• #20,821
No, the detainee, her son in law's name is similar to his father's. This woman is talking about HER son who was home when LE searched it. People are confusing her son-in-law and her son.
That’s exactly what i said. Why are you correcting me??
 
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The look through @dannybavaro’s camera as forensics teams take a blue light to the car Pima County Sheriff’s deputies stopped in Rio Rico. Usually used to try to find fingerprints or bodily fluids.

As far as we know investigators still don’t know where Nancy Guthrie is.

I’m wondering if they got a tip that he was a driver/accomplice to the man on the videos, or noticed his vehicle on one of the surveillance videos in the right time frame. MOO.
 
  • #20,824
I am pretty skeptical this is the guy. I mean, he sounds like he works a regular job delivering packages during the week....albeit in Tuscon, and is home every Fri night thru Monday morning. Also lives with what seems to be a large family including his kids. How would be possibly kidnap someone and hope to keep that hidden from his family while also working a job Mon-Fri?

Seems odd. The only thing that could give him a connection to NG is if delivered packages to her during the week. Otherwise I am thinking, if he is connected, it is him trying to scam the family with the ransom demands.
He has motive (needs $) and could be one of a few people in on this. Just because he has kids doesn’t mean he can’t be a criminal too. And Nancy might have been or currently be somewhere else besides his house. MOO
 
  • #20,825
I am pretty skeptical this is the guy. I mean, he sounds like he works a regular job delivering packages during the week....albeit in Tuscon, and is home every Fri night thru Monday morning. Also lives with what seems to be a large family including his kids. How would be possibly kidnap someone and hope to keep that hidden from his family while also working a job Mon-Fri?

Seems odd. The only thing that could give him a connection to NG is if delivered packages to her during the week. Otherwise I am thinking, if he is connected, it is him trying to scam the family with the ransom demands.
Lots of criminals (for ex. Serial killers) lead double lives with family then sinister alter ego. Living with a family doesn’t always mean you are Mother Theresa imo
 
  • #20,826
Just my late night thoughts. I wonder if they realized that Nancy needed her medication to live after the fact and she ended up passing. So they decided not to go through with the ransom.
I don't see why they wouldn't. They're already in the frame for manslaughter or whatever, so things couldn't get much worse for them.
 
  • #20,827
I’m wondering if they got a tip that he was a driver/accomplice to the man on the videos, or noticed his vehicle on one of the surveillance videos in the right time frame. MOO.

Im leaning towards the vehicle leading them to him, but thats just speculation.
 
  • #20,828
The news keeps saying it’s a common way of carrying for people in that area, as well as women in general? They’re calling it “Mexican carry”. I’m in PA and have never seen such a thing…
Just asking, but have you been trained about the ways of the Mexican Mafia Cartel?
 
  • #20,829
I thought she was calling her son in law her son. Close families do that. But maybe I’m wrong
They are two different people!

The SIL was out door dashing, got pulled over and detained. He is the POI.

The cops separately have gone to the house. Without the detainee. While searching the house they handcuffed, as a precaution, another young man. The son. Who was then unhandcuffed.
 
  • #20,830
A few points of note (without me injecting my conclusions)

Crypto ransoms take a high degree of skill to pull off. POI would need to understand how to cold store BTC. Not on a hot wallet like Ledger. True cold storage takes sophistication and years of planning (storing keys and sleepy wallets with NO prior transactions). After the ransom is paid, POI would then need to use a crypto mixer like Monero or similar to breakdown the BTC, send it to hundreds of wallets, wash the hashes in thousands of transactions and then recollect the BTC once its been washed. After all that, they’d need a laundering scheme to convert the cleaned crypto into fiat. This person(s) would NOT send notes to the media. They understand anonymity and would avoid hot contact (I.e internet contact)

If you’re confused, you’re not the culprit. That gives a sense for the kind of person or persons skilled enough to pull off a crypto ransom. And that says nothing of the skill to kidnap someone. Those are two very different skill sets that rarely occur in one person.
 
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Lots of criminals (for ex. Serial killers) lead double lives with family then sinister alter ego. Living with a family doesn’t always mean you are Mother Theresa imo
But it does mean your movements and activities are observed by a number of people.
 
  • #20,833
Maybe his cellphone came up on a geofence search of those who had been in area between those hours when nancy disappeared but he was just out there doing door dash...and here we are ~ im just grasping, fwiw.
 
  • #20,834
Yes. CNN reported that 7 people live in that house.

Pretty sure someone would have noticed if he were in and out going to tend to his kidnap victim. And where would he be housing her if he can’t even afford a separate dwelling for his wife and children?
In the broken van?
 
  • #20,835
All of my packages from UPS, Fed Ex, Prime have my full name on them.
I just don't think a package delivery person would think "Oh Savannah Guthrie"....I just don't. I would think Woody Guthrie or Arlo Guthrie. Seriously, package delivery people generally don't watch the Today Show. Now if their last name was like K................, sure they would take notice, but not Guthrie. Honestly, if I knew someone with the last night Guthrie, I wouldn't think of Savannah. I wouldn't think of anything.......It's a common name.
 
  • #20,836
I had a random Crime FB post pop up on my FB....it says there was a missing hiker as well as a missing elderly woman (not Nancy), missing in the area. The FB page was True Crime Online.
It was definitely a medical transport from a little south of where the person was detained to the trauma center in Tucson. I haven't seen a release from the hospital, sg or directly from the so that it wasn't NG so I'm not ruling it out yet.
Moo
 
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Anyone else unable to sleep because the eerie doorbell cam footage is creeping them out?
 
  • #20,839
It was definitely a medical transport from a little south of where the person was detained to the trauma center in Tucson. I haven't seen a release from the hospital, sg or directly from the so that it wasn't NG so I'm not ruling it out yet.
Moo
The sheriff confirmed to a news anchor on a phone call that the helicopter was not in relation to this case it was linked in a post a couple of pages back.
 
  • #20,840
On the premises in the hot sun with no toilet for 10 days? And no one would notice?
The obvious answer is that he either never had Nancy Guthrie in his posession, or had her in his posession for a very short time only.
 
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