Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[5bigfish5]

Seems to me, there were still several months in which to accomplish this. As you have noted, friends coming in to visit, arrange the trip before you find out if Michelle is willing to babysit your friends for a trip that could be taken at some other time. Not to mention being rather rude to invite friends down and the night before they come in you decide not to be there.

Its a lot like claiming the coach purse was an anniversary gift, until one realizes that isn't fooling anyone since the anniversary was three weeks before while JY was in Denver, or taking that long planned vacation that did not compensate for the wife's schedule and paying for the troop while the wife is not happy about the paying part. Fun and games, riddle after riddle.

Very sad when considering the subject matter is about the murder of a young woman and her baby. That part seems to be lost.

RaisinCharlie,

I gotta' hand it to you. You never lose your cool or your way. WHAT a post! Very spot on!

As time goes on, I think we have all been led on a "futuristic" ride.

Go back to the beginning.

Remember the old adage that bit dogs squeal first? The BIG problem is that computer "print out". It has to date, been everything EXCEPT the holy grail. WHY?

It was WAY too late for an Anniversary present. IF in fact Jason saw fit to spend that day across the Country... NO purse would have been enough compensation....WAY TOO early for Christmas. Birthday, not even on the horizon...What are we left with?

IMO, A LIE! That "print out"/"fax" had no more to do with Michelle than the man in the moon.

Looks much more like a present for a lover than for the wife of a man that couldn't even be bothered spending that day with, let alone the days following the loss of their 2nd child.

The more secure the JY² camp gets with Jason's version, the better. They think that the sheer volume of evidence will bury this minute detail. They are wrong.

Jurors have a tendency to keep their eyes on the doughnut and not the hole.

5bigfish5

 

[5bigfish5]

RC,

"Crowding the car" is something that will stay with me for a very long time.


and i bet it was michelle's earnings that paid for a lot of what they had. and i bet linda fisher gave them money to put down on the Birchleaf house. and look at the thanks that they got; michelle was murdered and linda's other daughter is framed for the murder. and they are both being pulled through the mud.

imo

Bless Your Heart!

Me too.

Crowding the car, Whew...can't do anything except say good-night.

So Sad.

5bigfish5

 

[raisincharlie]

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...What are we left with?

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5bigfish5

The previous 5 or 6 pages of posts of dull worth.

 

[nanandjim]

I do see the light occasionally. Obviously you don't know Jason. He is certainly bright enough to plan better than this killer did.

--Jake

Wow. What a statement. I hold a Master's degree; and I certainly wouldn't brag about being bright enough to plan a murder. I also would not consider it a compliment if others stated that I certainly would be bright enough to plan a murder and not get caught.

My brain does not even think in this fashion. I wouldn't have the first clue as to how to commit a serious crime and get away with it. I have read that it is much harder to murder a person than people envision it to be.

That's why I think Jason beat Michelle to death. He thought that it was going to be a lot easier to kill her. He thought that he could just easily strangle her and be done with it. Well, she fought back. He panicked and beat the everloving crap out of her.

It was no burglar that did this, Jake. Surely, you realize that.

 

[Samiya]

lol, took me ages to catch up and now I'm speechless and it's bedtime!

Another day

Sami

 

[Scout]

An injunction? A novel idea. Another idea someone gave me, though, was that I should lie. That's right. Make up things that would make Jason look innocent. Never mention anything that might make him look guilty. Lie. Why would I do that for an innocent man? I haven't yet.

--Jake

But have you held anything back, Jake?

Besides, you weren't completely honest about that ring-swallowing incident.

 

[happy2bn10ec]

An injunction? A novel idea. Another idea someone gave me, though, was that I should lie. That's right. Make up things that would make Jason look innocent. Never mention anything that might make him look guilty. Lie. Why would I do that for an innocent man? I haven't yet.

--Jake

But would you do it for a guilty man?

 

[Nomimi]

Wow. What a statement. I hold a Master's degree; and I certainly wouldn't brag about being bright enough to plan a murder. I also would not consider it a compliment if others stated that I certainly would be bright enough to plan a murder and not get caught.

My brain does not even think in this fashion. I wouldn't have the first clue as to how to commit a serious crime and get away with it. I have read that it is much harder to murder a person than people envision it to be.

That's why I think Jason beat Michelle to death. He thought that it was going to be a lot easier to kill her. He thought that he could just easily strangle her and be done with it. Well, she fought back. He panicked and beat the everloving crap out of her.

It was no burglar that did this, Jake. Surely, you realize that.

