• #11,701
I'm still on my theory. Nancy had dinner with Annie and her husband. SIL took her home. Asked for money. She said no. He went home. Upset and it just festered with him WHY she won't give money to them. He went by himself in middle of night. Coerced her out of bed with story about family emergency. He left back door wide open so it would like she wandered off. Small scuffle at front door as she kept insisting she needed to put on real clothes and he got impatient with her and she got hurt, therefor small blood, but not a lot. He got her in his car. She was easy to overpower then and bag over her head. A lot less messy. Took her to dessert and put her under a tree or bush like she "stumbled" there. He wants her to be found, but not too quickly. Enough that her body is exposed to elements. His whole theory was she just wandered away confused in the middle of night. Would be out of the norm for her, but as she is 84, people will think that something just happened to her. Her body would be found. Assume that she died of exposure or health deteriorated. Inheritance. What he didn't count on was the media and the unsubstantiated reports of ransom that he had nothing to do with. Media quickly said she couldn't walk far, and jumped on the sensational story of kidnapping, then other people faked ransom notes. Her blood could be in passenger seat. Luminol last night.
Horrifying theory (to contemplate), but certainly Occam’s Razor-like.

OMO
 
  • #11,702
Also possible she had multiple canes. I do. I can walk short distances without one on my good days so there are times I forget and get in my car without one and then struggle where ever I have gone - so I got one to leave in my car. I have been known to walk out to my gazebo without one and then can’t get back without one so I have another out there. I keep one in my office for the same reason and then I have the one I use most of the time. I also have a walker and a wheelchair that I use on my worst days. And while my family knows I have more than one cane - they don’t really know how many or where I keep them so they wouldn’t necessarily know if one was missing from my home.
I hadn't thought about it like that, @aafromaa ~ That's a great point and thanks so much for sharing it! ☺️
 
  • #11,703
If Annie and husband were not suspects LE would not be obtaining warrants to search their home. It is my belief they are both involved but hope for the family's sake that it is not the case.
I'm also curious... If LE told AG/SIL that they wanted to do an extended search (my words) of their home and if AG/SIL would have agreed then would a warrant still be needed? Or is a warrant needed not just for permission to be there searching but also to collect and remove evidence? Ps my understanding is that we don't know for sure that a warrant was in place last night. MOO
 
  • #11,704
Can anyone explain why the sheriffs department would be there, but not the FBI?
Maybe a separate crime occurred? I don’t know how this works but where NG lives, it’s county. Where AG lives, it’s city. I don’t know if Tucson Police Department would be there as well because it’s their jurisdiction or are the letting PCSO take over? Again, I don’t know how it works with 3 agencies involved.
 
  • #11,705
My problem with AG is that she does not fit the profile. I know nothing about TC, but AG is understood to be involved in the local poetry, writing, and jewellery scene? We really think this is the profile of someone involved in kidnap, murder, and bitcoin ransom?
If AG and TC are involved I think the bitcoin kidnap ransom thing is seperate from them. A fake story and hoax by an anonymous hacker person who took advantage of the situation when it hit the media. Two seperate crimes.
 
  • #11,706
My thoughts on opening the garage door... if someone is dropping me off at home, I would walk in through my front door. If I'm not parking a vehicle in the garage its not likely I'm opening that door. Do people really do this? Maybe it just makes more sense with the layout of her house. Was it opened because someone knew there would be a record of it being opened?

MOO
If the garage is a 2 car but NG just has 1 car parked to where a second car could pull in beside her car for her to exit the car and place her closer to her interior door on a smooth concrete floor with adequate lighting...makes sense to me
 
  • #11,707
My problem with AG is that she does not fit the profile. I know nothing about TC, but AG is understood to be involved in the local poetry, writing, and jewellery scene? We really think this is the profile of someone involved in kidnap, murder, and bitcoin ransom?
I don't; I see a woman that is lost.

AG's the oldest sibling, living in AZ and in constant contact with mom ~ a normal family life ~ and mom disappears. No one can make any sense of it, how could they?

She's leaning on her younger siblings for strength and reassurance; and in the ‘x’ videos she is in emotional pain.
 
  • #11,708
My problem with AG is that she does not fit the profile. I know nothing about TC, but AG is understood to be involved in the local poetry, writing, and jewellery scene? We really think this is the profile of someone involved in kidnap, murder, and bitcoin ransom?
no clearly she does not fit the profile but maybe her husband or associates do?
 
  • #11,709
I’ll be blunt this morning. In my opinion, NG demise originated from AG’s home. The what and the how, I don’t know. Investigators returning to her home again last night documenting, mapping, and collecting evidence was the final event that moved me in that direction. IMO

If this is the case, and it heartbreakingly might be, there are still things that I don't understand.

For instance, like her blood by her front door.

I suppose that it could be that it was left while she was being transferred while she was wrapped in something but why would they take her back to her house if she died at AG's house?

And why would they be transferring her through her front door instead of the garage which is more easily accessible and more discreet?

Why did the FBI let Sheriff Nanos make insinuations to the public like suggesting it could be the family waving her off when the garage door opened and shut just before 10 p.m. Saturday evening?

Also why would the FBI even bother with digital billboards in different states?

