Nancy Grace: 2009.08.31

[Muffet]

What bothers me is, whether she passed or failed the poly is moot but -- afterwards she shared new info on a dream with a party and maybe 4 people. It seems everytime there is some new info that should be aggressively pursued.

RC sticks with the original set of inconsistencies but there are new ones. Is MC trying to deflect or is this her way of spilling some 'half truths'? She cannot tell the truth or cannot recall but the story is evolving and, to me, that needs to be explored to see what comes of it.

Lacks focus on the fundamentals, a solid story and, timeline ..... just like the A's. A story should not change if it is a true experience and recounting.

Good points, cyberborg. For me, it's a matter of asking myself, with which possibility is the behavior that we observe most consistent? What choice leaves me with the least need to rationalize?

To my mind, hypothesizing that he is directly guilty or simply guilty of covering something up, I find nothing I need to contort my way around to explain. His behavior is pretty much what I would expect it to be, if that hypothesis is true.

On the other hand, under the hypothesis that he is utterly in the dark, innocent, and sincerely trusts Misty, I'm left with too many inconsistencies requiring rationalizations and reaches for explanations.

It's like threading a screw in crooked. It can be done, but it takes more effort than it should and keeps going off track. If I kept forcing it, it would be easier, but only because I had stripped the threads that gave me the feedback I needed to be sound.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Exactly!!! This is what I'm reading between the lines. This case is one of the "Read in between the lines" concerning everyone including LE, Nancy's show tonight, on and on. He was never said he trusted her, he said he doesn't know how she failed. I frankly don't believe he understands the dynamics and interpretations on how it all works anyway, I know I don't and didn't but learned alot tonight on Nancy with TJ Harts statements.

Which I brought up, I saw Ron change after the polygrapher spoke, his eyes looking glaring, then out pops, "Let them fry no matter who it hurts". Then commercial break, Nancy comes back on and re-itterates and asks Ron to clarify if she was understanding that to mean and include Misty, his wife. And there again, he states with full authority and determination in his voice, " Let them fry". Point met it's end.

Someone needs to now have Misty in some type of custody, for her safety, and to protect anyone family member from losing it with her or suspects in the days to come so they won't commit a crime within this crime. In other words, for R and M, they don't need to be together and alone for the time being. Someone is going to get hurt, and I pray not.
For most everyone is going through far enough, including us as citizens who care for Haleigh.

bbm~
that statement really seemed odd to me. IMO, it was like a Freudian slip and Ron knows that HaLeigh is deceased. If he believed HaLeigh was alive, why would he even make the comment 'let em fry'? If she were abducted and alive, nobody's gonna fry....hmm....maybe it's just me..:waitasec:

 

[LaLaw2000]

Well, so much for Ronald and Tim being friends. And Miss Misty can say whatever she likes because there is still her written statement that she wanted to take the poly and was doing so of her own free will. She even acknowledged that her attorney had advised her against it.

Now Ronald doesn't want to acknowledge that misty failed all polys miserably. He doesn't want to offer an opinion on Nancy Grace. He is sticking by his lying wife. Okay. So be it. I hope they both go down and really soon.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Question for PattyG: On the 4th tape at 7:50 there is a sound and I am trying to determine if it was someone on the panel or if it someone at your house. Could you help me out here? Thanks~

 

[Whisperer]

Frankly, I am sick of this focus on Haleigh carp. What he is saying is "Stop focusing on Me and Misty".

Same thing as the Anthony's did. When they didn't like the question, they'd say the same thing.

I am not buying it...no way. These are the only two cases that keep singing the same song. The grandparents knew what happened to Caylee too yet they continued this search all over the country. It is called deflection.

Rc needs to be looking in his own backyard. Maybe while there he will find one of those looking glass balls and see his reflection.

 

[Busylady]

I think Tim Miller does amazing work, however after spending hours researching the party he brought in for these tests, as well as his decision to have a camera crew there and then release these videos to the media I have to question the motives.

The Cummings family thought he was coming in to help them search, I am sure they feel betrayed at this moment. People want Ron to take action to find his daughter and when he tries he gets blindsided, yet he keeps trying. I don't know that Ron or Misty have lied about what Tim did or did not do, I was not there.

I believe Ron is looking everywhere including right in front of him. I think it was obvious RC has some doubts about Misty but he kicks her to the curb he might feel like he loses all chances of finding Haleigh. I am not Haleighs parent and I find it very very difficult to give up hope that Haleigh is alive, as her father I am sure giving up that hope is next to impossible. LE gave out info that they thought Haleigh could be alive, LE has stated that his wife holds the answers as to finding Haleigh, by cutting her out of his life he is giving up hope. IMO he is starting to accept that Haleigh might not be alive anymore, and he is doubting Misty but isn't willing to give up all hope at this point.

