Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[submarine7]

Makes me furious that ANYONE (whether FBI, or PCSO, or former PCSO, or media capitalizing on conflict) is introducing this crap right now with an 84 year old woman’s life potentially on the line and her family in some kind of horrible suspense waiting for some answers and accountability.

Incredibly selfish and flawed perspective.

Right. Read the friggen room.

 

[dkaras]

Good points being made. So with all of that being said, if the ransom letters are indeed real and from the perps, money, or in this case bitcoin, is what they wanted. If, God forbid something happened and they were unable to show proof of life, they could have walked away but instead still tried to get the money.

Which brings me to one more thing. If the ransom letters are real, it puts the perp(s) in a different category. Everybody obviously has heard of bitcoin but very few people, imo, are aware of how to do transactions that would virtually make it untraceable. I understand that the nature of it is untraceable but I have NO IDEA how that works. To have the stones to demand that kind of money and have high confidence that you will receive it and not even the FBI will catch you (or so you think). I mean if a crime happened near me, I would not be able to name one person as a suspect that I personally know that would know how to do that.

And there is that too! Thank you! If it was about ransom from the beginning, and something went wrong, why would they send a ransom demand and draw attention to that instead of walk away. Unless they "needed" the money and figured they may as well give it a try? But 2, 3, 4 notes is overboard if unable to show proof of life. This line of thinking makes me think the ransom notes are a red herring, NOT sent by the perpetrators. I think these bitcoin ransom demands have been sent from foreign countries.

I don't know really anything about bitcoin either, except that it exists and some people use it to pay for nefarious things on the dark internet, and some other people bought it and sold it as an "investment" I guess like stock shares. ??

 

[Deepinthought52]

About that video 5 miles away, without going through the threads to see if its been talked about, I sure hope LE has tried to see what that guy was emptying into the trash compactor out of that other back pack.

Trash compactor? I missed where to see this. Thanks!

 

[steff13]

5’9”- 5’10” is above average male height in the United States. I figured the Somalia angle was just xenophobia and I really wanted to be wrong.

I believe 5'9" is bang on average height for a male in the US.

The Average Height for Men and What It Means for Men’s Health

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"The average height for men in the United States is 5 feet 9 inches."

 

[MassGuy]

"Most experts look at this video and say he's not a professional."

He is making a ton of mistakes in this video, (backpack with reflective striping. Outwardly wearing gun.

Doesn't think home was scouted, because he doesn't appear to know the camera is there. Didn't have tape or spray paint, picked up vegetation. He was pivoting quickly, and things obviously didn't go as planed.

Probably a good thing he destroyed the camera. There is a significant chance that Google was able to recover these videos because of the destruction process meant video wasn't recorded over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022177581605507097

 

[subaw0067]

I believe 5'9" is bang on average height for a male in the US.

The Average Height for Men and What It Means for Men’s Health

An expert explains why knowing the average height for men is important to your overall health and future.

health.clevelandclinic.org

"The average height for men in the United States is 5 feet 9 inches."

I stand corrected I thought it was 5’7”

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

They have to have tight clinical controls so that the results are admissible in court. They can’t achieve that with volunteers.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I’m not asking to handle the DNA. I’m saying that government agencies can upload the DNA into the genealogy sites , and those of us genealogy detective volunteers can make family trees for the matches at distant cousin levels and narrow it down through cM’s and % of DNA and other matches. It’s tedious but doable with volunteers from all over the world. The unknown DNA that needs to be figured out can even be given the name Jane Doe etc.

 

[MickeysVoice]

Yep. Put Othram on it! I was hoping they sent the DNA to them, but I don't think they're in Florida.

Othram is in The Woodlands, Tx

Google Search

 

[diggndeeperstill]

According to Nancy Grace, the feds are looking for a grey truck. Listen at 2:24 in.

 

[SlimPickens]

There is no reason for the FBI to "assume jurisdiction." They can assist, advise, and get the evidence they need for a potential federal case while leaving PCSO in charge. Federal charges can always be filed later if a federal nexus is identified (and I'm sure it will be since the ransom demand and communication means involve the US financial system and telecommunications wires.)

I wasn't using "assume jurisdiction" as in "usurp jurisdiction". My apologies if that wasn't clear. I understand the alleged discord and disarray right now, but I wasn't referring to that.

Jurisdiction isn't a discretionary matter. It is a legal one. And that means that if those two components exist, then jurisdiction must be assumed by the agency that enforces those particular statutes. If Pima county still holds jurisdiction, then that means that one (or both!) of those components hasn't met the legal standard for it to have been met. That's why I ended my post with the question "which one of these components hasn't been met?" and not with a statement that "The FBI should be leading this investigation".

It isn't who is leading that matters to me here. Rather, it is why is Pima still leading the investigation if the public has been inundated by information that insinuates a kidnapping for ransom has occurred (and via a fairly obvious interstate medium)?

So again I ask, which of those two components hasn't been met?

JMO.

 

[nightowl2728]

One of the army flights out of Tucson is doing border surveillance ATM

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That does appear to be the case! I saw this one, and the stripe-like pattern of the path also appears to coincide with training flight paths based on what I've seen. The helicopters before though weren't doing that, weren't near the border, and as I mentioned, CBP doesn't normally use US Army helicopters, to my knowledge. Maybe the one you're showing is an anomaly? I guess neither of us will ever know, sadly

 

[subaw0067]

I’m not asking to handle the DNA. I’m saying that government agencies can upload the DNA into the genealogy sites , and those of us genealogy detective volunteers can make family trees for the matches at distant cousin levels and narrow it down through cM’s and % of DNA and other matches. It’s tedious but doable with volunteers from all over the world. The unknown DNA that needs to be figured out can even be given the name Jane Doe etc.

