MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[4senthia]

Yeah. For the majority of society - and everyone who's here on this forum - actually carrying out violence, arson, murder, and the like doesn't even occur to us as legitimate + realistic action on another human being, no matter who they are or as a reaction to his/her own negative behavior, real or perceived.

I feel like every other day one of us alludes to the difficulty of wrapping our heads around that kind of cruelty, but I'm grateful that something like this is so shocking because that means it's so alien to many of us a way of attempting to solve anything in life. Ugh. :-(

You are so right. This is so true. Not just to find murder or even cruelty revolting, but none of us wants to give up the freedom we have for our one unique lifetime. Our one guaranteed lifetime that is tangible and full of laughter and tears and goals and achievements, of failures and lessons learned, of loves and growth. Jessica represents one such a life to any and all who look at her case and feel the shock, the total disgust at the unknown force that brought this horrible thing into existence. That forces us to look at something we don't want to see, that we don't want to believe exists on the same plane as we do.
Yes we each value our lives and our freedom. Consider that the "force" that was behind the lighting of this match cares very little for their own lifetime on this earth or for any form of retribution the law could/might eventually bring their way. What mind is so broken and so irretrievably lost to humanity to not only conceive this event but to carry it out?
It's in the terrible facts, the messy ash-coated specifics, the totality of the human condition, that leaves us sickened to our stomachs. Almost feverish from what society has not only accepted but the fruit it has now borne and the downright evil manifest amongst us. We can choose to take the popular tack and close our eyes and ears and set our sails away from these troubled waters. Who could blame any for that choice? Or we can make the continued conscious decision to look at this case as nauseating and bereft of humanity as it is even if it is only a few of us who cry out in anger and disgust compared to the majority "out there" who will tune this out, who will continue to look away from the disaster of Jessica and those other poor souls like her.
I don't know anyone who is spotless without flaws. I don't expect that I ever will. Jessica is unknown to me but I can state with certainty that no one has ever done any act that deserves immolation without further thought.
There is a stubborn web of deceit and confusion that seems to grow daily for those of us who are trying to find a way thru to see the real young lady at the midst of this tragedy. We cannot and will not solve the crime for her. We can debate whether LE knows what they are doing, if and how gangs or drugs may have been involved, if females actually put this horrid thing into action, if Jessica actually had any real friends in her immediate circle...but we cannot know what isn't told to us.
We have nothing really because we value life, we value kindness, we despise violence and murder, we love our freedoms; how can our minds understand those behind this? Only by going very deep into a culture that exists not just in Courtland but in fact can be found all over the world. And after a while it just makes you sick inside and you have to take some time to contemplate this life, what it really means to be a human, and where do we draw the line?
Sorry but I am so saddened by all of these cases and this one in particular that I find it hard to look out at the gray winter day and believe that spring will come with new life and such. How will that be any different from December 2014 to Jessica's family? For now, that's when time stopped for them. :moo:

 

[cady]

Where is this coming from, this idea of being tortured before death? We have heard conflicting reports about her being beaten, the only specifics given being that she had a big gash in her head. Her mother disputed that and no medical information was given. The manner of death was horrifying but to suggest she was tortured before being set on fire goes beyond the limited information we've received.

Well, if accelerant was poured down her throat, which is poison, whether or not it is lit, I would call that torture, and using fire on a person is torture in my book. She reportedly LIVED for several hours in anguish. If that isn't torture, I don't know what is. JMO

 

[CHERIE.T]

Well, if accelerant was poured down her throat, which is poison, whether or not it is lit, I would call that torture, and using fire on a person is torture in my book. She reportedly LIVED for several hours in anguish. If that isn't torture, I don't know what is. JMO

Absolutely agree on your valid point.:clap:

 

[Yvettea]

Yes, if. But first it would have to be determined that someone did that to her.

Well, if accelerant was poured down her throat, which is poison, whether or not it is lit, I would call that torture, and using fire on a person is torture in my book. She reportedly LIVED for several hours in anguish. If that isn't torture, I don't know what is. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well, if accelerant was poured down her throat, which is poison, whether or not it is lit, I would call that torture, and using fire on a person is torture in my book. She reportedly LIVED for several hours in anguish. If that isn't torture, I don't know what is. JMO

ITA. Of course dousing a human being with a flammable liquid and setting them on fire is torture. I'm shocked anyone would consider it anything other than barbaric.

 

[CHERIE.T]

ITA. Of course dousing a human being with a flammable liquid and setting them on fire is torture. I'm shocked anyone would consider it anything other than barbaric.

^^^^^ that!

 

[bessie]

ITA. Of course dousing a human being with a flammable liquid and setting them on fire is torture. I'm shocked anyone would consider it anything other than barbaric.

No one is disputing that the above is true. Here is what's in question: whether or not accelerant was poured down the poor girl's throat.