It is easy for people to sit on the internet and point fingers and say you should act this way or that way or you should be doing this and if you don't you are guilty. If it was me I would do this or that, but we don't really know unless we are walking in their shoes. We forget that these players have so much more information than we have, there every move is scrutinized and judged, info we are digesting today they may have digested months ago. This is their life 24/7, yes many us have been consumed by Haleigh, but we still sit down with our families and eat dinner, we still watch our children play, watch our children head to school our lives are going forward theirs are at a standstill.

Busy, you have high respect for Tim Miller, don't you? What spin can be put on the fact that Ron and Misty just threw him under the bus and blatantly LIED about him and his actions?

You're right, Haleigh has to be found and instead of Ron looking everywhere but right in FRONT of his eyes, is not helping. If you can't see that, I honestly don't know what to say anymore.

 

[cyberborg]

Here is the video to Ron and Misty's interview on the 11:00 news. (where they crucify Tim Miller)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx

Hmmmm? So how does this help bring Haleigh home? Once again the drama is the family and not the poor victim. Bite the hand that could help you ..... while tripping over yourselves to defend your image. What happened to I will do anything and everything to find Haleigh ....... (as long as......)

 

[Busylady]

If someone took my daughter and held her for six months while I would be thankful and grateful that she was found alive - I certainly would want the person who took her to pay dearly for what they had done.

bbm~
that statement really seemed odd to me. IMO, it was like a Freudian slip and Ron knows that HaLeigh is deceased. If he believed HaLeigh was alive, why would he even make the comment 'let em fry'? If she were abducted and alive, nobody's gonna fry....hmm....maybe it's just me..:waitasec:

 

[static]

Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...144221&catid=3

ST. AUGUSTINE, FL -- Misty and Ronald Cummings say they hoped Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch was going to help them find Haleigh Cummings, who disappeared in February.

Instead, they claim he took them out of town and tricked them the week of August 20th.



Is this the new lying, cover my own a$$ code of conduct?????
When I get caught in a lie and the truth becomes obvious blame Tim Miller?????? I really hope Misty gets to be Casey's next door neighbor in jail... They can compare notes...

 

[mysticrose]

Well, so much for Ronald and Tim being friends. And Miss Misty can say whatever she likes because there is still her written statement that she wanted to take the poly and was doing so of her own free will. She even acknowledged that her attorney had advised her against it.

Now Ronald doesn't want to acknowledge that misty failed all polys miserably. He doesn't want to offer an opinion on Nancy Grace. He is sticking by his lying wife. Okay. So be it. I hope they both go down and really soon.

BBM..
Thank you LaLaw for posting this I was about to do the same. I'm telling you Misty is starting to :furious: my bum. That was a flat out blatant lie on that video w/ her and Ron, and she didn't even flinch. She can not keep anything straight..If I was her lawyer perhaps I would review statements made before I put my foot in my mouth...

 

[tehcloser]

I think Tim Miller does amazing work, however after spending hours researching the party he brought in for these tests, as well as his decision to have a camera crew there and then release these videos to the media I have to question the motives.

The Cummings family thought he was coming in to help them search, I am sure they feel betrayed at this moment. People want Ron to take action to find his daughter and when he tries he gets blindsided, yet he keeps trying. I don't know that Ron or Misty have lied about what Tim did or did not do, I was not there.

I believe Ron is looking everywhere including right in front of him. I think it was obvious RC has some doubts about Misty but he kicks her to the curb he might feel like he loses all chances of finding Haleigh. I am not Haleighs parent and I find it very very difficult to give up hope that Haleigh is alive, as her father I am sure giving up that hope is next to impossible. LE gave out info that they thought Haleigh could be alive, LE has stated that his wife holds the answers as to finding Haleigh, by cutting her out of his life he is giving up hope. IMO he is starting to accept that Haleigh might not be alive anymore, and he is doubting Misty but isn't willing to give up all hope at this point.

It is easy for people to sit on the internet and point fingers and say you should act this way or that way or you should be doing this and if you don't you are guilty. If it was me I would do this or that, but we don't really know unless we are walking in there shoes. We forget that these players have so much more information than we have, there every move is scrutinized and judged, info we are digesting today they may have digested months ago. This is their life 24/7, yes many us have been consumed by Haleigh, but we still sit down with our families and eat dinner, we still watch our children play, watch our children head to school our lives are going forward theirs are at a standstill.

bbm

The only motives I would question are Ron and Misty's not a man as devoted as Tim Miller. And quiet frankly I am shocked that anyone here, who by the nature of this forum, knows more than most about how hard Tim works and how honest and moral he is..........could question his motives. Sad day, when a man of utmost integrity gets questioned, and a pass issued to Ron and Misty.

