Misty gets 25 years - Are you happy with the St. John's verdict? ***POLL***

[oceanblueeyes]

REF OceanBlue's post at the very top of the page:

IF PDM waited two months to fire rc, it was out of respect for his loss. At that, think about it, if rc was a good worker and they liked him, would they have let him go? They hired Security, FGS, after they told him. That doesn't speak very well for PDM's affection towards rc.

Do you have a link Whisper where they hired security afterward?

I have never said they had any affections for Ron. I just dont believe he left the premises that day/night and I dont believe that PDM had a glaring welcoming hole in their fence either.

But no matter how much they liked or may have disliked Ron they could not hold his postion open. The position had to be filled.



IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

mc was entrapped,imo she should have taken this to trial and never said a word..i cant believe she was allowed to speak..skb brought his theory to the table and a little after that they where arrested and then a few days after that skb announced he has solved the case..but he hadn't he just ran with the cobra tapes where rc was trying to mislead everyone. imo cob new jo didn't do it he just let rc ramble on and mislead..

A lawyer cannot deny his client the right to testify. That is not his right to make but the right of his client. She makes the decision. His carries no weight.

IMO

 

[Lynni]

It's "sad" that Misty is going to jail for 25 years. I think of how young she is. She'll be my age when she gets out if she serves the whole sentence. It makes me think of how much life she'll be missing out on and then I come to my senses-

The real victim here is Haleigh. Not Misty. Misty may be a "child" herself, but she knowingly commited crimes which was the direct result of the consequences she received. She received a harsh sentence? Yep, but she chose to break the law and now she's gonna pay for it. She is responsible for her own actions. She had a hard life-really? Who hasn't, but most of us don't break the law because of it.

Haleigh had no control over what happened to her and sadly, we'll never know what happened to her. Who did it, how they did it and where that precious child is now. She will miss out on a lot more life that Misty. She was at the mercy of adults that should have never been around her or Jr.

Yeah, Ron got off easy. But it ain't over yet.

 

[justus4all]

Do you have a link Whisper where they hired security afterward?

I have never said they had any affections for Ron. I just dont believe he left the premises that day/night and I dont believe that PDM had a glaring welcoming hole in their fence either.

But no matter how much they liked or may have disliked Ron they could not hold his postion open. The position had to be filled.



IMO

underlined by me..

Something that I have wondered about as well....the hole in the fence..was it a glaring welcoming hole..

Some folks have been discussing this very issue about the hole in the fence and it was brought up by someone that where he worked, at a place similar to Ron's employer, where employees could sneak out at night for awhile and at first glance the fence appeared to be sound and not faulty at all, but on closer examination it was discovered the fencing could be "unhooked at a very small section and "hooked back" and appear to be/look.. justfine...Also, the discussion was if it had been a glaring open hole ,then yes...the company of course would have instantly repaired it...as it would have been easily seen ....In our discussion the person said it was some time before the company personell "caught on" about their fencing and was actually not discovered until the property next door was purchased by them and the fencing moved...It was so well attached at the point of removal...

My point is, there could have been a well concealed/undetectable portion of the fencing that allowed for exiting thru a section of it...It could be possible.

moo...hope that helps

 

[Kathy1964]

Misty and Donna Brock both had the same charges in St John's County.

How did Donna get only 15 years when the minimum for the charge is 25?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

underlined by me..

Something that I have wondered about as well....the hole in the fence..was it a glaring welcoming hole..

Some folks have been discussing this very issue about the hole in the fence and it was brought up by someone that where he worked, at a place similar to Ron's employer, where employees could sneak out at night for awhile and at first glance the fence appeared to be sound and not faulty at all, but on closer examination it was discovered the fencing could be "unhooked at a very small section and "hooked back" and appear to be/look.. justfine...Also, the discussion was if it had been a glaring open hole ,then yes...the company of course would have instantly repaired it...as it would have been easily seen ....In our discussion the person said it was some time before the company personell "caught on" about their fencing and was actually not discovered until the property next door was purchased by them and the fencing moved...It was so well attached at the point of removal...

