AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ilgirl]

Yup, it does vary though. It depends on how close the matches are and how complex the family tree is.

In the Kohberger case it took less than a month.

Yep. Put Othram on it! I was hoping they sent the DNA to them, but I don't think they're in Florida.

 

[submarine7]

Whyyyyy wouldn’t the local Sheriff not want the National Federal Lab to process this? This is nutts!

This is purely heresay that was taken from a BE video and article, but apparently the sheriff had a very public issue with the feds over a decade ago. I don't recall any further details but it was a case of feds working with SO and it got very ugly and very public. The former Undersheriff suggested that was part of his motive.

 

[RayVon]

Are you sure that wasn't for the other prominent Nancy Guthrie? I think she's a Christian author.

As much as Nanos is getting flack, this discovery doesn't look too good for the FBI either. To miss such an important piece of evidence speaks to incompetence across the board.

I guess I keep thinking that I have a variety of single gloves in my basement. How does anyone know that this was the glove from the masked figure on the porch?

 

[MesquiteO21]

According to Tuscon's former Undersheriff, the Sheriff is driven by ego. He claims the Sheriff has a long history of weird behavior and of not wanting to cooperate with other agencies.

My source was the same BE video.

Wow. Nancy didn’t deserve whatever happened to her and she doesn’t deserve a bungled investigation into it either…this is so sad

moo

 

[Bodhi]

I totall agree. My mother was adopted. I recently had my DNA done and a collaborator and I were able to identify my biological grandmother and her extended family back several generations in less than 2 hours. But after more than a month there is a half aunt we cannot place and an entire branch of the family that matches but we cannot find a connection.

Based on my personal experience with it, I think judges need to be far more restrictive on issuing warrants based on genetic genealogy. My partner has several close cousin matches that we know are impossible. I don't think DNA lies. But there are factors like pedigree collapse and endogamy that exist in many populations and the impact of these factors is far too complicated for a judge or jury to understand, yet far too easy for a prosecutor to misrepresent out of ignorance.

The same factors make genetic genealogy high preducial against certain ethnic groups.

We've all been trained that DNA is so overwhelmingly reliable that a match can't be questioned. That's true in most situations but not when it comes to genealogy.

I appreciate you sharing this. TIL.

 

[Diddian]

2 sides to every story. Sheriff's explanation makes sense. Use the same labs and the one they use in FLA has an excellent reputation. Just seems to be a lot of people badmouthing him - this FBI person who said Sheriff wasn't sharing key evidence, former 40 year employee, etc. Not sure what that's about but it's not necessarily about competence. JMO

Makes me furious that ANYONE (whether FBI, or PCSO, or former PCSO, or media capitalizing on conflict) is introducing this crap right now with an 84 year old woman’s life potentially on the line and her family in some kind of horrible suspense waiting for some answers and accountability.

Incredibly selfish and flawed perspective.

 

[subaw0067]

Okayyy, so VET ME! My husband is retired Detective from a large US City and served over 30 years! I am a DAR with a clean background for 60 years! Vet me baby!!!

This is an actual career field. You should inquire with your state bureau of investigation about their requirements.

 

[submarine7]

I guess I keep thinking that I have a variety of single gloves in my basement. How does anyone know that this was the glove from the masked figure on the porch?

They don't but it's worth testing.

 

[submarine7]

Makes me furious that ANYONE (whether FBI, or PCSO, or former PCSO, or media capitalizing on conflict) is introducing this crap right now with an 84 year old woman’s life potentially on the line and her family in some kind of horrible suspense waiting for some answers and accountability.

Incredibly selfish and flawed perspective.

Right. Read the friggen room.

 

[dkaras]

Good points being made. So with all of that being said, if the ransom letters are indeed real and from the perps, money, or in this case bitcoin, is what they wanted. If, God forbid something happened and they were unable to show proof of life, they could have walked away but instead still tried to get the money.

Which brings me to one more thing. If the ransom letters are real, it puts the perp(s) in a different category. Everybody obviously has heard of bitcoin but very few people, imo, are aware of how to do transactions that would virtually make it untraceable. I understand that the nature of it is untraceable but I have NO IDEA how that works. To have the stones to demand that kind of money and have high confidence that you will receive it and not even the FBI will catch you (or so you think). I mean if a crime happened near me, I would not be able to name one person as a suspect that I personally know that would know how to do that.

