AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[subaw0067]

I’m not asking to handle the DNA. I’m saying that government agencies can upload the DNA into the genealogy sites , and those of us genealogy detective volunteers can make family trees for the matches at distant cousin levels and narrow it down through cM’s and % of DNA and other matches. It’s tedious but doable with volunteers from all over the world. The unknown DNA that needs to be figured out can even be given the name Jane Doe etc.

I know what you’re asking. Several of us on Websleuths do/have done investigative genetic genealogy in a professional capacity.

 

[PaulaDC]

Maybe couldn’t corroborate it.

Or he’s scared of rocking the boat.

Or it's a trust issue.

 

[VegasGirl35]

I guess I keep thinking that I have a variety of single gloves in my basement. How does anyone know that this was the glove from the masked figure on the porch?

Nancy lived alone, so black work gloves large enough to fit men probably aren't laying around her house. The sight of one should've stood out to investigators.

 

[CatladyAttny]

I have done searches on the name GUTHRIE on X/Twitter and have been dismayed by what I've seen. In the so-called old days of Twitter you could search a name or word and then ask for results from verified accounts. Back then the verified accounts were mostly all news accounts. Unfortunately, everything comes up in a search and you can't drill down on actual news versus what I can only personify as hate posts. Usually I just exit the search because it's not worth the agita.

MOO/JMO

What have they been saying, for example? I can’t even imagine.

 

[SUNchips]

According to Nancy Grace, the feds are looking for a grey truck. Listen at 2:24 in.

Yeah the gray truck was mentioned this morning when talking with neighbors. So many dead ends though, I’m not getting my hopes up that this will lead to anything, unfortunately. Really not reassuring seeing that the Sheriff and Feds are fighting

Vehicles at center of Nancy Guthrie investigation probed as police canvas for truck, Ring footage

Investigators focus on vehicles, including a possible truck, in Nancy Guthrie missing person case as detectives continue canvassing Tucson neighborhoods.

www.foxnews.com

"Detectives have come twice and asked us for our names and who we are and so on and what kind of cars we drive, and if we have a truck," neighbor David Romano told NBC News correspondent Liz Kreutz for TODAY on Feb. 12."

"Neighbors also mentioned a possible gray truck in the area, though no make, model or license plate information has been provided."

 

[submarine7]

And there is that too! Thank you! If it was about ransom from the beginning, and something went wrong, why would they send a ransom demand and draw attention to that instead of walk away. Unless they "needed" the money and figured they may as well give it a try? But 2, 3, 4 notes is overboard if unable to show proof of life. This line of thinking makes me think the ransom notes are a red herring, NOT sent by the perpetrators. I think these bitcoin ransom demands have been sent from foreign countries.

I don't know really anything about bitcoin either, except that it exists and some people use it to pay for nefarious things on the dark internet, and some other people bought it and sold it as an "investment" I guess like stock shares. ??

The letters are proven to be written by the perps. Mostly, with few somewhat unlikely exceptions. I really cannot decide if their ransom attempts were purposefully impossible or they were just clueless on how it should work. Crazy as it is, there's always a price negotiation. However, there's also POL. Idk....this case is wild!

If not ransom and a financial motive, that leaves somebody wanting NG dead. But why? The entire crime feels very personal. It feels like an attack on somebody other than NG. But, it could be anybody or anything. People can stew on perceived wrongs, jealousy, and delights forever and then unexpectedly exact revenge.

 

[dkaras]

"Most experts look at this video and say he's not a professional."

He is making a ton of mistakes in this video, (backpack with reflective striping. Outwardly wearing gun.

Doesn't think home was scouted, because he doesn't appear to know the camera is there. Didn't have tape or spray paint, picked up vegetation. He was pivoting quickly, and things obviously didn't go as planed.

Probably a good thing he destroyed the camera. There is a significant chance that Google was able to recover these videos because of the destruction process meant video wasn't recorded over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022177581605507097

I'm curious to know what is considered a "professional". ? The perpetrator(s) still has not been caught.

Some mistakes, yes. But still, ski mask, gloves, backpack with (or without for that matter) reflective striping. I think it's safe to say that a lot of people in the US have these Ring, Nest, doorbell cameras, so that should be expected. Even without tape or spray paint. The person had a mask on, no need for tape or paint. We see videos of people stealing packages from porches all the time not wearing anything to protect their face. Even if he didn't know "for sure" there was a camera there, he expected one there just by his ski mask. I am confused by the use of the plant though. Maybe the camera wasn't the type he expected so he needed more time...?

I haven't looked at maps of the neighborhood. NG's house looked like it was off the main road, surrounded by vegetation, long walkway. Were other houses in the neighborhood like that too? Or was hers the only one?

 

[KonaHonu]

I'm pretty sure it's border patrol because they had the same flight path last night. (Don't know what they will find at the top of a mountain, but who knows? Maybe there are secret hideaways??? )

US Army helicopters are very obviously doing border surveillance in Texas. Their flightpaths are competely parallel to the border.

