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I apologize if this has already been brought up — I’ve been trying to keep up, but had to tend to a lot of my “real life” stuff today.

Has it been discussed that the video guy may have expected the camera to already be gone/taken care of? If he’s not the “mastermind” of the crime, and was told what to expect when he got there, but then found it not as expected?

I read over the last few pages, but otherwise haven’t seen any of today’s discussion. I hate being that person, if it’s been discussed at length and I’m cluttering up the thread!
 
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That glove is an excellent shape for sitting in the desert sun for 10 days. It still maintains the shape of the hand that discarded it! I see no pollen or dirt on the thing.

I feel bad for the person who discarded it! (Unless of course, it's the perp) But I sense a false arrest on the horizon.


BBM - above

The best illustration ever for not being a litterbug: getting caught up in the net of one of the biggest crime stories in recent memory.
 
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That glove is an excellent shape for sitting in the desert sun for 10 days. It still maintains the shape of the hand that discarded it! I see no pollen or dirt on the thing.

I feel bad for the person who discarded it! (Unless of course, it's the perp) But I sense a false arrest on the horizon.


Looks like it is pointing in a “this way” gesture. Imo
 
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Mark Kelly. He doesn't run FBI though but he may have some contacts that could help retired etc.
Yep, thx.
I was able to dig up some links. in my previous post.
 
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Does that make it any better that they were tracking him and it looks like it wasn't him at all?
I think so. I was worried earlier they had more of a knee jerk reaction to a tip.
 
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NG being picked up by someone to go to the group church gathering was, iirc, a poster surmising that might be the case.

I’ve not seen that confirmed anywhere.

Do you have a link?

The article I saw said this: (link)

“On Sunday, Feb. 1, Nancy was expected to be at a friend’s home to watch the livestream, as she had done every week. When she failed to arrive, members of the friend group became concerned.”

When it said “when she failed to arrive”, I thought it sounded like she was driving herself to her friend’s home.

Maybe just my interpretation.
 
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And wasn't the back door open when family got there? I need to look that up --- but I am pretty sure I saw that. With the blood on the front porch, I assume they for sure went out that the front.
Yes, I think they said back slider wide open. Yes, trail of very small blood drops, front door, whole walkway, to circular driveway. Probably, car was brought to driveway, when she was moved🥺

JMO
 
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Most likely already brought up. But I put the picture up of the door and watched the video several times. Looks like he definitely pushed the doorbell three times while covering the camera with his glove. Why ring the bell if it was planned. I've all along thought the BIL but he would have a key I am sure. Such a puzzling case.
He couldn't have used a key until the camera was disabled? I mean that's just common sense.
 
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Or don't even see SG but see an older woman, lives alone who appears well off...which is an easier mark I think at this point someone who did work at the house or provided services is a sensical avenue - it is someone familiar, with access and knowledge. imo
Yes NG is well to do, but obviously not living in a mansion or living in the lap of luxury. Without seeing the picture of SG, random service people wouldn't assume the family or NG had $6 million to spare?
 
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Most likely already brought up. But I put the picture up of the door and watched the video several times. Looks like he definitely pushed the doorbell three times while covering the camera with his glove. Why ring the bell if it was planned. I've all along thought the BIL but he would have a key I am sure. Such a puzzling case.
Could he have rung the doorbell to let his accomplice know he (getaway driver?) was there?
 
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I’m wondering if a possible explanation for one of the two cops at AG’s house leaving with a bag of groceries today could be that the family needed some supplies/toiletries/snacks but didn’t want to risk their privacy, and more importantly, their life safety, by either going to a physical store, or typing in the address for where they’re currently staying when ordering online, where it could be viewable, and thus leakable, by website staff, the personal shopper and other in-store staff, the delivery driver etc.

If there’s a policeman going to the house every day, to remove mail while wearing gloves, in case a hard-copy ransom letter gets sent there in the family’s absence, maybe the family said “We’re going to be ordering a few things from Whole Foods, with a “Leave on the doorstep” instruction. Please could you have someone bring it to our secure, unknown location when your guy goes today to get the mail?”

Just my own thoughts and opinion, but it crossed my mind as a possibility.
 
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I’m wondering if a possible explanation for one of the two cops at AG’s house leaving with a bag of groceries today could be that the family needed some supplies/toiletries/snacks but didn’t want to risk their privacy, and more importantly, their life safety, by either going to a physical store, or entering the address for where they’re currently staying when ordering online, where it could be viewable, and thus leakable, by store website staff, the personal shopper and other in-store staff, the delivery driver etc.

If there’s a policeman going to the house every day, to remove mail while wearing gloves, in case a hard-copy ransom letter gets sent there in the family’s absense, maybe the family said “We’re going to be ordering a few things from Whole Foods, with a “Leave on the doorstep” instruction. Please could you have someone bring it to our secure, unknown location when your guy goes today to get the mail?”
That was my guess: they were picking up stuff for the family. Who knows how many clothes they packed and are their children with them? They have to be getting antsy.
 
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I agree with everything except the last sentence. The rest of it reminds me of Missy Bevers case, with the exception that the perp left the body.
Is it just me or did masked guy at the door walk and move so calmly almost reluctantly. Or so calmly, more indifferent like a hit man. Like im clocking in, dont really feel like doing this vs today. Almost like a sort of non character lazy-ish hit man.
 
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The flowers are f'in weird. I've seen teen porch pirates who navigate a ring cam with more ease than this flower move. Why do a little "oh 🤬🤬🤬🤬" dance and look for something to cover it when you could JUST COVER IT WITH YOUR HAD.

Seriously - you can see a ring from the curb in my experience, roll around that corner and immediately cover it, WHY DILLYDALLY IN FRONT OF IT?!
Moo.,..but lantana leaves are sticky, he must have basic knowledge of plants. Obviously the leaves didn't stick. Maybe he works landscaping?
 
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Im surprised how many people are speculating it is SIL in these images. It’s safe to say that his own family would recognize him if that were the case.
 
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No, his MIL was telling the reporter that the FBI or someone had told her that her son-in-law's eyes looked like the guy they were after. MIL is not the one who ever said that, she said the photo of the suspect did not look like her SIL at all. She wanted to show a photo of her SIL to the reporter (because he was being interviewed by investigators at the moment and not doing camera interviews yet), but couldn't because the FBI had taken her phone. She also said the FBI had gotten a tip that Nancy was in her house. She was clearly upset and was like they can look anywhere, we don't have anything to hide.
That is so sad. This is why I hate the runaway speculation of the eyes and whatever people think they are seeing from a shadowed series of photos.

People are thinking they are seeing lipgloss, lashes, eyeliner, mustaches (especially on media outlets)….IMO I think FBi has the technology to take out shadows and people IMO shouldn’t be so deep into this that they start reporting people because they think they have the same eyes.

This is how people like this poor man get thrown into a case unwillingly IMO
 
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