• #1,981
That's highly inflammatory speculation with zero basis in fact.
JMO
Well, some parts are very factual:

Fun Fact: Lemon and the videographer were, the only journalists who showed up to the Church protest.

Speculation: Little voices might have told the other news reporters that it was not a good idea.

Fun Fact: CNN reporters do not appear to have ever followed protesters into a church, mosque or synagogue to get hot inside scoops.

Speculation: There might be a reason for that.
 
  • #1,982
When it’s the POTUS doing it, it certainly is. It’s also a problem when Trump, acting as president, bans certain news reporters and news outlets from attending press briefings. That’s called a deliberate rejection of government transparency.

JMO
Acting as President!?! He is the President lol
 
  • #1,983
Fun Fact: Lemon and the videographer were, the only journalists who showed up to the Church protest.

Twin Cities journalist Georgia Fort, indicted on federal charges after last month's protest inside St. Paul's Cities Church, entered a not guilty plea on Tuesday.

A sea of supporters greeted Fort outside federal court in St. Paul, Minnesota. She was one of two remaining defendants to enter pleas in connection to the Jan. 18 Sunday service at the church, where a pastor on staff is also the head of the capital city's ICE field Office.

"As a journalist, I not only stand here today asking the world to help protect the press, but to continue fighting for me as long as this case takes," Fort said.

 
  • #1,984
Acting as President!?! He is the President lol
The poster has a subtle style, lol

They know Trump is president. What they didn't say concretely enough for all of us is when Trump is president, he is no longer a private citizen. If he said some things when he was not president, it is fair game, freedom of speech. The same things said while president can become things like threatening journalists and journalism.

It is inappropriate for the president to say many things that are appropriate for a private citizen.

MOO
 
  • #1,985
Fun Fact: CNN reporters do not appear to have ever followed protesters into a church, mosque or synagogue to get hot inside scoops.

Fun question: how many protests in the US happened inside of a church, mosque or synagogue before Minneapolis?
 
  • #1,986
Well, some parts are very factual:

Fun Fact: Lemon and the videographer were, the only journalists who showed up to the Church protest.

Speculation: Little voices might have told the other news reporters that it was not a good idea.

Fun Fact: CNN reporters do not appear to have ever followed protesters into a church, mosque or synagogue to get hot inside scoops.

Speculation: There might be a reason for that.
IIRC, there were other journalists who also covered the event, Georgia Fort and a Mr. Cruze. Speculation about others? Well the prosecution will have to prove their case in court instead of in the news media.


 
  • #1,987
Fun question: how many protests in the US happened inside of a church, mosque or synagogue before Minneapolis?
A lot, actually. It was common in Catholic Churches in the late 80's ad early 90's. I remember them quite well.
 
  • #1,988
Thanks. That’s exactly what I meant. Mr. Trump’s words and behavior are very often inappropriate for a person currently serving as POTUS. He verbally claims many powers he doesn’t have, makes inappropriate and abusive threats against our country’s closest allies and is often untruthful. JMO

ETA: Does anyone know when the pretrial hearings begin Gordon Lemon’s case? TIA
How is this relevant to Don Lemon?
 
  • #1,989
How is this relevant to Don Lemon?
I agree. I was simply answering a question someone asked about my earlier comment offering examples of Trump threatening journalists. US presidents aren’t supposed to threaten journalists. Don Lemon is a journalist.
 
  • #1,990
The former CNN anchor was arrested in Los Angeles on Thursday while covering the Grammys. The longtime critic of President Donald Trump is accused of conspiracy and hampering the First Amendment rights of worshippers following his coverage of an anti-ICE protest last month at a church in St. Paul, Minnesota. He denies the allegations, saying he was operating as a journalist.

As Trump-aligned figures increasingly hyped Lemon’s reporting as criminal, Lemon told Kimmel he retained an attorney and offered to cooperate with authorities well before the arrest.

The attorney said, per Lemon, ”‘If you are serious about this, let’s do it the right way. He’s perfectly willing to self-report,’ which means turn yourself in. ‘And so we don’t have to go through this whole rigmarole,’” Lemon recalled. But Lemon said his legal representative “never heard back from them.”

“People who are accused of much worse things than I am accused of doing, they are allowed the courtesy,” said Lemon, contrasting the treatment he received with that afforded to President Donald Trump, who was “allowed the courtesy to turn himself in.”
 
  • #1,991
A lot, actually. It was common in Catholic Churches in the late 80's ad early 90's. I remember them quite well.
Inside the church? No. There was, as far only one protest inside the church, in the US, in that time period, as far as I remember. Stop The Church, December 10, 1989, New York. Before that there were the kneel-ins by the Civil Rights Movement, a non-disruptive form of protest.

I absolutely do not condone nor support disrupting the religious services in protest, let's that be clear. This form of the protest is, though, incredibly rare in the US so the argument that no CNN journo followed the protesters into the church is, well... Quite nonsensical.
 
