Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[scandi]

Hi Kadie, The county records show they bought the home April 20, 2005. So they had only lived there about 18 months before she died.

Scandi

 

[strach304]

Because the photos are mine. I was not fingerprinted because I hadn't been in the house prior to the murder.

--Jake

That knocks out any theory that they were taken for insurance purposes.

 

[Kadie]

Hi Kadie, The county records show they bought the home April 20, 2005. So they had only lived there about 18 months before she died.

Scandi

Thanks for the info Scandi!

 

[Whimsigal]

Scandi,

Surely appreciate you trying to get this information. I went back to a post from another forum where "johngo" does a walk through of the crime scene. He does specify that there are two closets in the MBR but no real information to determine layout. Sorry ! It will come out sooner or later, but I think you have done a fine job so far. Appreciate it very much.

One question, may or may not have any bearing and you may get no response but I am curious about the 57$K second mortgage on the Birchleaf home - anyway you can find out from the appraiser if there were any substantial improvements made to the home after the Youngs bought it ? They hadn't owned it very long before this second was made, curious.

It's not unusual for people who don't have 20% to put down on a home to take out two mortgages when they make the purchase. We did that. One mortgage was for 80% of the sale price and the second mortgage was for 20%. That way you can avoid PMI which, on that house, would have been at least a couple hundred dollars a month tacked onto the payment.

I tried to do a search for the link to the data scandi referred to but am fantasically pitiful at finding anything so I'm apologizing in advance if this info seems off the mark!

whimsigal

 

[raisincharlie]

It's not unusual for people who don't have 20% to put down on a home to take out two mortgages when they make the purchase. We did that. One mortgage was for 80% of the sale price and the second mortgage was for 20%. That way you can avoid PMI which, on that house, would have been at least a couple hundred dollars a month tacked onto the payment.

I tried to do a search for the link to the data scandi referred to but am fantasically pitiful at finding anything so I'm apologizing in advance if this info seems off the mark!

whimsigal

I got it now - thank you luv !

 

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

They are mine and you can't have them...so there !

Too true...:clap:

 

[Barney Fife]

It's not unusual for people who don't have 20% to put down on a home to take out two mortgages when they make the purchase. We did that. One mortgage was for 80% of the sale price and the second mortgage was for 20%. That way you can avoid PMI which, on that house, would have been at least a couple hundred dollars a month tacked onto the payment.

I tried to do a search for the link to the data scandi referred to but am fantasically pitiful at finding anything so I'm apologizing in advance if this info seems off the mark!

whimsigal

When he finally decides to "try" to sell the house, he will most likely be writing a check at closing. The 6% Real Estate fee will eat up the very small amount of equity he has. There are quite a few nice homes on the market in that subdivision. Who in their right mind would want the house where a beautiful young mother was brutally murdered in the master bedroom ? I know I would avoid that house like the plague.

 

[The Saint]

Interesting that he says he hadn't been in Jason's house prior to the murder. How long did Jason and Michelle live there? And Jake (who is such a great family friend and mentor to Jason) had never been in his house?
Very interesting.......

wasn't it eighteen months?

imo

 

[The Saint]

When he finally decides to "try" to sell the house, he will most likely be writing a check at closing. The 6% Real Estate fee will eat up the very small amount of equity he has. There are quite a few nice homes on the market in that subdivision. Who in their right mind would want the house where a beautiful young mother was brutally murdered in the master bedroom ? I know I would avoid that house like the plague.

not only the feeling of the house but what about
potential health hazards from the crime scene chemicals?

imo

 

[The Saint]

It's not unusual for people who don't have 20% to put down on a home to take out two mortgages when they make the purchase. We did that. One mortgage was for 80% of the sale price and the second mortgage was for 20%. That way you can avoid PMI which, on that house, would have been at least a couple hundred dollars a month tacked onto the payment.

