Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[strach304]

What ? Sami hiding in the closet or the closet being ransacked ?

I know Sami's not in the closet :blushing:
I didn't see anything about the closet being ransacked.

 

[raisincharlie]

I know Sami's not in the closet :blushing:
I didn't see anything about the closet being ransacked.

That was one of Jake's tales (or gojo or one of that group) - there were two people there that night - one was holding Michelle at bay while the other was stealing the jewelry and ransacking the closet for other valuables. This had to have happened before Michelle was murdered because one couldn't open the door afterward as Michelle's body was blocking the door. Just a story posted at CTV some time ago while trying to blame Meredith - probably poofed by now.

 

[The Saint]

Why would she be taking photograph's?

imo,
jake wants to write a true crime book from jason's point-of-view.

you'll have to ask him why she did it and why she shared the pictures of cassidy with him --- that is, if a reunion meeting really took place between the fishers and cassidy.

 

[jilly]

Why would she be taking photograph's?

Lord, who knows Strach! They might have been taking pictures of the mess that LE had left with the idea of suing them! Other than that maybe they were playing 'Detective' - Photo of tooth left behind; Cassidy's bloody socks in the bathroom, footprints....

 

[Samiya]

Sami - are you hiding in the closet

Anything interesting in there ? You could have a point about the closet - we were told the closet had been ransacked and it had to have happened before Michelle was murdered - remember that windy ?

Sorry hon, I must've flown by your post.

Actually I don't remember it being said that the closet was ransacked is the post still around?

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

Sorry hon, I must've flown by your post.

Actually I don't remember it being said that the closet was ransacked is the post still around?

Sami

I'll see if I can find it at CTV - have to remember if it was gojo, or what jo it was that said it- I know it was one of them.

I remember it only because I thought to myself it was probably true as JY definitely was in a hurry to get some clean clothes out of there.

 

[strach304]

Ok, I think I've got it. Wonder when the pics were taken? I can see them wanting pics after finding the tooth but not that same day coming with one (camera) in preparation so to speak.

 

[strach304]

I'll see if I can find it at CTV - have to remember if it was gojo, or what jo it was that said it- I know it was one of them.

I remember it only because I thought to myself it was probably true as JY definitely was in a hurry to get some clean clothes out of there.

They went in the closet to get a shoe to compare to the bloody footprint. They weren't being nosey.

 

[Nomimi]

Welcome to the board citygirl. Obviously you've been reading.

first paragraph: Correct!

second paragraph: Correct! Not many remember that.

third & fourth paragraph: Gong. Michelle had three weeks vacation. After her miscarriage, she and Jason went to the beach for a week. Later, Michelle went north for two weeks. Jason had to work. You suggest two weeks away from Michelle and his child were pleasant for Jason? Doubt it.

I told you the trip with Jason's family had been long-planned....something like that would have to be planned around work schedules for four people. And of course Michelle knew the plans. Jason had one week of vacation left.

Another poster says he doubts the trip was long-planned and that Michelle probably didn't know about it in advance. Most people on the board seem to believe this poster who admittedly does not know the family. Even you, a newbie.

Okay. I give up.

--Jake

Hi Jake! What about Michelle's other benefits, besides 3 wks vacation? They include:
Leaves of absence for military duty, family or medical needs
Excused time for illness of employees or family members
Employee rewards and recognition, including cash awards or time off
Short-term and long-term disability coverage

Once again, you have not done your homework. Do you know if there was a funeral service for the first baby boy that was lost? TIA

 

[raisincharlie]

Jake,

Quick question - now that the sleuths have indeed figured out how many staircases are in the house and you seem to agree finally - another question - how many closets are in the master bedroom ?

I ask this question because in one of your posts at LR, you reference in one of your theories that the closet door to "Jason's closet" must have been closed during the murder because Michelle's body was against that door. The reason I ask is because you commented that "Jason's closet" had been ransacked by the "killers". If there is more than one closet - don't you wonder why only "Jason's closet" was ransacked ? Could it have been because Jason was in a hurry to get some clean clothes out of that closet after he killed his wife ? TIA

 

[raisincharlie]

Never mind Jake - I got my answer about the closets.

 

[Nomimi]

Hey Raisin! I had the same thought about him trying to hurry up and find some clothes so he could get the heck out of there. It would be a bit frustrating trying to figure out just what to wear after brutally murdering your wife. What sort of outfit would that call for?

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey Raisin! I had the same thought about him trying to hurry up and find some clothes so he could get the heck out of there. It would be a bit frustrating trying to figure out just what to wear after brutally murdering your wife. What sort of outfit would that call for?

Nomimi,

Since it has now been confirmed there are two closets, one really has to wonder why only Jason's was ransacked. With all the accusations that LF and MF were in the house before JY's family, one has to wonder why Michelle's closet was not ransacked. One also has to wonder why LE would only ransack Jason's closet seeing as how it was Michelle that was murdered.

The only logical conclusion - the killer needed clean clothes after he brutally murdered Michelle and after that shower he took IMO.

ETA - Welcome to websleuths Nomimi ! Pardon my manners in putting this at the end please.