Why haven't they found the writer of those two notes?
 
  • #11,710
Regarding the blood and doorbell…for those more knowledgeable about this-is there a reason why there were not evidence markers used or marking the spots? And why there did not appear to be fingerprint dust around the doorbell at NGs home?
 
  • #11,711
Not sure the validity of this but I've heard it mentioned that if they are investigating a kidnapping - FBI is the lead. If they are investigating a homicide - Police/Sheriff's Dept. is the lead.

In actuality - The local law inforcement is leading the investigation with the FBI offering any resources and assistance local LE needs.
That is a good point. I remember in the Jonbenet case the police supposedly contacted the fbi when they thought it was a kidnapping but when they realized later in the day it was a murder the FBI didn't have any involvement.
 
  • #11,712
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He's trained military. I think he has experience keeping emotions in check. He was a fighter pilot over NYC after 9/11, for example. I'd like to hear his story after this resolves, but I'm thinking we never will.

jmo
Only my opinion from life experience, ......

Completely agreeing w/ you again IntheDetails,
Well put.

And from afar, (since I do not know this man at all)
I can safely say that I have a lot of respect for the brother.

As a previous poster said it much better than me, (paraphrasing)

He immediately traveled from Vermont to help his family out.
One would wonder how Camron is able to NOT show his barely concealed fury at this point.
But here we are. And here he is.

He is making a very powerful statement.

(JMO.)
 
  • #11,713
If AG and TC are involved I think the bitcoin kidnap ransom thing is seperate from them. A fake story and hoax by an anonymous hacker person who took advantage of the situation when it hit the media. Two seperate crimes.
I wonder if that means the arrest of SIL / AG is rather imminent. Given SG has committed to pay the ransom, LE need to swoop in quickly to stop that happening. If the deadline is tomorrow, perhaps the arrest will be today / tomorrow.
 
  • #11,714
I got to thinking as I watch the video of the three siblings and what must be going on. I don't know how much is shared with family by LE on working theories? Could LE be telling SG about theory of TC involvement but keeping it quiet as they close in on him or his associates? Just because they sit there holding hands making these videos does not mean something is not going on the rest of the time. I doubt. they are. all staying together at this point. AG home is. being treated as a crime scene. Read into that what you will. I sure hope family not involved but now thinking they might have been.
I just don't see why they'd be making these videos if LE has told them TC is a suspect. I think it is possible they've told them but SG is in total denial.
 
  • #11,715
She is an ultra net worth individual, therefore she gets special services from her banks. She can take a loan against her other assets. Banks will work around the clock for her. They could have this money liquid in 20 minutes. This part (getting cash to convert to bitcoin) is probably the easiest part of the whole thing for her. It's not like a middle class person who would have to wait for the bank to open, put up collateral and spend days filling out paperwork for a loan. Her business manager or wealth manager can do this in an instant.
Right you are. I can't find a good source link to post here, but one of the very first news reports I heard about this case, SG's annual salary was mentioned. I've found articles that corroborate the amount I remember hearing (but it's only the Hindu Times and orgs like that, so I won't link), but let's just say that she makes more in one year than the kidnappers are asking for in randsom. So, yeah. Getting this money ASAP is easy.
 
  • #11,716
The family’s failure to find blood at the front door a week ago speaks (somewhat) to their innocence and the guilt of a person less familiar with the family My assumption is the front door is never used by Nancy, so the family had no reason to dream that she had exited by the front door. That said, a stranger locking the front door(s) behind himself seems unlikely as well. Hard to figure out this one. So little makes sense.
 
  • #11,717
I just don't see why they'd be making these videos if LE has told them TC is a suspect. I think it is possible they've told them but SG is in total denial.
I find that would be cruel and unusual punishment to do this to the siblings.
 
  • #11,718
But wait - IF and I mean a big IF... AG and hubby are involved or even one of them, there's no way they could hide or explain that ransom money even if they got it! What in the world would or could they do with it? They definitely couldn't spend it!

To invest overseas or find a broker to 'bury the money' would be tough.

So if they are involved it would be an after thought to spin a kidnapping/ransom plot to divert suspicion.

I'm not sure it's them, but maybe someone close to them? Argh I go all over the place here!
I have thought from the beginning that the ransom demands are a separate crime being perpetrated by some opportunistic scumbags who saw a potentially "easy" money grab. The timing of that initial ransom demand just hasn't made sense from jump.
 
  • #11,719
I wonder if that means the arrest of SIL / AG is rather imminent. Given SG has committed to pay the ransom, LE need to swoop in quickly to stop that happening. If the deadline is tomorrow, perhaps the arrest will be today / tomorrow.
Doubt they’d arrest just to stop payment. Not without sufficient evidence. Maybe a conversation to SG to hold off on paying any money while another lead is being pursued. Then again..how much evidence did they collect last night, if any?
 
  • #11,720
I don't; I see a woman that is lost.

AG's the oldest sibling, living in AZ and in constant contact with mom ~ a normal family life ~ and mom disappears. No one can make any sense of it, how could they?

She's leaning on her younger siblings for strength and reassurance; and in the ‘x’ videos she is in emotional pain.
I think Cameron is the oldest, then Annie, then Savannah

 
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