Excellent post! I still don't think that Jason meant to kill her in this fashion. Like you said, I think he meant to strangle her, in her sleep, but she put up a he77 of a fight and he ended up beating her to death. I do think he premeditated it, maybe not for this particular night, but something set him off and he decided to do it then and there!

 

[Bellgardin]

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I thought I knew the answer about the insurance. But after talking with my wife, I'm not sure of anything anymore. Let me ask some others about it and get back to you when I can.--Jake

Jake,

Just wondering if you have found out the information about the life insurance yet? I would think that if JY had received that payout it would be common knowlege among his family and close friends because receiving $1million plus would substantially ease his financial burden, not to mention the media would have found out. I think he hasn't received it and I also think you don't want to admit to that because there are only a few reasons why the claim hasn't been paid:
1. No claim has been filed. The insurance policy existence is widely known, so why wouldn't JY have made a claim?
2. Michelle's final death cert has not yet been issued. Insurance companies require a certified final death certificate-meaning one that states the final cause and manner of death and is certified as officially coming from the state.
3. The beneficiary of the policy is under investigation for the insured's death and the insurance company will NOT release the proceeds until that person is eliminated as a suspect.

You can go on and on about missing jewelry and bloody footprints but, if JY is the bene of that insurance and he hasn't received it yet, there's a reason. That's my biggest question and if JY hasn't been paid the money from the insurance, that tells me plenty. I paid death claims for two different companies for several years and I totally understand how the process works. I've worked on claims in this exact situation.

 

[nanandjim]

...there are only a few reasons why the claim hasn't been paid:
...3. The beneficiary of the policy is under investigation for the insured's death and the insurance company will NOT release the proceeds until that person is eliminated as a suspect....

This is my guess. Can police call the insurer and ask them to hold the money because the beneficiary is a "person of interest" in the crime?

 

[Bellgardin]

This is my guess. Can police call the insurer and ask them to hold the money because the beneficiary is a "person of interest" in the crime?

Yes, and they do. I have personally handled claims where the beneficiary was under investigation for the murder of the insured and I kept in contact with the detective in charge of the case. They don't give you details of the investigation though. I'm sure sometimes that person was eventually cleared, but I don't recall that happening where I worked.

Usually it would come about because the death certificate would say homicide and then I would contact the police dept in the proper jurisdiction (from m.e. info on death cert) and just ask for the detective in charge of the "such and such" case. They were usually excited to hear from us. However, in this case since the police knew right up front about the insurance it probably happened differently.

 

[Bellgardin]

And Jake, don't go quoting mimi (CateKelly) whatever name she's going by these days from the ctv board. She was talking about this whole insurance thing she said insurance companies do pay people who are being investigated for murder (or something like that) because she said that Justin Barber received April's life insurance and that her family filed a suit to get it back, but that's not true. Here is a link to an article which plainly says on page one that the claim is still pending, it was never paid to Justin Barber. I hope it's okay to put it here.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/barber/061306-pm_ctv.html?page=1

 

[jake]

Jake,

Just wondering if you have found out the information about the life insurance yet? I would think that if JY had received that payout it would be common knowlege among his family and close friends because receiving $1million plus would substantially ease his financial burden, not to mention the media would have found out. I think he hasn't received it and I also think you don't want to admit to that because there are only a few reasons why the claim hasn't been paid:
1. No claim has been filed. The insurance policy existence is widely known, so why wouldn't JY have made a claim?
2. Michelle's final death cert has not yet been issued. Insurance companies require a certified final death certificate-meaning one that states the final cause and manner of death and is certified as officially coming from the state.
3. The beneficiary of the policy is under investigation for the insured's death and the insurance company will NOT release the proceeds until that person is eliminated as a suspect.

You can go on and on about missing jewelry and bloody footprints but, if JY is the bene of that insurance and he hasn't received it yet, there's a reason. That's my biggest question and if JY hasn't been paid the money from the insurance, that tells me plenty. I paid death claims for two different companies for several years and I totally understand how the process works. I've worked on claims in this exact situation.

Thanks for your input, Bellgardin. Like you, I think I would have heard if Jason had received the insurance money.

Also like you, I believe the reason is he is under investigation for the murder. So far as I know, he has not been eliminated as a suspect yet. I do expect this to happen soon.

Maybe you won't mind answering a question. Will you tell us more about the process? Another poster somewhere said the insurance company would depose Jason if he did file a claim.

He also said this deposition could be used in court against Jason if he were arrested. Suppose the deposition were successful but LE still considered Jason a suspect. What then?

Or suppose LE eliminated him as a suspect but the insurance company was still suspicious. What then?

