Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Mistermagoo]

About that video 5 miles away, without going through the threads to see if its been talked about, I sure hope LE has tried to see what that guy was emptying into the trash compactor out of that other back pack.

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

No, it depends. I used to do adoption searches using genetic genealogy. It can be quite quick depending upon what kind of matches you get. Close matches means you could do it in a hour or so! If you cannot get close matches it may take longer. But you can narrow it down to certain locations, family surnames, and ethnic groups fairly quickly.

 

[subaw0067]

If looking for Nancy, they would be flying in the day.

Who knows why BP is searching the top of the mountains? It's within their range, which is 100 miles.

Maybe there is a history of stuff that goes on up there? Maybe there are stash house/mansions or something?? I have no idea...

Or it’s just an incidental part of their route, or terrain training. We don’t know that they are “searching”. As far as we know they’re just flying.

 

[nightowl2728]

I agree. And Ft. Huachuca is not far from where these army helicopters are being seen. I think it's just routine training.

These took off from public airparks, not Ft. Huachuca, but someone else said that the airparks are affiliated with the Arizona National Guard, which makes sense for training.

 

[PaulaDC]

They weren't going to risk her reporting them. Unfortunately, I don't believe she was alive for long after they got inside.

Someone upthread mentioned SG knowing lots of people in power. Hopefully, she'll get this nutty Sheriff taken off the force at some point. If it were my mother missing, I'd be angrier than a hornet's nest at this man's incredulity.

What is SG is the one who doesn't trust the fbi.....just a thought.

 

[RedHaus]

I toss my banana peel out the passenger side when I drive because the woods are on that side. Just saying.....

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It’s common knowledge that certain food scraps make good additions to your backyard compost bin, but those principles don't apply to the roadside.

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"Throwing food scraps out of your vehicle does more harm than good."

FYI.

 

[dkaras]

So if it was a robbery they should tell us if there are things missing, tell us to be on the lookout for something. It may help crack the case.

With all of that being said, the fact that not only are they not mentioning things that are missing, they are clearly stating that her phone, watch and personal belongings were left behind, which tells me that they went there to kidnap her and that is what they did, and that is why they are not treating the crime scene as a robbery.

RSBM.

Great point, there is that! I don't believe we've heard that anything was missing (right?).

To your next point.... if it was a targeted kidnapping, then I think "something went wrong", because as far as we know there has been no proof of life. Which IMO is key to receiving a ransom.

If the ransom notes (one, some or all) were valid, then the perpetrator(s) screwed up. Badly. Obviously this family would have paid. But have been unable to show proof of life If this is the case, I believe NG died in the initial invasion or shortly thereafter and they are just screwed. Along with the poor family.

 

[KonaHonu]

Yup, it does vary though. It depends on how close the matches are and how complex the family tree is.

In the Kohberger case it took less than a month.

I totally agree. My mother was adopted. I recently had my DNA done and a collaborator and I were able to identify my biological grandmother and her extended family back several generations in less than 2 hours. But after more than a month there is a half aunt we cannot place and an entire branch of the family that matches but we cannot find a connection.

Based on my personal experience with it, I think judges need to be far more restrictive on issuing warrants based on genetic genealogy. My partner has several close cousin matches that we know are impossible. I don't think DNA lies. But there are factors like pedigree collapse and endogamy that exist in many populations and the impact of these factors is far too complicated for a judge or jury to understand, yet far too easy for a prosecutor to misrepresent out of ignorance. They use DNA as a magic word for certainty when the reality is far from it!

The same factors make genetic genealogy high preducial against certain ethnic groups.

We've all been trained that DNA is so overwhelmingly reliable that a match can't be questioned. That's true in most situations but not when it comes to genealogy.

 

[SlimPickens]

Something that hasn't gone unnoticed by me with this whole case is that the FBI hasn't assumed jurisdiction. The only way they can do that here is if an abduction occurred and a component of the crime involved interstate commerce, or crossed state/national boundaries. So which of these two things is holding them up? For example, do they have strong evidence that NG was likely deceased prior to being removed from the home? Conversely, if they have compelling evidence that she was abducted and she was alive when removed from the home, then do they not already have evidence of interstate commerce via the ransom email(s) that almost certainly used proxy IPs that bounced through other states/countries?

So which component is restraining them? And which component is giving Pima county jurisdiction still?

These are important questions to ask, because the public has been given a ton of information alluding to an abduction and an as far untraceable (likely proxied/spoofed) ransom email, which implies federal jurisdiction, and yet Pima county still leads the investigation.

JMO.

 

[Friday Fan]

These are US Army helicopters - is Border Patrol part of the US Army? I don't believe so

Army helicopters are doing border surveilance in Texas.

If this ain't border surveilance, I don't know what it is? Got any suggestions?

If this was an actual military mission, they would take off from Laughlin AFB in Del Rio. There isn't a military installation in these neck of the woods.

Looks like an army helicopter just took off from Dimmit County Airport in Carrizo Springs and is heading toward Laredo again.

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[KonaHonu]

These are the dates LE has now asked residents to go back to and check their surveillance cameras. Strange there were searches of NG's address from there. This could be a stretch but Tucson does have a Somali population. Somalia is well known for kidnap for ransom in their area of the world, and piracy for ransom on the high seas. Maybe they are exporting
It's just such a coincidence LE is now looking back to January which includes those search dates.