  • #1,992
How is this relevant to Don Lemon?
Interesting question.

There have been a few instances where posters have been avoiding the question of what exactly Don Lemon did wrong by replying, off topic, that Don Lemon thinks there is an attack on journalism. As if that has anything to do with behaviors and statutes.

There is an attack on journalism and it explains the inappropriate prosecution of Don Lemon. But he is not using that as a legal defense. He is using the fact that his actions were legal as a legal defense.

The other version of the same fallacy is to claim that Don Lemon is suggesting that journalism is some "break the law free" card, when of course he is not suggesting that. Reporting that you are doing journalism lawfully does not mean you think it's okay to do journalism unlawfully. It is true that he says he was doing journalism. It is not true that he contends it means he can break the law.

When Don Lemon (and countless others) bring up an attack on journalism, they are not explaining Don Lemon's behavior. They are explaining the prosecutors' inappropriate behavior.

MOO
 
  • #1,993
It is not about distrusting only. It is about what the public is allowed to hear about, and what they are not allowed to hear about ... now. In 2025/2026.
How can they trust or distrust when they don't even know what is actually going on? How is it okay to have your media silenced? Refused access?

56 countries have more freedom of the press than the US. The country of "freedom".

I hope the charges against Don Lemon are thrown out. That journalism scores a small win.

imo

Even this site has had to put their foot down and determine what they believe to be legitimate media. In essence, they have had to silence and restrict media as well. JMO
 
  • #1,994
I try to get most of my news from international sources and it’s truly shocking how much different it is from US based news and how much we are not seeing here in the states. It’s actually quite scary. You really can’t tell we are in a news vacuum until you step out of it and see how restricted the media is here. Off topic a bit but Stephen Colbert had James Talerico, a democratic candidate for the Senate on his show this week and CBS refused to air it on the actual broadcast show and forced them to only release it on YouTube, per the FCC. They even released this ridiculous lawyer statement about it to appease the FCC and Stephen came out and called the whole thing a load of bull. Scary times we are living in here for sure.

That was a great interview!
 
  • #1,995
Inside the church? No. There was, as far only one protest inside the church, in the US, in that time period, as far as I remember. Stop The Church, December 10, 1989, New York. Before that there were the kneel-ins by the Civil Rights Movement, a non-disruptive form of protest.
The FACE Act was passed in 1994.

I would not be surprised if the big news agencies such as CNN have legal departments. These legal departments might get pretty nervous about ideas like:

Hey, there is going to be a protest inside a Church. Lets follow them there, and go inside. Our reporters then get the hot scoops for our viewers.
 
  • #1,996
Sorry to bring this up again, but does anyone know when the pretrial hearings begin for Don Lemon? TIA
 
  • #1,997
Inside the church? No. There was, as far only one protest inside the church, in the US, in that time period, as far as I remember. Stop The Church, December 10, 1989, New York. Before that there were the kneel-ins by the Civil Rights Movement, a non-disruptive form of protest.

I absolutely do not condone nor support disrupting the religious services in protest, let's that be clear. This form of the protest is, though, incredibly rare in the US so the argument that no CNN journo followed the protesters into the church is, well... Quite nonsensical.
Yes, inside churches. There were a lot more and Stop the Church netted 100+ arrests: Protests inside churches are unusual despite long history of civil disobedience in the US
 
  • #1,998
Interesting question.

There have been a few instances where posters have been avoiding the question of what exactly Don Lemon did wrong by replying, off topic, that Don Lemon thinks there is an attack on journalism. As if that has anything to do with behaviors and statutes.

There is an attack on journalism and it explains the inappropriate prosecution of Don Lemon. But he is not using that as a legal defense. He is using the fact that his actions were legal as a legal defense.

The other version of the same fallacy is to claim that Don Lemon is suggesting that journalism is some "break the law free" card, when of course he is not suggesting that. Reporting that you are doing journalism lawfully does not mean you think it's okay to do journalism unlawfully. It is true that he says he was doing journalism. It is not true that he contends it means he can break the law.

When Don Lemon (and countless others) bring up an attack on journalism, they are not explaining Don Lemon's behavior. They are explaining the prosecutors' inappropriate behavior.

MOO
I have heard Lemon claiming that there is some attack on journalism and other that calling a reporter a name, we don't have any.

We do have Lemon refusing to leave when asked and continuously disrupting a church service. preventing others from exercising their 1st Amendment rights. There have been some instances of poster who apparently feel that this is legal.
 
  • #1,999
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  • #2,000
The FACE Act was passed in 1994.

I would not be surprised if the big news agencies such as CNN have legal departments. These legal departments might get pretty nervous about ideas like:

Hey, there is going to be a protest inside a Church. Lets follow them there, and go inside. Our reporters then get the hot scoops for our viewers.
Don Lemon talked about the possibility of getting arrested in his livestream. I think he had an idea he was doing something wrong. He also remained after being asked to leave, this suggests he had an awareness he was going against property owner’s wishes. imo
 

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