You may be right. But if they were doing training...the implications of violating Mexican airspace would be huge, technically an invasion and declaration of war on Mexico. So I would expect militar flights to parallel but not cross the border.

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

This is purely heresay that was taken from a BE video and article, but apparently the sheriff had a very public issue with the feds over a decade ago. I don't recall any further details but it was a case of feds working with SO and it got very ugly and very public. The former Undersheriff suggested that was part of his motive.

Ohhh makes sense! It’s a shame that these LE agencies can’t work for the greater good aka the people abs put their own egos, agendas away! I get it that the SO felt burned, but this day and age I’d think the Feds would have superior DNA testing facilities than an individual county or state. But maybe I’m way off base!

 

[Mistermagoo]

Trash compactor? I missed where to see this. Thanks!

You need to find a video that has the audio that goes with it. Can't remember where I seen it, but it is very loud and where people thought that he was trying to attempt throwing the backpack over the fence was actually him lifting the backpack up over what appears to sound like a trash compacter and he is shoveling things out of the backpack into it. At least that is what I got out of it. Maybe someone on here can pull up that video along with the audio.

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

I know what you’re asking. Several of us on Websleuths do/have done investigative genetic genealogy in a

 

[O.Incandenza]

Yes and I also think it is interesting that the reporter didn't ask Pima County for an explanation. The FBI has more resources and more sources in the media so they will always win the PR game.

Regardless of the validity of the complaints, I can't imagine what seems like a concerted media campaign (multiple reports from different outlets) from the FBI against the Sheriff is going to improve the situation.

Everyone needs to suck it up and work with each other if they're going to solve this.

 

[SlimPickens]

I don't think it has been disclosed whether the perpetrator removed the doorbell camera. If it hasn't been disclosed, then all we know for sure is that he was fidgeting with it.

JMO.

 

[Bluewing3102]

One of the army flights out of Tucson is doing border surveillance ATM.

(Sorry about the annoying ad. FlightRadar insisted I remove my ad blocker)

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UH-72 Lakotas are owned by the National Guard for the sole purpose of supporting a state mission. For Arizona it's most likely counter-drug and border surveillance. These are routine flights for them.

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[MassGuy]

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I'm curious to know what is considered a "professional". ? The perpetrator(s) still has not been caught.

Some mistakes, yes. But still, ski mask, gloves, backpack with (or without for that matter) reflective striping. I think it's safe to say that a lot of people in the US have these Ring, Nest, doorbell cameras, so that should be expected. Even without tape or spray paint. The person had a mask on, no need for tape or paint. We see videos of people stealing packages from porches all the time not wearing anything to protect their face. Even if he didn't know "for sure" there was a camera there, he expected one there just by his ski mask. I am confused by the use of the plant though. Maybe the camera wasn't the type he expected so he needed more time...?

I haven't looked at maps of the neighborhood. NG's house looked like it was off the main road, surrounded by vegetation, long walkway. Were other houses in the neighborhood like that too? Or was hers the only one?

Professional means "experienced," but I don't see that here. If you've done your homework, you have a plan for that camera immediately. This guy didn't.

Not getting caught doesn't mean you committed a clean crime. A stranger in a mask doesn't have to be perfect to get away for a while, and even the sloppiest offender can do the same.

All the houses are like that, and many face at an angle to the road. Precisely why we don't have a vehicle identification.

 

[Deepinthought52]

You need to find a video that has the audio that goes with it. Can't remember where I seen it, but it is very loud and where people thought that he was trying to attempt throwing the backpack over the fence was actually him lifting the backpack up over what appears to sound like a trash compacter and he is shoveling things out of the backpack into it. At least that is what I got out of it. Maybe someone on here can pull up that video along with the audio.

Oooooh i see thanks… I thought there was another video that I had missed. I’ll try to find one again that doesn’t have a new person talking over it. Thx!

 

[Assassino]

I'm never going to abandon hope for Nancy, but at just about two weeks now, I'm extremely concerned. It just does not make any logical sense to me why a kidnapper if they were motivated by money would be so blasé about communicating or getting a ransom. There's no sense of urgency from the kidnapper(s) at all. And that isn't good. Kidnappers who are motivated by money want to get the whole ordeal over with as quickly as possible. They don't want to have to look after a captive and they want money. Whoever is involved with this has shown no urgency to bring this to a resolution.

And if they weren't motivated by money, well... then that's even more concerning.

 

[PaulaDC]

In 2020! That was almost six years ago!!!

Remember, were living in the past again.

 

[TheDinks]

That does appear to be the case! I saw this one, and the stripe-like pattern of the path also appears to coincide with training flight paths based on what I've seen. The helicopters before though weren't doing that, weren't near the border, and as I mentioned, CBP doesn't normally use US Army helicopters, to my knowledge. Maybe the one you're showing is an anomaly? I guess neither of us will ever know, sadly

TBH the Texas activity is irrelevant... Tucson activity could be

 

[simlyme]

What have they been saying, for example? I can’t even imagine.

I started this, and what I've read over and over, is she deserves all of this. That's all I'll say, anyone can have an X account and get the gist about any topic and figure things out after they've read there for a short time.