I tried to do a search for the link to the data scandi referred to but am fantasically pitiful at finding anything so I'm apologizing in advance if this info seems off the mark!

whimsigal

i understand that that the youngs bought the house directly from the owner. i don't know if that meant that the youngs didn't have a broker representing them or just the seller didn't list the house with a broker.

i wonder whether the previous owner was eager to sell the house and
carried the loan for the youngs.

wasn't it said that michelle's co-workers felt like michelle and jay were living beyond their means?

imo

 

[scandi]

Scandi,

Just to clarify - some things in this layout are similar but not identical to Michelle's house correct ? For example the location of the mbr would be similar but meausurements not exact. I realize the garage is wrong and trying to reconcile this to the Wake Co records the room sizes would be smaller in this drawing than what is actually present at the Birchleaf residence. correct ?

Also how similar is the lower floor-example this one shows double doors from the dining area to the deck - is this consistent with the Birchleaf residence? If you know. Thanks.

Hi Charlie, Here is a link to the house at 2913 Golden Oak Ct:

http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us//reale...LL+PH1+%261536+BM1987-1391&pin=0792286164

The Young house is 35 x 37, including the porch {5 x 22}, with the 37' going across. This house is basicly 34 x 34 with that left wall extended to 40' to make that garage of 20 x 20 possible. This house on Golden Oak is also different in that that makes the long part of the house on the left, going back on the lot. The Young house has the longer part of the house going from side to side, or across The Young house is also the biggest floorplan we have seen, and I am referring to the box of the house where the living area is not including the garage or that 3 car garage bldg at 5505 Pineleaf Dr.

The only thing I am not sure about is the upstairs hall in the Young home. If you take this floorplan we got today, I believe the front left small bedroom, MBR with 2 walk-in closets, MBath and bedroom {office in Young home} are the same only less roomy than in the Young house which has 3 extra feet added on to its width at 37'.

There are 2 bedrooms in the Young home that face the front yard with the high 'Buffaloe' foyer inbetween them. I know the front left br is 15' across. Judging from the size of the rooms in the 5505 home, also a Buffaloe, that right front br has to be about 11.4' across, then add a hallway of 4.6' That would make the foyer about 6' wide. BTW, the right front br also has a hall bath adjacent to it along that hall. I think that hall bath is right at the front of the home, and the door to it is directly across from the door to the left front br.

That hallway upstairs could be open with a half wall or railing to give more of an open feeling. I don't know. And I believe to get to that front left br, when you open its door on the right side of the hall, which is within feet of the front edge of the home, you walk into a small 5 wide x 6 long part of that br that then opens up into the room. That small entry area runs along the front wall of the home {6'}and has a window to the front. It is the same width as the foyer. In this plan of today they show a big closet in that space which is a bit deeper by about one foot.

I am not not sure where the placement of the stairs are the way they were described.

I think the main floor is very similar to the main floor of 5505. The difference is the plan is reversed, so the kitchen would be back right and the family room back left. I think the Living room is left front, and across the foyer is the Dining room at right front. I think close to the center of that main floor is an area with a 1/2 bath and a big pantry. The home listed 2 1/2 baths but did not say the # of brs.

I believe there is a dinette at the back of the Young home that shows on the county sketch and has many arched shaped windows. I saw that in an ariel view. Double doors were really in back in 91, and I do believe it has double doors going into this dinette area. Not really sure about that. I didn't see a deck or patio however, and it doesn't show on the plans

I'll bring the link to the 5505 plan so you can see what I think the main floor pretty much looks like:

http://www.5505pineleaf.com/wfFloorPlans.aspx


Hope that helps. It is hard to read I know. Scandi


ETA: Something just clicked about the front stairway while looking at the 5505 plan again.
The Virtual description said you go upstairs a bit to the left. So the stairway going up is on the left. When you reach the top the door to the MBr is directly to the left. Where it shows the right stairs in the 5505 plan, I believe those stairs are not in the Young house, and instead that space is the hallway upstairs. Yes, that has to be right!

 

[scandi]

i understand that that the youngs bought the house directly from the owner. i don't know if that meant that the youngs didn't have a broker representing them or just the seller didn't list the house with a broker.

i wonder whether the previous owner was eager to sell the house and
carried the loan for the youngs.

wasn't it said that michelle's co-workers felt like michelle and jay were living beyond their means?

imo

Hi Saint, Usually in a FSBO sale the escrow co handles the closing although the norm would be the buyer having an attorney draw up the earnest money agreement. It would be apprapo for the seller to carry a second back but unles there was bank approval for this I doubt it.