 

[twall]

Question for PattyG: On the 4th tape at 7:50 there is a sound and I am trying to determine if it was someone on the panel or if it someone at your house. Could you help me out here? Thanks~

I'm not Patty but I can answer. It was Patty laughing at Eleanor Dixon's statement about Ron being in "matrimonial bliss".

Gotta get you some of those Sony ear buds, SS!

 

[Whisperer]

Hypothetically speaking....If this were good crime solving mystery movie and RC and M did know what happened that day, Misty's life wouldn't be worth much.....which is probably why Misty's family wanted to rescue her....IMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

Frankly, I am sick of this focus on Haleigh carp. What he is saying is "Stop focusing on Me and Misty".

Same thing as the Anthony's did. When they didn't like the question, they'd say the same thing.

I am not buying it...no way. These are the only two cases that keep singing the same song. The grandparents knew what happened to Caylee too yet they continued this search all over the country. It is called deflection.

Rc needs to be looking in his own backyard. Maybe while there he will find one of those looking glass balls and see his reflection.

:clap:

Exactly! What I like about your posts is the way you tell it like it really is.

 

[twall]

Misty Cummings said she did not call her attorney before taking the polygraph because she thought she could take it on her own.

Statement taken from article at link tehcloser submitted.

WTH? Didn't her lawyer state in an earlier news article that MC asked him about taking it and he advised her not to but she did it anyway? Didn't she write that in the document posted in her handwriting and signed by her? Blatent lie, imo.
It can't get any clearer to me that she is lying.
New poll-Who lies more? Casey or Misty?

I posted this on another thread and am bringing it here, also.

 

[Busylady]

I said Tim does amazing work, I also have personally met him and worked with him a bit on a local case. I have tried to understand a reasoning behind him filming this and releasing these videos, I cannot come up with one good reason on how that helped find Haleigh. I also do not understand his choice of who he brought in for these test. I admire Marc K as well and he too appears to have some questions regarding how Tim has handled all this.

bbm

The only motives I would question are Ron and Misty's not a man as devoted as Tim Miller. And quiet frankly I am shocked that anyone here, who by the nature of this forum, knows more than most about how hard Tim works and how honest and moral he is..........could question his motives. Sad day, when a man of utmost integrity gets questioned, and a pass issued to Ron and Misty.

 

[Emeralgem]

It should...it SHOULD...but will it? Somehow I have my strong doubts that nothing will achieve the "eye opening" that so desperately needs to happen.
What a darn shame.
Ron said that he knows that Misty has NOTHING to tell LE that will help to find Haleigh. I feel like I am going to be sick....Literally.

Poor Haleigh.

BBM..Ya know, this is one statement I believe could be TRUE...Misty does not know who took Haleigh or where they took her. So she isn't capable of telling LE where they can find Haleigh...
Ron C is the one responsible for her disappearance though and knows who took her and where she is..JMO

 

[cyberborg]

bbm

The only motives I would question are Ron and Misty's not a man as devoted as Tim Miller. And quiet frankly I am shocked that anyone here, who by the nature of this forum, knows more than most about how hard Tim works and how honest and moral he is..........could question his motives. Sad day, when a man of utmost integrity gets questioned, and a pass issued to Ron and Misty.

ITA! To me, TM is representing Haleigh (victim) and he did these tests to try to surface new leads and possible search areas. TM, as an advocate for Haleigh (victim) felt the need to get to the truth based on prior briefings and it serves both sides to video the proceedings, to keep both parties honest.

To shine a spotlight on this whole thing is all good because the truth can stand up to the scrutiny where these lies can be and should be exposed. TM is doing the right thing for Haleigh (victim) and if MC (and RC) needs to be exposed then ..... so be it!

 

[Muffet]

[...] I don't know that Ron or Misty have lied about what Tim did or did not do, I was not there. [...]

This is an example of what I was referring to earlier. I completely respect other's rights to see things differently, but Tim said they were lying. For me to have to consider Tim Miller to be the liar and Ron and Misty the truth-tellers, I'd have to push back too much cognitive dissonance, telling me my screw is crooked and I need to back out and start over, no matter how invested I was in getting it as far as I had.
(How's that for a run-on sentence? :crazy

 

[tehcloser]

I said Tim does amazing work, I also have personally met him and worked with him a bit on a local case. I have tried to understand a reasoning behind him filming this and releasing these videos, I cannot come up with one good reason on how that helped find Haleigh. I also do not understand his choice of who he brought in for these test. I admire Marc K as well and he too appears to have some questions regarding how Tim has handled all this.

I would imagine he released them because he knew what was coming from Ron and Misty, that they were going to throw him under the bus, because she looks bad. And I would imagine he filmed them in the first place, so if anything came out of it they would have it on tape. And it has helped in the search to find Haleigh because it is getting information out there that Misty is not telling the truth, and it's putting pressure on her.which is something that should have been done long ago.