly conduct for their actions in an off-duty incident, according to authorities.
Longuski and Jordan work in the polygraph section of the biometrics and identification division.


2 MSP polygraph examiners charged in Mackinac joyride
Published 5:11 p.m. ET June 25, 2018
Lt. Andrew Longuski, 50, who oversees all State Police lie detector administrators, and Detective Sgt. Derick Jordan, a 45-year-old examiner assigned to the Northville post. . .
 
  • #276
There are many examples of reasons to distrust LE. IMO
Below is a recent example – JUN 2018 - of ‘minor’ MSP officer misconduct investigated administratively and criminally.

IMO, additionally concerning, is that these two MSP Not-So-Fine Men-In-Blue “work in the polygraph section” and that Longuski “oversees all State Police lie detector administrators”.


2 Michigan State Police troopers charged in off-duty incident on Mackinac Island
Updated: 2:33 PM, June 22, 2018
Two Michigan State Police troopers have been charged with larceny and disorderly conduct for their actions in an off-duty incident, according to authorities.
Longuski and Jordan work in the polygraph section of the biometrics and identification division.


2 MSP polygraph examiners charged in Mackinac joyride
Published 5:11 p.m. ET June 25, 2018
Lt. Andrew Longuski, 50, who oversees all State Police lie detector administrators, and Detective Sgt. Derick Jordan, a 45-year-old examiner assigned to the Northville post. . .
Petty incidents of men behaving badly.
 
  • #277
Mackinaw is a long way from Holly. So far I have seen no rumors or articles about misconduct with MSP in that general area. Usually these sort of issues pop up in local newspapers for a long time before there might be any official word to confirm. Are they or FBI or any other department going to come out and publish a statement saying "this Department is not under any misconduct investigation"? Noooo.

And all this deflection to "LE misconduct" is taking away from the reason for being here, to find Ally's killer. Why can we not stop with all the frivolous foo-foo and get serious here?
 
  • #278
Mackinaw is a long way from Holly. So far I have seen no rumors or articles about misconduct with MSP in that general area. Usually these sort of issues pop up in local newspapers for a long time before there might be any official word to confirm. Are they or FBI or any other department going to come out and publish a statement saying "this Department is not under any misconduct investigation"? Noooo.

And all this deflection to "LE misconduct" is taking away from the reason for being here, to find Ally's killer. Why can we not stop with all the frivolous foo-foo and get serious here?
Right? Start a thread about corruption within the MSP and post links and opinions there. It really has nothing to do with the reason we are reading and posting in this thread.
 
  • #279
It was clear that my comment is
opinion, so no quote needed
Though your comment is clear as an opinion. “...the way in which you interpret “Lt. Shaw saying it’s clear he means Ally’s case” is an internal investigation is not defining as I read it.
 
  • #280
Mackinaw is a long way from Holly. So far I have seen no rumors or articles about misconduct with MSP in that general area. Usually these sort of issues pop up in local newspapers for a long time before there might be any official word to confirm. Are they or FBI or any other department going to come out and publish a statement saying "this Department is not under any misconduct investigation"? Noooo.

And all this deflection to "LE misconduct" is taking away from the reason for being here, to find Ally's killer. Why can we not stop with all the frivolous foo-foo and get serious here?
Yes, the narrative the “ex”-VI began and closed as intended with his initial statement as to “how he found out” supplied the catalyst for future statements he himself voluntarily chose to provide. Often, the words first spoken in an open statement reflect the very basis for speaking to an audience via a strategic ongoing narrative: LE did not cooperate with him. The operative word here is “ex”
 
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