What some people do is record the second mtg the next day if there is not approval to pull the wool over the banks eyes, so to speak. This is how the famed Petersons bought a lot of their property, and is highly frowned upon.

Looks like they squeezed in on a prayer. I don't think they paid too much tho. Look at 1205 now up for what $425,000. I don't think it is nearly the house the Youngs bought, and they paid $389,000 I believe. When you look at the house in total it was a lovely place. Almost 2 acres of space, a graceful Southern entry where you could step out to greet friends and have a few white wicker chairs to sit in at the right time of the day.

The entry set the house off as spectacular - a double vault - sign of the times for the 90's. And yet with a very conventional floorplan that has been built for years and years. Spacious rooms made it very livable. And all the nooks, cranies, and secret stairways where a child could roam or play hide and seek set it off as quite unique. A really nice home for a growing family I think.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Scandi!

 

[scandi]

When he finally decides to "try" to sell the house, he will most likely be writing a check at closing. The 6% Real Estate fee will eat up the very small amount of equity he has. There are quite a few nice homes on the market in that subdivision. Who in their right mind would want the house where a beautiful young mother was brutally murdered in the master bedroom ? I know I would avoid that house like the plague.

Hi Barney, One thing is the price will be right and am sure there was no appreciation. Unless it was bought way below market whichh I doubt, it would take several years to gain a profit on it. I think it will sell for about what they paid for it. I have seen properties like this where you can really cut a deal.

Take all the debt owed on the house, add current and any back taxes and assesments, any liens like the cleaning bill evidently. Total that up and add 20% and give 'em cash on the barrel head. In desperate measures it saves the seller from giving the house back to the bank. scandi

 

[scandi]

Thanks Scandi!

Glad to try and help. I loved selling real estate till my grandaughter came along. Then I wanted to spend more timd with her.

 

[The Saint]

Hi Saint, Usually in a FSBO sale the escrow co handles the closing although the norm would be the buyer having an attorney draw up the earnest money agreement. It would be apprapo for the seller to carry a second back but unles there was bank approval for this I doubt it.

What some people do is record the second mtg the next day if there is not approval to pull the wool over the banks eyes, so to speak. This is how the famed Petersons bought a lot of their property, and is highly frowned upon.

Looks like they squeezed in on a prayer. I don't think they paid too much tho. Look at 1205 now up for what $425,000. I don't think it is nearly the house the Youngs bought, and they paid $389,000 I believe. When you look at the house in total it was a lovely place. Almost 2 acres of space, a graceful Southern entry where you could step out to greet friends and have a few white wicker chairs to sit in at the right time of the day.

The entry set the house off as spectacular - a double vault - sign of the times for the 90's. And yet with a very conventional floorplan that has been built for years and years. Spacious rooms made it very livable. And all the nooks, cranies, and secret stairways where a child could roam or play hide and seek set it off as quite unique. A really nice home for a growing family I think.

Scandi

yes, scandi. it was a beautiful house that turned into a house of horror
for michelle, the little boy and cassidy.

thank you for all of your brilliant sleuthing regarding the floorplans.

jmo

 

[Samiya]

Glad to try and help. I loved selling real estate till my grandaughter came along. Then I wanted to spend more timd with her.

Scandi,

Honey, you're a glittering gem

Hugs
Sami

 

[The Saint]

DD,

I have made an arrangement with someone in Raleigh to go to the courthouse about getting copies of the search warrants to date, just to see if there is more information attached that the media has not released. I'm hoping I have covered enough dates to be able to obtain any that have not been published - we'll see, there has to be more than these. Might be interesting.

thanks, RC.
it will be interesting to see what those SW reveal.

imo

 

[raisincharlie]

thanks, RC.
it will be interesting to see what those SW reveal.

imo

I hope so...this case has taught me to deal with disappointment .

 

[raisincharlie]

Interesting blog entry: Ms. Lamb

http://www.wral.com/news/local/blog/1049148/

Have to say I am guilty but a certain devil made me do it.:crazy: