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door numero uno for me, Monty
I agree, because even if there's no immediate gain, it's possible that a newly revised will or trust was destroyed, or even anger about being denied money. Perhaps an initial attempt to make an incident appear to be a natural illness or death went wrong. There might have been long simmering anger that we aren't aware of. Much of what happened appears very carefully premeditated. It's baffling though, and other scenarios are possible.
 
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If the person of interest is not within the family, I'm inclined to believe our suspect is in the 40-59 age range and single.

1. The median age of those who watch NBC news is 57, and older Americans are far more likely than younger Americans to get news on television. Older people are generally more familiar with Savannah Guthrie. Younger people primarily get our news online. (could suspect have seen the episode with Nancy four months ago?) Some sort of superfan?

2. If Nancy is truly being held hostage, you need a place to hold her. So I suspect this person has a place of their own and lives alone, to be able to hold someone for so long without someone suspecting him/her.

I also believe that if the suspect worked on house or roof (like people are saying) he/she would know about the camera on the roof. I also think the SIL would know about the camera on roof. So I'm starting to think the suspect surveilled the house a few times from the street, visiting inconspicuously, and I think from the street you wouldn't be able to see the camera on roof.

If the suspect IS in the family, then waiting in garage with Nancy's body in car, makes more sense for them to go out the front door at 1:47am turning the camera offline, vs. triggering the camera on the roof. Possibly carried body out, that easily cut on doorframe, into other car.
 
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Spitballing:

It's tax season.
Financial institutions including banks, brokerage firms, charitable organizations, etc., are sending out end-of-year statements detailing interest income, capital gains, etc.

Many people, seniors included, get help with managing their finances, and some even turn the keys over to trusted individuals...even when people don't volitionally give people access to their financials, sometimes people gain access to credit card numbers, SSNs, etc., and withdraw, i.e., steal, money without the account owner's knowledge or consent.

Financial exploitation of the elderly is a real thing. The consequences of financial crimes are also real.
People will sometimes commit unthinkable acts in order to avoid the prospect of serious consequences.

I hope LE is doing their due diligence to look at NG's finances and ticking off the boxes to ensure she hasn't been victimized financially as well as whatever else has happened to her.

JMO.
 
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Wait. First people were saying the 2 minutes between garage door opening was too long to just get Nancy in the house, and now it wasn’t long enough? I give up.
way too much being made about the garage door opening imo.

I believe the only reason it was shared was to prove that they know she made it home from AG house.

When this is solved i’ll be surprised if it has much if any significance at all.
 
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Do we have any proof that a note was NOT left at the home night of abduction?
To me the proof is that it went to TMZ, assuming since they are the ones that broke that story I dont think L/e would send it to them .
 
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I have a speculative answer not based on any fact whatsoever. My husband's parents once loaned their car to my neice (their granddaughter) for a couple weeks. Then they took an Uber to my SILs house to go pick up the car and drive it back home later that night.
Maybe the perp was hiding in her car, in the garage from an earlier time?
 
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You are right. KOLD got it at 5PM on Monday. Media didn't report it until the 4th. "The first ransom note in the case of missing Nancy Guthrie was received by the Tucson television station KOLD News 13 at approximately 5:00 p.m. on Monday, February 2, 2026. "
So is it possible that because it was sent after the news of NG going missing but the headlines (24 hours later?) that the ransom request is a hoax? Surely if it was a genuine kidnap ransom the request/email would have been more or less immediate?
 
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My inquiring mind wants to know, if the kidnappers can send a note to the local news station, why can't they also send a generic photo of NG to show proof of life? What would be so hard about that?? I mean, they can print it off and send it along with however they are sending the note or email.

JMO.
If there truly is a kidnapper, I can think of only two reasons they might refuse to provide proof of life. Either NG is no longer alive, or she is being held in a location the kidnapper no longer has immediate access to, such as a climate-controlled storage unit. In that scenario, the kidnapper may already be out of the area and planning to reveal NG’s location only after receiving the Bitcoin.
 
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DBM
 
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I am not very informed in bitcoin either, can they identify a wallet and if there was an activity on it and from where? Maybe they are looking at the cameras outside of that gas station, looks like the atm is not inside the gas but 120 ft away? Based on this map below. The highlight on the chevron camera looks like they were looking outside
That map is of Chevron though, not circle K
 
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And... (speculating that NG's car might have been captured outside of NG's property) if NG drove her car home, opening her garage at 9:48 pm to drive her car in, why did she uber to dinner? Why was her car not available at 5 pm? And if NG drove her car, why did the police say family dropped her off?

The unanswered question -- was NG's car driven at any point that day/night? It's a fair question because LE seized it.

JMO
If there was front-end damage to the car, IMO it’s possible that Nancy had had a fender-bender and was spooked about driving. And of course, I don’t see anything weird about SIL driving her home at night. Many older people don’t drive at night. MOO
 
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Oh gosh, they even taught us about watching out for white vans without windows in the 80’s… to this day i’m still weary!
I am too. If I see a windowless white van in a parking lot, you can bet I'm not parking anywhere near it.
 
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I have a speculative answer not based on any fact whatsoever. My husband's parents once loaned their car to my neice (their granddaughter) for a couple weeks. Then they took an Uber to my SILs house to go pick up the car and drive it back home later that night.
I wouldn't think LE would have said family brought her home, though, if NG actually drove her car home. Unless someone is not being truthful. Perhaps she drove home herself and the family followed her, making she made it in the garage?
 
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I'm curious about any thoughts about the timing of this crime? Feb 1st feels very intentional.

I've done some looking into Feb 1st such as the obvious holidays, but can't seem to find anything of importance. The date being the 1st of Feb may have nothing to do with anything, but it's been bothering me.
Full moon … moonlight
 
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The thing is, if you have something to gain from her passing, then you have nothing to gain from the lack of a body. If she is officially registered as a missing person then you'd need a legal process to get her declared as having passed. I agree that it could be number 1 if the motive is revenge/rage as a result of a financial disagreement.
That is a very good point.
 
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Wait. First people were saying the 2 minutes between garage door opening and closing was too long to just get Nancy in the house, and now it wasn’t long enough? I give up.

Has anyone seen any recent video of NG walking, so we would know her degree of low mobility? Maybe that can help us decide if 2-ish minutes is reasonable.
 
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DBm confirming the convenience store. L/e was at or if only the circle K was reported.
 
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For now.. rbbm. snippets.
''Speaking to the Daily Mail, Dr Bryanna Fox, a former FBI special agent in the agency's Behavioral Science Unit and criminology professor at the University of South Florida, stated that Guthrie most likely doesn't know her kidnapper.

"If it were a family member or somebody who knows the house, they wouldn't have forced entry,"
Dr Fox explained. "If she knew them, they would have been likely to have carried out a ruse to get her to go with them and get into the vehicle."
They could have staged the scene and faked a forced entry at some point, to throw people off. Not doing so would make it obvious it was a friend or family member, imo.
 
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