My point is, there could have been a well concealed/undetectable portion of the fencing that allowed for exiting thru a section of it...It could be possible.

moo...hope that helps

BBM

I am a little confused. You mean someone here was saying that the company they worked at had this kind of hole but it wasnt PDM that Ron worked at?:waitasec:

I have always felt that 3/4 of what Chelsea Croslin spins has come from what she reads on the internet. She is the one saying that PDM had a hole in the fence and I highly doubt that is true.

 

[justus4all]

underlined by me..

Something that I have wondered about as well....the hole in the fence..was it a glaring welcoming hole..

Some folks have been discussing this very issue about the hole in the fence and it was brought up by someone that where he worked, at a place similar to Ron's employer, where employees could sneak out at night for awhile and at first glance the fence appeared to be sound and not faulty at all, but on closer examination it was discovered the fencing could be "unhooked at a very small section and "hooked back" and appear to be/look.. justfine...Also, the discussion was if it had been a glaring open hole ,then yes...the company of course would have instantly repaired it...as it would have been easily seen ....In our discussion the person said it was some time before the company personell "caught on" about their fencing and was actually not discovered until the property next door was purchased by them and the fencing moved...It was so well attached at the point of removal...

My point is, there could have been a well concealed/undetectable portion of the fencing that allowed for exiting thru a section of it...It could be possible.

moo...hope that helps

BBM

I am a little confused. You mean someone here was saying that the company they worked at had this kind of hole but it wasnt PDM that Ron worked at?:waitasec:

I have always felt that 3/4 of what Chelsea Croslin spins has come from what she reads on the internet. She is the one saying that PDM had a hole in the fence and I highly doubt that is true.

underlined...

No OBE...I believe you are confused a bit...My comment was...

Some folks have been discussing this very issue about the hole in the fence and it was brought up by someone that where he worked, at a place similar to Ron's employer, where employees could sneak out at


Some folks have been discussing......(I never said on HERE)....(some folks I know).......and it was brought up by someone that where he worked at a place similar to Ron's employer.....meaning....another person that worked at a company LIKE Rons' employer....

Sorry ...you apparently became confused..with what I posted.. I hope I cleared it up for you....

IMO...I know you have your opinion about the fence and I respect your opinion about it.....but I am only suggesting...that it could be possible one could leave thru the fence and not be detected..it could be entirely possible

 

[lil momma]

i don't know if i am happy about Misty's sentencing... One minute, i feel like, she did the crime, she needs to do the time, but then i start to think about her age, and how little of an education she has, then i feel like she shouldn't have been sentenced to 25 years.

I think i will have more of a decision when she is sentenced in Putnam County. I really do not think she should be locked up for the rest of her life. She needs rehibilitation, IMO.

 

[justus4all]

It may be...that her attorney is working a strategy...

I would expect that he knows exactly what is the best tactic to take in her case..

It will be interesting to see what happens...that is for sure...

 

[SailorMoon]

I imagine Misty must feel very discouraged and defeated right now and she must be asking herself what’s the point in living anymore. She has nothing to look forward to and her future is bleak. What would be the point of her pursuing an education? After she is released from jail, how will she support herself? No one will marry her because of her fines. She will never own anything so she will be indigent for the rest of her life. This is torture and Misty will turn into a vegetable as she rots away in jail.

I believe Misty learned her lesson and wouldn’t reoffend. She has been isolated for 10-months and I trust she would never sell drugs again and risk going back to jail after living through this horrendous experience. Misty has been compliant and a model prisoner while incarcerated at SJC, so why not give her YO status, sentence her to 6 years in prison, and place her on probation when she is released. Give her a chance to mend her life and prove herself and if she reoffends, then give her the maximum sentence of 25 years.

Unfortunately the Judge didn't see it my way and I resent her decision. We all make mistakes and fall down and I feel Judge Berger wasn't able to relate to Misty's circumstances and she handed her a death sentence IMO.

I agree with this. The judge did look like a ....well....in my opinion anyway. I think Misty would have gone back to drugs, but then she could have received the 25 years. I don't think she should served one more minute than the ron.

 

[impatientredhead]

Misty and Donna Brock both had the same charges in St John's County.