 

[Nomimi]

Thanks for the welcome! With no news in so long, I've resorted to 3 different forums! Where is our dear friend Jake today? I see he's over at CTV...

 

[scandi]

Hi Charlie,

It is interesting about 2 walk-in closets, a his and hers, in the MBr.

You are thinking Michelle was murdered as she was held up against the wall inbetween the bed and the wall where the closets are. I'm wondering if JY's closet was the closest to the outside wall of that room {the one whe was held up against}, and when he was either halted in his siege of blows or was finished, if he tossed her on the floor in front of the door?

The reason I wonder is unless he moved her over in front of that door after he had ransacked it for his clothes, if she did land in front of that door he wouldn't be able to open it. It sounds like these doors opened into the room, unless they were pocket doors. I guess I was thinking of her up against that door which is different that in front of, right. It was only about a 5 to 8 foor area in width, so unless she was right by the bed, anywhere she landed there would probably block that door.

BTW, I have fully adopted your theory about her being murdered that way, in fact I can just see the title of a book on the case entitled 'Murder On The
Wall'. By someone else of course Just think of the evidence on that wall. No wonder Harrison said definately there was a struggle. A seasoned criminologist would be able to tell one exactly what happened there.

Hi Nomimi, I also wanted to welcome you to WS and am really glad you are here with us. I am glad you are a Sleuther with a smile and not a stinger!

Scandi

ETA: Lordie Do, I forgot something. In a lot of big beautiful homes like this I often found there were built in drawers and shelving in the Master Bath. I don't know about these houses, but if so that is where you would keep towels and things to put on after the shower, like panties, T-shirts and socks. Just a thought.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie,

It is interesting about 2 walk-in closets, a his and hers, in the MBr.

You are thinking Michelle was murdered as she was held up against the wall inbetween the bed and the wall where the closets are. I'm wondering if JY's closet was the closest to the outside wall of that room {the one whe was held up against}, and when he was either halted in his siege of blows or was finished, if he tossed her on the floor in front of the door?

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Scandi

Scandi,

As you know I make no bones about my lack of ability to understand how wounds occur - however look again at that autopsy, in particular the view of the face - look at the blows to the mouth again. From my limited abilities, those blows look like they could have been made by a door - she could have hit the door as she fell to the floor which might also explain why her teeth were found near her body. It seems rather obvious to me with the location of her teeth, the blow that knocked them out was near or at the end of the attack. Perhaps Sami will be so kind as to weigh in. Hoping

I submit to you that I don't believe the murderer would have cared if he opened a door and it hit her body laying on the floor after he had murdered her. JMO

 

[scandi]

Gee, I suppose he didn't care at all, now that you p[ut it like that. So bad!

There was bruising around that mouth area, and blood has to be still pumping to make a bruise. But then I don't think she was dead yet when he let her fall down. There was too much blood in that pool around her head for that.

So you might have just added another feather to your hat Charlie about those wounds on her lips - lacerations, being made by a door.

I know I read somewhere that the last blow by the ear dislodged her jaw causing her teeth to be avulsed, and made her tongue protrude.

You know Charlie, I hope Sami comes too! That would be a very good thing. YaYa Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Gee, I suppose he didn't care at all, now that you p[ut it like that. So bad!

There was bruising around that mouth area, and blood has to be still pumping to make a bruise. But then I don't think she was dead yet when he let her fall down. There was too much blood in that pool around her head for that.

So you might have just added another feather to your hat Charlie about those wounds on her lips - lacerations, being made by a door.

I know I read somewhere that the last blow by the ear dislodged her jaw causing her teeth to be avulsed, and made her tongue protrude.

You know Charlie, I hope Sami comes too! That would be a very good thing. YaYa Scandi

If the one blow broke her jaw and disloged her teeth, if she were standing, why would the teeth be found near the body ? If she were down on the floor when this blow was applied - how would her teeth be found near her body but a part on one would be found elsewhere ?

 

[Barney Fife]

Gee, I suppose he didn't care at all, now that you p[ut it like that. So bad!

There was bruising around that mouth area, and blood has to be still pumping to make a bruise. But then I don't think she was dead yet when he let her fall down. There was too much blood in that pool around her head for that.

So you might have just added another feather to your hat Charlie about those wounds on her lips - lacerations, being made by a door.

I know I read somewhere that the last blow by the ear dislodged her jaw causing her teeth to be avulsed, and made her tongue protrude.

You know Charlie, I hope Sami comes too! That would be a very good thing. YaYa Scandi

I will tell you her mouth had a vertical laceration on both the upper and lower lip. Other than a "fat lip" her face was not bruised . I would guess she was hit in the mouth full force with the murder weapon, breaking her mandible and some teeth. When she immediately dropped to the floor, he beat her unmercifully about the side and back of the head. The force of these head blows probably avulsed several of her front teeth, as they were already hanging by the roots from the direct blow to the mouth.

 

[Scout]

If the one blow broke her jaw and disloged her teeth, if she were standing, why would the teeth be found near the body ? If she were down on the floor when this blow was applied - how would her teeth be found near her body but a part on one would be found elsewhere ?

It would help if we knew where that other tooth was found.