 

[Yvettea]

Looked for an explanation of web-sleuths purpose or stated objective but couldn't find it. Maybe a moderator can point to that. TIA

 

[MyBelle]

No one is disputing that the above is true. Here is what's in question: whether or not accelerant was poured down the poor girl's throat.

I was responding to the post that suggested she wasn't tortured prior to being set on fire. To me, setting her on fire was an act torture in and of itself. Her family has said physicians told them about the flammable liquid and I'm not in a position to dispute what they were told.

According to Chambers' family members, a doctor told them that a flammable substance was forced down her throat and nose before she was set on fire, Dees reported.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/...sica-chambers-burned-alive-police-hunt-killer

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Hard to say at this point how the accelerant being poured down her throat came to be. We know Mr. Chambers stated it as coming from the doctor. We also know that LE hasn't confirmed it. I have gone back and forth in my own mind as to whether or not to consider it as far as my theory goes in what happened to her. I lean towards believing it for right now because, while it wasn't confirmed, it wasn't denied. I would think LE would have a reason to deny it if it were not true, but LESS of a reason to confirm it if it WAS true. It must have originated from somewhere because it would be very hard to see why a detail so horrible would be reported by a family member unless they had reason to believe it. Of course, that is just where I am with it. No proof either way.

 

[ZOOL]

Here are a few crime scene photos showing the tracks in the mud up the embankment.

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Understandably, the original tracks were destroyed by the tow truck but, the angle in which JC's car was positioned is still evident in these pictures IMO.

In order to tow the car away, the tow truck driver would have had to line up the lift bed to the car. Chain the car, and then drag it onto the bed.

Looking at the angle of the tracks in relationship to Herron Road and the fence, it is my opinion that JC's car was traveling NE and made a sharp right turn towards the tree where it came to a stop. Contrary to that, if she simply pulled off to the side of the road "normally", she would have:

a.) pulled directly into the dirt driveway OR
b.) if she wanted to actually drive up the embankment, she would have driven in from Herron Road at much less of an angle.​

IMO, the position in which her car was found is not natural (from either direction on Herron Road).

I'm yet to see any pictures of Herron Road where any skid marks were present. No skid marks, no brakes – for the most part.

If another car was traveling SW towards JC (traveling NE), it is possible that JC swerved hard and to the right to avoid a head-on collision. Being that her car did not slam into the tree leads me to believe that she was not speeding or driving too fast. The embankment would have also stopped her car as well and possibly cause JC to gash her head.

Was this possibly an accident? An accident with a cover-up? Did someone deliberately run her off the road? Could someone else have been in the car and pulled the steering wheel to the right causing the car to drive up the embankment?

We all know the final outcome but, how and why did her car end up where it did in the first place?

In looking at the crime scene from distances 250-feet either side of what appears to be a hill in the roadway, I can envision a situation where a speeding, approaching car with its high-beams could momentarily blind the other car. The probability of that blinded car then suddenly ending randomly in the clearing of the crime scene seems astronomical.

I am more inclined to believe that Jessica's car ended in the crime scene by design.

However if, in fact, the former is a possibility, then I would immediately suspect the 911 passing motorist to have caused the accident. Proving that would be next to impossible without a confession.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I was responding to the post that suggested she wasn't tortured prior to being set on fire. To me, setting her on fire was an act torture in and of itself. Her family has said physicians told them about the flammable liquid and I'm not in a position to dispute what they were told.

According to Chambers' family members, a doctor told them that a flammable substance was forced down her throat and nose before she was set on fire, Dees reported.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/...sica-chambers-burned-alive-police-hunt-killer

I appreciate you posting the link. thanks

 

[bessie]

I was responding to the post that suggested she wasn't tortured prior to being set on fire. To me, setting her on fire was an act torture in and of itself. Her family has said physicians told them about the flammable liquid and I'm not in a position to dispute what they were told.

According to Chambers' family members, a doctor told them that a flammable substance was forced down her throat and nose before she was set on fire, Dees reported.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/...sica-chambers-burned-alive-police-hunt-killer

Clay ChandlerVerified account ‏@claychand

Darby: "we're on rumor control." Says much of what family has said about use of accelerant is not true.
9:24 AM - 11 Dec 2014
https://twitter.com/claychand/status/543093103897608193


Darby clarified that they've been unable to confirm forensically if accelerant was actually poured on Jessica.
9:28 AM - 11 Dec 2014
https://twitter.com/claychand/status/543093921828855808

Though authorities are releasing sparse details of the crime and investigation — at least some of which can be attributed to a dearth of information — they have determined an accelerant was used in the blaze, but it’s not clear whether the accelerant was poured on the car or Chambers herself, Champion has said.
http://fox6now.com/2014/12/12/jessica-chambers-phone-provides-leads-prosecutor-says/

Investigators are looking into reports that a fire accelerant was poured on Jessica Chambers before she was set on fire. Investigators say the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms has a lab in Atlanta that may be useful in this case.
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...enforcement-agencies-in-jessica-chambers-case

 

[Concerned Mama]

Let's say that it is true that there was accelerant poured down her throat. Don't you think it could be a way to say ''You're not going to talk about anything''? If she was about to give information about one gang to, let's say, another gang, or the author for her book, or the police, it could have been some sort of symbolism, in my opinion. And if the people in the area learn about the gas down her throat, then perhaps they could identify what it meant, that it was a warning to anyone who'd be tempted to talk about their business.