Thanks for your help. I will be in and out this afternoon, so don't think I have forgotten you.

--Jake

 

[jake]

And Jake, don't go quoting mimi (CateKelly) whatever name she's going by these days from the ctv board. She was talking about this whole insurance thing she said insurance companies do pay people who are being investigated for murder (or something like that) because she said that Justin Barber received April's life insurance and that her family filed a suit to get it back, but that's not true. Here is a link to an article which plainly says on page one that the claim is still pending, it was never paid to Justin Barber. I hope it's okay to put it here.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/barber/061306-pm_ctv.html?page=1

Thanks for the article. I hadn't read that before. Now I see where some posters get their ideas. I am far too ignorant to challenge Cate or you.

--Jake

 

[strach304]

Bellgardin, thanks for all the important info on the insurance. Since another poster had pointed out awhile back that if Michelle had died in the car accident it would have paid double. I suppose she meant the clause for accidental death. What would homicide or murder fall under? Isn't there some special clause in some policies that also allow for that?

Having seen so many cases documented over the years where the husband has killed his wife but actually shot himself and other various seemingly attacks on themselves to be a cover I've always been suspicious of the car accident. I really do believe he intended to drown her but wasn't able because someone immediately stopped to help or he wasn't able to go through with it when it came down to it. I believe Scott Peterson had plotted many scenarios beforehand including a out of town trip alibi as well. Looking at cars for Laci, a mercedes because her land rover wasn't safe? Suspicious? He77 yeah! I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if SP wasn't Jason's blueprint of what not to do.

 

[scandi]

Hi Jake, As I remember you were not in the house on Birchleaf Ct before the death of Michelle, but do think you were there with your wife after they released the home. I hope you can answer this question as we are working on the floorplan. We are lost as to how you get to the stairs that goes from the multipurpose/bonus room up to the small attic storage area. I'm hoping you got to wander around a bit!

When you enter that multipurpose room through the office on the second floor, how do you find this little set of stairs? I assume you walk towards the front of the house, but how far? and are the stairs pull-down or just open or walled off.

Also Jake, is that multipurpose room as big as the garage? Or close to it?

Appreciate this, Scandi

 

[jake]

Hi Jake, As I remember you were not in the house on Birchleaf Ct before the death of Michelle, but do think you were there with your wife after they released the home. I hope you can answer this question as we are working on the floorplan. We are lost as to how you get to the stairs that goes from the multipurpose/bonus room up to the small attic storage area. I'm hoping you got to wander around a bit!

When you enter that multipurpose room through the office on the second floor, how do you find this little set of stairs? I assume you walk towards the front of the house, but how far? and are the stairs pull-down or just open or walled off.

Also Jake, is that multipurpose room as big as the garage? Or close to it?

Appreciate this, Scandi

Hi, Scandi. From the office, walk toward the garage about 6-8 feet. Turn left toward the back of the house and the steps are there, open, not pull-down. I think the multipurpose room is larger than the garage, or about the same size. I did no measurements, though.

I'll check this again with someone else who was there and let you know more.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Scandi, my post about the room may be totally wrong. Wait until I can check with someone else.

--Jake

 

[Bellgardin]

Bellgardin, thanks for all the important info on the insurance. Since another poster had pointed out awhile back that if Michelle had died in the car accident it would have paid double. I suppose she meant the clause for accidental death. What would homicide or murder fall under? Isn't there some special clause in some policies that also allow for that?

You're welcome for the info! If Michelle had died in the car accident and no one was suspicious of the accident and her manner of death on her death certificate at that time was marked as accidental, then the accidental death benefit(adb) would have kicked in. There are several different options on a death certificate for the manner of death. They can choose natural, suicide, homicide, accident or unknown. In order for adb to be paid out, the manner of death has to be accident. The easiest way to say it is that homicide is normally considered willful or intentional-with regards to manner of death. This is not talking about death in terms of how statutory law views differences in death such as manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, and all of those other distinctions. So, a person may have been killed in a car accident, and the death certificate says accidental death but someone may be charged with vehicular homicide or something like that. I hope that makes sense because it can be confusing. It's basically totally up to the m.e. to decide what the manner of death was.

 

[The Saint]

A poster at CTV mentioned
something about JY working on a new waterproof fabric.

Since jay has his university degree in textiles and he has worked as a river rafting guide, is it possible that jay had a prototype of this new waterproof wetsuit/dry suit at his home?

could he have worn this suit during the murder of michelle?
is this prototype suit(s) missing from Birchleaf? it could have been a project that he did for one of his college textile classes.

he might have filed to get a patent for his design of a dry suit.


jmo