How did Donna get only 15 years when the minimum for the charge is 25?

According the reports she negotiated to plea guilty to a lesser charge which had a 15 year minimum and agreed to testify against Misty at future hearings if called upon to do so.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

underlined...

No OBE...I believe you are confused a bit...My comment was...

Some folks have been discussing this very issue about the hole in the fence and it was brought up by someone that where he worked, at a place similar to Ron's employer, where employees could sneak out at


Some folks have been discussing......(I never said on HERE)....(some folks I know).......and it was brought up by someone that where he worked at a place similar to Ron's employer.....meaning....another person that worked at a company LIKE Rons' employer....

Sorry ...you apparently became confused..with what I posted.. I hope I cleared it up for you....

IMO...I know you have your opinion about the fence and I respect your opinion about it.....but I am only suggesting...that it could be possible one could leave thru the fence and not be detected..it could be entirely possible

Yes, you cleared it up quite well. Thank you.

I am trying to multi-task today as usual and as I was reading your post real fast I didn't understand what exactly you were meaning. Now I do.

Gone again......lol

IMO

 

[Levi]

I simply believe that in 20 months LE has long ago established Ron's work hours and has established his hours before he went to work. Cell phone records are a wonderful thing and also the pings can pinpoint the location of someone when they make calls.

I doubt he would be left alone at such a large company without a supervisor on duty. If he was unloading the barge then the heavy duty machinery he used to do so would be loud. That just doesn't seem feasible to me. My son works for civil service and he is in management. He cannot leave, no matter what time it is, until all of his workers are gone and yes, he knows their location at all times and what they are doing. It is his job to know.

I don't believe Chelsea about the hole in the fence either. That is just convenient rumor mongering trying to make Ron "fit." No company that has millions upon millions of dollars worth of equipment and tools lets a hole remain in their fence.

So I think long ago LE knows there are security cameras on the yard as well toward the employee parking lot area too and imo they also know that a fingerprint scan has to be used to gain entrance and exit.

For PDM to go through all those security measures does not comport with Chelsea's tale that PDM had a hole in their fence. It seems they were very vigilant on security which they should be. If not secured they have many materials that could be used by terrorists or anyone up to no good to make a bomb.

If Ron Cummings had left without permission that day then PDM wouldn't have waited to fire him two months later when he didn't return to work after Haleigh went missing.

IMO

I've heard that LE has made it clear to Ron's family that they cannot clear him due to a hole in the fence, and I've heard about the hole in the fence at PDM from multiple sources. Apparently the hole in the fence is located in the back of the building and there is no security cameras there.

Furthermore, Kim Picazio stated on my show that Ron has snuck out of work before and has lied about what time he got to work the night before Haleigh vanished.

 

[Levi]

And Ron's family has no political clout in the area. Ron and Teresa are known scam artists.

I'm told that when Ron was arrested after fighting with Tommy Croslin -- that they had Ron in the interrogation room and Peggy Cones came in there and told Ron that he didn't care about his daughter.

Major Gary Bowling also stated in the Florida Times Union that Ronald wasn't cooperating and cut off his contact with LE. If Ron and law enforcement were so close why did he lawyer up early on and refuse to cooperate? Sounds like Ronald was afraid of law enforcement...

Marie Griffis said this to me on twitter last night: "PCSO IS AWESOME"

So it doesn't seem like Marie has anything against PCSO and are happy with the way they are handling the case. I'm siding with Marie Griffis - they've done a great job.

 

[Levi]

REF OceanBlue's post at the very top of the page:

IF PDM waited two months to fire rc, it was out of respect for his loss. At that, think about it, if rc was a good worker and they liked him, would they have let him go? They hired Security, FGS, after they told him. That doesn't speak very well for PDM's affection towards rc.

I heard about the security around PDM after Haleigh vanished as well. I also have it on good terms that the cops were called to PDM at one time, because they were afraid that Ronald would come back and do something violent.

Now why would they be afraid that Ron would do something violent? That tells me they knew Ron had a temper and maybe someone at PDM told the police something that could hurt Ron??? Just a thought.