I know what you’re asking. Several of us on Websleuths do/have done investigative genetic genealogy in a professional capacity.

 

[PaulaDC]

Maybe couldn’t corroborate it.

Or he’s scared of rocking the boat.

Or it's a trust issue.

 

[VegasGirl35]

I guess I keep thinking that I have a variety of single gloves in my basement. How does anyone know that this was the glove from the masked figure on the porch?

Nancy lived alone, so black work gloves large enough to fit men probably aren't laying around her house. The sight of one should've stood out to investigators.

 

[CatladyAttny]

I have done searches on the name GUTHRIE on X/Twitter and have been dismayed by what I've seen. In the so-called old days of Twitter you could search a name or word and then ask for results from verified accounts. Back then the verified accounts were mostly all news accounts. Unfortunately, everything comes up in a search and you can't drill down on actual news versus what I can only personify as hate posts. Usually I just exit the search because it's not worth the agita.

MOO/JMO

What have they been saying, for example? I can’t even imagine.

 

[SUNchips]

According to Nancy Grace, the feds are looking for a grey truck. Listen at 2:24 in.

Yeah the gray truck was mentioned this morning when talking with neighbors. So many dead ends though, I’m not getting my hopes up that this will lead to anything, unfortunately. Really not reassuring seeing that the Sheriff and Feds are fighting

Vehicles at center of Nancy Guthrie investigation probed as police canvas for truck, Ring footage

Investigators focus on vehicles, including a possible truck, in Nancy Guthrie missing person case as detectives continue canvassing Tucson neighborhoods.

www.foxnews.com

"Detectives have come twice and asked us for our names and who we are and so on and what kind of cars we drive, and if we have a truck," neighbor David Romano told NBC News correspondent Liz Kreutz for TODAY on Feb. 12."

"Neighbors also mentioned a possible gray truck in the area, though no make, model or license plate information has been provided."

 

[submarine7]

And there is that too! Thank you! If it was about ransom from the beginning, and something went wrong, why would they send a ransom demand and draw attention to that instead of walk away. Unless they "needed" the money and figured they may as well give it a try? But 2, 3, 4 notes is overboard if unable to show proof of life. This line of thinking makes me think the ransom notes are a red herring, NOT sent by the perpetrators. I think these bitcoin ransom demands have been sent from foreign countries.

I don't know really anything about bitcoin either, except that it exists and some people use it to pay for nefarious things on the dark internet, and some other people bought it and sold it as an "investment" I guess like stock shares. ??

The letters are proven to be written by the perps. Mostly, with few somewhat unlikely exceptions. I really cannot decide if their ransom attempts were purposefully impossible or they were just clueless on how it should work. Crazy as it is, there's always a price negotiation. However, there's also POL. Idk....this case is wild!

If not ransom and a financial motive, that leaves somebody wanting NG dead. But why? The entire crime feels very personal. It feels like an attack on somebody other than NG. But, it could be anybody or anything. People can stew on perceived wrongs, jealousy, and delights forever and then unexpectedly exact revenge.

 

[dkaras]

"Most experts look at this video and say he's not a professional."

He is making a ton of mistakes in this video, (backpack with reflective striping. Outwardly wearing gun.

Doesn't think home was scouted, because he doesn't appear to know the camera is there. Didn't have tape or spray paint, picked up vegetation. He was pivoting quickly, and things obviously didn't go as planed.

Probably a good thing he destroyed the camera. There is a significant chance that Google was able to recover these videos because of the destruction process meant video wasn't recorded over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022177581605507097

I'm curious to know what is considered a "professional". ? The perpetrator(s) still has not been caught.

Some mistakes, yes. But still, ski mask, gloves, backpack with (or without for that matter) reflective striping. I think it's safe to say that a lot of people in the US have these Ring, Nest, doorbell cameras, so that should be expected. Even without tape or spray paint. The person had a mask on, no need for tape or paint. We see videos of people stealing packages from porches all the time not wearing anything to protect their face. Even if he didn't know "for sure" there was a camera there, he expected one there just by his ski mask. I am confused by the use of the plant though. Maybe the camera wasn't the type he expected so he needed more time...?

I haven't looked at maps of the neighborhood. NG's house looked like it was off the main road, surrounded by vegetation, long walkway. Were other houses in the neighborhood like that too? Or was hers the only one?

 

[KonaHonu]

I'm pretty sure it's border patrol because they had the same flight path last night. (Don't know what they will find at the top of a mountain, but who knows? Maybe there are secret hideaways??? )

US Army helicopters are very obviously doing border surveillance in Texas. Their flightpaths are competely parallel to the border.

You may be right. But if they were doing training...the implications of violating Mexican airspace would be huge, technically an invasion and declaration of war on Mexico. So I would expect militar flights to parallel but not cross the border.

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

This is purely heresay that was taken from a BE video and article, but apparently the sheriff had a very public issue with the feds over a decade ago. I don't recall any further details but it was a case of feds working with SO and it got very ugly and very public. The former Undersheriff suggested that was part of his motive.

Ohhh makes sense! It’s a shame that these LE agencies can’t work for the greater good aka the people abs put their own egos, agendas away! I get it that the SO felt burned, but this day and age I’d think the Feds would have superior DNA testing facilities than an individual county or state. But maybe I’m way off base!