And there is that too! Thank you! If it was about ransom from the beginning, and something went wrong, why would they send a ransom demand and draw attention to that instead of walk away. Unless they "needed" the money and figured they may as well give it a try? But 2, 3, 4 notes is overboard if unable to show proof of life. This line of thinking makes me think the ransom notes are a red herring, NOT sent by the perpetrators. I think these bitcoin ransom demands have been sent from foreign countries.

I don't know really anything about bitcoin either, except that it exists and some people use it to pay for nefarious things on the dark internet, and some other people bought it and sold it as an "investment" I guess like stock shares. ??

 

[Deepinthought52]

About that video 5 miles away, without going through the threads to see if its been talked about, I sure hope LE has tried to see what that guy was emptying into the trash compactor out of that other back pack.

Trash compactor? I missed where to see this. Thanks!

 

[steff13]

5’9”- 5’10” is above average male height in the United States. I figured the Somalia angle was just xenophobia and I really wanted to be wrong.

I believe 5'9" is bang on average height for a male in the US.

The Average Height for Men and What It Means for Men’s Health

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"The average height for men in the United States is 5 feet 9 inches."

 

[MassGuy]

"Most experts look at this video and say he's not a professional."

He is making a ton of mistakes in this video, (backpack with reflective striping. Outwardly wearing gun.

Doesn't think home was scouted, because he doesn't appear to know the camera is there. Didn't have tape or spray paint, picked up vegetation. He was pivoting quickly, and things obviously didn't go as planed.

Probably a good thing he destroyed the camera. There is a significant chance that Google was able to recover these videos because of the destruction process meant video wasn't recorded over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022177581605507097

 

[subaw0067]

I believe 5'9" is bang on average height for a male in the US.

The Average Height for Men and What It Means for Men’s Health

An expert explains why knowing the average height for men is important to your overall health and future.

health.clevelandclinic.org

"The average height for men in the United States is 5 feet 9 inches."

I stand corrected I thought it was 5’7”

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

They have to have tight clinical controls so that the results are admissible in court. They can’t achieve that with volunteers.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I’m not asking to handle the DNA. I’m saying that government agencies can upload the DNA into the genealogy sites , and those of us genealogy detective volunteers can make family trees for the matches at distant cousin levels and narrow it down through cM’s and % of DNA and other matches. It’s tedious but doable with volunteers from all over the world. The unknown DNA that needs to be figured out can even be given the name Jane Doe etc.

 

[simlyme]

"Nancy Guthrie house" showed up only on one particular day in January Google searches. The searches came from Somalia. Most likely because the person was using a VPN, but possibly there is a connection.

link please

 

[MickeysVoice]

Yep. Put Othram on it! I was hoping they sent the DNA to them, but I don't think they're in Florida.

Othram is in The Woodlands, Tx

Google Search

 

[diggndeeperstill]

According to Nancy Grace, the feds are looking for a grey truck. Listen at 2:24 in.

 

[SlimPickens]

There is no reason for the FBI to "assume jurisdiction." They can assist, advise, and get the evidence they need for a potential federal case while leaving PCSO in charge. Federal charges can always be filed later if a federal nexus is identified (and I'm sure it will be since the ransom demand and communication means involve the US financial system and telecommunications wires.)

I wasn't using "assume jurisdiction" as in "usurp jurisdiction". My apologies if that wasn't clear. I understand the alleged discord and disarray right now, but I wasn't referring to that.

Jurisdiction isn't a discretionary matter. It is a legal one. And that means that if those two components exist, then jurisdiction must be assumed by the agency that enforces those particular statutes. If Pima county still holds jurisdiction, then that means that one (or both!) of those components hasn't met the legal standard for it to have been met. That's why I ended my post with the question "which one of these components hasn't been met?" and not with a statement that "The FBI should be leading this investigation".

It isn't who is leading that matters to me here. Rather, it is why is Pima still leading the investigation if the public has been inundated by information that insinuates a kidnapping for ransom has occurred (and via a fairly obvious interstate medium)?

So again I ask, which of those two components hasn't been met?

JMO.

 

[nightowl2728]

One of the army flights out of Tucson is doing border surveillance ATM

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That does appear to be the case! I saw this one, and the stripe-like pattern of the path also appears to coincide with training flight paths based on what I've seen. The helicopters before though weren't doing that, weren't near the border, and as I mentioned, CBP doesn't normally use US Army helicopters, to my knowledge. Maybe the one you're showing is an anomaly? I guess neither of us will ever know, sadly