 

[Crosby87]

I've heard that LE has made it clear to Ron's family that they cannot clear him due to a hole in the fence, and I've heard about the hole in the fence at PDM from multiple sources. Apparently the hole in the fence is located in the back of the building and there is no security cameras there.

Furthermore, Kim Picazio stated on my show that Ron has snuck out of work before and has lied about what time he got to work the night before Haleigh vanished.

Yes, and I made the point in an previous post that Ron intentionally made himself late for work Monday evening so he would be alone working in the yard when the workers who were working the evening shift had already gone home. There was no reasonable explanation why Ron picked up HaLeigh from the bus stop that day and made himself late for work.

As far as Ron lying about the time he started work, Chelsea saw him at the bus stop at approx 3:40 pm so Ron can’t deny he was well over an hour late.

Thank you for having Chelsea Croslin on your Show. The information she provided on Ron’s work hours bolstered my theory that Ron planned to abduct HaLeigh and the reason Ron took Misty back was so he could have an adult sleeping overnight in his home. There is no other place or time IMO, Ron could have secretly disposed of his daughter.

 

[justus4all]

I've heard that LE has made it clear to Ron's family that they cannot clear him due to a hole in the fence, and I've heard about the hole in the fence at PDM from multiple sources. Apparently the hole in the fence is located in the back of the building and there is no security cameras there.

Furthermore, Kim Picazio stated on my show that Ron has snuck out of work before and has lied about what time he got to work the night before Haleigh vanished.

Thanks Levi...for that information...

Apparently the faulty fence claim now has some weight/validity to it...by the LE themselves....wow...........just wow...

moo...

 

[justus4all]

I heard about the security around PDM after Haleigh vanished as well. I also have it on good terms that the cops were called to PDM at one time, because they were afraid that Ronald would come back and do something violent.

Now why would they be afraid that Ron would do something violent? That tells me they knew Ron had a temper and maybe someone at PDM told the police something that could hurt Ron??? Just a thought.

Thank Levi for your comment...and thanks for having Chelsea on your show..

So the police were summoned to PDM...and the employees/PDM were very concerned for their safety and protection from Ron...

That reminds me of todays news we hear/read a lot of...regarding disgruntled employees that lash out/harm/fight/kill their co workers ...some come back with guns..sometimes several guns

IMO...a company has the obligation to protect their employees from harm in the workplace and make it safe for everyone there...due to liability and potential lawsuits..so PDM had the obligation to protect themselves and their employees...

Perhaps someone at PDM has witnessed Ron ...perhaps sneaking out...who knows...I am sure that information would hurt Ron (his alibi) and make him angry ...if offered up to LE......amazing..

imo

 

[krkrjx]

I agree with this. The judge did look like a ....well....in my opinion anyway. I think Misty would have gone back to drugs, but then she could have received the 25 years. I don't think she should served one more minute than the ron.

That's very interesting to consider. I wonder if a mandatory minimum sentence such as this could have been suspended to allow Misty to successfully complete a 6-year YO program...and if she failed, the 25-year sentence would become a reality.

Personally, I think Misty would have failed, because I think it might take her longer than 6 years of having to follow the rules to really "get it" but I believe she should have been given a chance to try.

 

[Crosby87]

REF OceanBlue's post at the very top of the page:

IF PDM waited two months to fire rc, it was out of respect for his loss. At that, think about it, if rc was a good worker and they liked him, would they have let him go? They hired Security, FGS, after they told him. That doesn't speak very well for PDM's affection towards rc.

Ron was scheduled to return to work on a specific date and he didn't have the courtesy to call and talk to his employer about is change of plans; he just didn't show up. If it's true Ron snuck out of work on several occasions he disrespects his employer and takes advantage of them so I say good riddance. Ron had no legitimate reason to pick up HaLeigh at the bus stop on Monday Feb 9th and arrive late for work so he must have planned to sneak out. Clearly this guy makes his own rules and he is not trustworthy. When PDM Bridge fired Ron he got exactly what he deserved.

ETA: And Ron was a drug addict and it is more than likely he was popping pills at work which endangers the lives of his coworkers.