That might be a valid hypothesis were the intruder we saw on video not obviously a tall white guy. Somalis are generally shorter and darker skinned.

 

[ab01]

I totall agree. My mother was adopted. I recently had my DNA done and a collaborator and I were able to identify my biological grandmother and her extended family back several generations in less than 2 hours. But after more than a month there is a half aunt we cannot place and an entire branch of the family that matches but we cannot find a connection.

Based on my personal experience with it, I think judges need to be far more restrictive on issuing warrants based on genetic genealogy. My partner has several close cousin matches that we know are impossible. I don't think DNA lies. But there are factors like pedigree collapse and endogamy that exist in many populations and the impact of these factors is far too complicated for a judge or jury to understand, yet far too easy for a prosecutor to misrepresent out of ignorance.

The same factors make genetic genealogy high preducial against certain ethnic groups.

We've all been trained that DNA is so overwhelmingly reliable that a match can't be questioned. That's true in most situations but not when it comes to genealogy.

The thing with genealogy is that its only used to narrow down a potential match.

Even in the Kohberger case they still retrieved a sample of his DNA to match with the known sample from the crime scene.

 

[Hans Olo]

Why? If this is a well regarded la

 

[subaw0067]

These are the dates LE has now asked residents to go back to and check their surveillance cameras. Strange there were searches of NG's address from there. This could be a stretch but Tucson does have a Somali population. Somalia is well known for kidnap for ransom in their area of the world, and piracy for ransom on the high seas. Maybe they are exporting
It's just such a coincidence LE is now looking back to January which includes those search dates.

I’m not understanding the Somali fixation, I’ve seen it several times on this thread. Am I missing something?

 

[dkaras]

SBM. This is one of the theories I've been operating under since LE started spending so much time in AG/TCs neighborhood. Searching, talking to neighbors, asking for video. I think they're trying to pinpoint the movement of cars that night. There's a reason they are so hyper focused on that street and the roads in between. There's also a reason they alerted AB so early. There's something wrong with the initial story. As for why you would move a body? You were the last one to see that person and the first one LE is going to come looking for. People kill their spouses at home all the time and remove their bodies and claim they've "gone missing". We've seen that a hundred times. IMO

Yes, I agree, they do seem to keep going back there, probably to verify the initial story (my assumption?). But I guess I just *have to believe* that this many days into the investigation, they have that verification. I wonder if they are looking for other activity to focus on, other cars in the neighborhood, someone targeting this daughter and/or SIL. Or, I suppose you could say, a frequent visitor to their house could indicate some level of "planning". Hmmm. Wouldn't they start with the most inner circle and branch out? I hope they're "branching out" now and have eliminated the "inner circle". Which should have been done IMO within about a day or less.

Your last part, people kill their spouses, remove, etc... Yes, because they are hiding evidence IMO of something that occurred in anger and heat-of-the-moment, not for inheritance or money purposes was my point. In this case though, we have a person on camera coming to the house hours after NG (allegedly) arrived home, when she was (allegedly) sleeping. So, my theory is based on that she was in fact at home at that time. So if it were the family member in question, whatever state NG was in at that time, they would have returned to the house at that time (of the video) to remove the body, if that was the situation.

Thank you!

 

[meade]

Dbm

 

[Shanz]

okay so, here where I am, the organized gang members wear all black head to toe with hoodies, they cruise around in stolen cars, but will also use bikes to surveil, I have seen them on little bikes checking out cars etc. Literally NO ONE who is a professional criminal dresses like this Bozo.

this guy is just bizzarro. you don't want to be seen on a dark landscape...you wear black.

mOO

Not to mention it looks like there’s reflective fabric on the backpack and jacket

 

[nightowl2728]

Army helicopters are doing border surveilance in Texas.

If this ain't border surveilance, I don't know what it is? Got any suggestions?

Looks like an army helicopter just took off from Carrizo Springs and is heading toward Laredo again.

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Sorry what is the relevance between Army operations in Texas and the Army helicopters I was pointing out around Tucson? You've mentioned that a few times and maybe I'm being thick, but I'm not following LOL.
To my knowledge, Customs & Border Protection has their own aircraft and would not be using US Army helicopters, generally speaking.
I agree most of the US Army helicopter flights in the US are for training. For the reasons I mentioned before in terms of flight path/circling, takeoff point, location, federal resources being involved, etc. I thought/hoped the ones I pointed out could be related to the NG search. I also said in each of my posts, I have no idea if that's the case

 

[rosesfromangels]

If they allowed those of us Experienced genetic genealogist’s to volunteer , after they uploaded the DNA we all could make backwards family trees and come up with 1-10 possible suspects to go get their thrown away cups, napkins etc. I do this for adoptees who want to know who their birth parents are and I have not had one I did not solve. It’s taken me anywhere from a couple days to a month or two with only ONE case talking me 10 months. But i eventually got it! I’ve offered to volunteer my services for cases such as these and for cold cases but no takers! Go figure! Btw we are a first responder family and know how private these searches need to be, yet no department has taken our offer!

They have to have tight clinical controls so that the results are admissible in court. They can’t achieve that with volunteers.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[HmmMysterious]

This could be a stretch but Tucson does have a Somali population. Somalia is well known for kidnap for ransom in their area of the world, and piracy for ransom on the high seas. Maybe they are exporting
It's just such a coincidence LE is now looking back to January which includes those search dates.

About as likely as aliens abducting Nancy imo