The only thing that bugs me with this idea is, how were people supposed to know right away that there was accelerant there? I mean, at first, it should have been reported that the girl was put on fire but the perps sure couldn't think that the autopsy would be done right there at the crime scene.

Who first said (publicly) that there was accelerant poured down her throat? AA?

This is pretty much in line with what I was thinking and posted last night in the poll. We don't know if accelerant was poured down Jessica's throat or not. Despite statements from Ben Chambers and Ali A, official statements are not confirming (actually, denying) that it happened (thank you, bessie, for the links). I was simply stating last night that IF it turns out accelerant was poured in her mouth, and that her death was an act of revenge or a warning, the message of This is what happens to people who talk would be frighteningly clear. I was trying to think of what motive a person could possibly have for doing something so horrific (as if setting somebody on fire isn't horrific enough).

Just an opinion based on a possible theory. That's all.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Clay ChandlerVerified account ‏@claychand

Darby: "we're on rumor control." Says much of what family has said about use of accelerant is not true.
9:24 AM - 11 Dec 2014
https://twitter.com/claychand/status/543093103897608193


Darby clarified that they've been unable to confirm forensically if accelerant was actually poured on Jessica.
9:28 AM - 11 Dec 2014
https://twitter.com/claychand/status/543093921828855808

Lol. Pretty sure this is why LE isn't giving the family any info. They don't want it on the news.

I will add, though, that the comments made by Darby about them not being proven forensically may have occurred before autopsy results were in, so I woukdnt rule out the accelerant stuff. I think those comments were made within a week of her death.

 

[bessie]

Lol. Pretty sure this is why LE isn't giving the family any info. They don't want it on the news.

I will add, though, that the comments made by Darby about them not being proven forensically may have occurred before autopsy results were in, so I woukdnt rule out the accelerant stuff. I think those comments were made within a week of her death.

I agree that by now it's likely been determined if accelerant was poured or spilled on JC, or if accelerant came in contact only with the vehicle. Those results have not been made public, however, so we can't rule it either "in" or "out". We simply don't know, and the former is as likely to be true as the latter.

 

[Yvettea]

I am more inclined to believe that Jessica's car ended in the crime scene by design.

It would be a very strange confluence of circumstances that would result in her car being there by anything other than design, Jessica's or someone else.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I agree that by now it's likely been determined if accelerant was poured or spilled on JC, or if accelerant came in contact only with the vehicle. Those results have not been made public, however, so we can't rule it either "in" or "out". We simply don't know, and the former is as likely to be true as the latter.

Oh, I agree. I lean towards it being true, but I certainly haven't made it an absolute. A horrific as being burned to death is, pouring an accelerant down someone's throat ratchets it up a notch in my book. I just think LE had every reason to want to suppress that info, true or not.

 

[Yvettea]

Oh, I agree. I lean towards it being true, but I certainly haven't made it an absolute. A horrific as being burned to death is, pouring an accelerant down someone's throat ratchets it up a notch in my book. I just think LE had every reason to want to suppress that info, true or not.

Isn't it strange how little we know about how the community is reacting to this case?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Clay ChandlerVerified account ‏@claychand

Darby: "we're on rumor control." Says much of what family has said about use of accelerant is not true.
9:24 AM - 11 Dec 2014
https://twitter.com/claychand/status/543093103897608193


Darby clarified that they've been unable to confirm forensically if accelerant was actually poured on Jessica.
9:28 AM - 11 Dec 2014
https://twitter.com/claychand/status/543093921828855808

Though authorities are releasing sparse details of the crime and investigation — at least some of which can be attributed to a dearth of information — they have determined an accelerant was used in the blaze, but it’s not clear whether the accelerant was poured on the car or Chambers herself, Champion has said.
http://fox6now.com/2014/12/12/jessica-chambers-phone-provides-leads-prosecutor-says/

Investigators are looking into reports that a fire accelerant was poured on Jessica Chambers before she was set on fire. Investigators say the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms has a lab in Atlanta that may be useful in this case.
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...enforcement-agencies-in-jessica-chambers-case

This could change a lot if it is found no accelerant was used on her directly. Thanks, Bessie!