Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[crcap]

I remember being similarly frustrated (and admonished!) in the Idaho 4 case, and then BAM! an arrest. Lots of folks (like me!) went from "clearly LE botched all of this!" to "Dang these folks are good!". Needless to say, I try to give LE (and myself) a lot more grace nowadays.

The difference is the Idaho 4 were already murdered. This was/is a kidnapping case and much more urgent.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I remember being similarly frustrated (and admonished!) in the Idaho 4 case, and then BAM! an arrest. Lots of folks (like me!) went from "clearly LE botched all of this!" to "Dang these folks are good!". Needless to say, I try to give LE (and myself) a lot more grace nowadays.

I don’t think I expressed myself very well concerning LE. Thanks for pointing it out.
I have no doubt LE was working hard the last week, but I think they were being pulled in too many directions, and could not focus on things because of the kidnapping think.

 

[SaraSmile]

Just a thought, but sometimes things that sparkle like glass, diamonds etc, might show up better in the dark when a sudden light source hits, speculation, imo.

I’m in a dark sky area of CA, and if there is a LE investigation, rescue of a stranded hiker with helicopter, I see bright lights used at night.
Even if someone has a party at night, It’s ok to use bright lights outside at night. I think the cut off is 10 pm, they go later sometimes
So JMO, surely if there is an emergency, Lights would be allowed.
All JMO

 

[Cipher Vale]

Very possible some might. When you interview a friend circle or distant family members you get a lot of hearsay, but information that might peak your interest.

Say they interviewed a few friends and they reluctantly disclosed that AG hated her mothers guts or has been arguing lately, and her husband is very controlling and she'd do anything he said. Well, there's no smoking gun there but it would certainly give you an inclination on how to proceed.

But people are reluctant to disclose such things, and sometimes they divulge when pushed but qualify it with "but I don't think she'd ever hurt her...." etc. Some people are more guarded and don't have a huge friend/family circle -- it is something we haven't really heard much of and as an investigator I'd really want to know.

I would imagine they did personal interviews, maybe even some financial forensics, phone records of the family members, but again you have to tread lightly in this victim/potential suspect balance.

Yes this makes sense. I was looking at this from public statement point of view. No one is posting on social media that they know AG would never hurt anyone. No media outlet has had some neighbor on saying they always saw NG, AG, and SIL having a great time together.

This is one of the most media covered cases I've seen in a while and yet zero interviews by the media. Nancy Grace would have had half the world on by now making character statements. I haven't even seen a viral Facebook screenshot yet of anyone giving their opinion who knows them or even lives near them.

 

[J-Kat]

I’m leaning to the theory that the kidnap for ransom is bogus. Some individual who is a rather sophisticated cyber expert saw an opportunity to get some money but now can’t produce “proof”of having Nancy (alive or dead) and the effort has stalled. How did this start? Nancy answered the doorbell in the early hours and either personally knew the person and felt comfortable allowing them to enter or it was a person that presented as a law enforcement official who had a plausible story that led Nancy to let them inside (report of break-in and we need to clear the house; delivering a message concerning family emergency, etc.). Once inside they immobilized Nancy in some way (tied up, knocked her out, etc.) and spent some time inside searching for valuables - jewelry, cash, etc. Has it ever been reported that any items were missing from the home? Perhaps Nancy had a medical emergency during this time and died. Seems the perp/s would have just left her there and made their escape if this was the case. Or, they perhaps thought they could not leave her there alive if they believed she could identify them and forced her to go with them, murdered her and dumped the body somewhere in the desert. The perp, I would guess, is either a family member, a friend of a family member, an employee who came to the home on a regular basis or a friend of same, a maintenance worker who had done work at the house recently or friend of a worker. Perhaps the employed workers just talked too much about valuable things in the house, Nancy’s wealth, etc and the people listening just took that info and ran with it.

 

[BrittMontero]

I was watching a live stream outside the home last night until it got dark. It is a channel not approved here but I find it interesting. Guy puts in long hours so as to not miss anything "popping". There was a homeowner that came out and started yelling at media to get off their property. Got me to thinking. If you saw the cars parked on side of road and camera equipment and so many standing around on your r quiet street I would think it would be very unnerving. Some are operating noisy drones over people's homes...many with bright lights doing news reports etc. I have. to think that there should be a curfew on that street as well as AG street so these people can get some peace. Some crews are there all night. One guy mentioned should get food trucks out there. They are getting door dash deliveries. I bet neighbors will be asking for some limits as this could go on for some time.

Unless they are private roads, we have the right to peacefully assemble.

 

[Justice101]

I remember being similarly frustrated (and admonished!) in the Idaho 4 case, and then BAM! an arrest. Lots of folks (like me!) went from "clearly LE botched all of this!" to "Dang these folks are good!". Needless to say, I try to give LE (and myself) a lot more grace nowadays.

And you've got to have respect for LE when they are getting criticized constantly for lack of progress.. but we have no earthly idea how much information they already have but they are exercising great caution in divulging anything that would alert the perpetrator(s) to change their behavior because LE is onto them.

With this large team they have to have something... or they can maybe at least totally rule out certain people.. But they won't go public with that for obvious reasons.

I "feel" like we are going to get an arrest or POI this week.

 

[CuriousCricket]

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A recent interview with a former FBI agent who visited the scene pointed out how struck he was about how dark the neighborhood is due to Tucson's low light ordinances. He said it was a security nightmare, but people live in the illusion of a "good neighborhood" (which is what my friends still on the job call a neighborhood "where the bad guys shop")

Ex-FBI agent describes what ‘really took my breath away’ about Nancy Guthrie crime scene

Retired FBI supervisory special agent James Gagliano spoke to FOX & Friends on Tuesday morning, from near Nancy’s home in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood on the outskirts of Tucson, Arizona…

nypost.com

The problem with the darkness mentioned in the article is that Nancy was taken when the moon was 1 day from being full, so the desert would have been light enough for someone familiar with the area to easily navigate without a flashlight - moving like a shadow. NOW, last night, in a different moon phase, of course, it's dark. The night of the event however, was a bright night unless weather and clouds made it otherwise.

IF family is not involved, and I'm thinking they're not, and having seen the statistics suggesting a youth from the neighborhood, I'm leaning toward a neighbor or former neighbor who grew up playing in the surrounding area.

I also lean toward a former neighbor, based on the trespasser seen earlier, as he would have needed to check out the planned route to see if fences or other landscaping had changed the route since he'd last been there.

 

[heli]

missed this development, can you point me to a link or give me an idea where in the thread this info is linked so I can check it out? Only one I can find is Fox news or outlets quoting Fox news as their source. Fox news digital is not allowed via TOS. TIA

The Today Show said it this morning

 

[oviedo]

I've been reviewing some of the crime scene footage and taking screenshots.

Not seeing any signs of forced entry on the doors or side gate, although it's true the Sheriff never confirmed there was forced entry.

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Forensic teams were seen scouring the roof of Nancy's home in Tucson, Arizona, reportedly finding a camera mounted to the property that had been missed in previous searches.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Great work !

 

[Deleted member 117884]

I think NG's lastest message was to the ransom-note writer to let him know they don't believe him and are moving on. He will not have a payday.

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes and when I mentioned that yesterday, I was made fun of. I said yard worker. Regardless of their title, they would know an elderly wealthy woman lived alone and may have known she was related to a top news star at NBC. I mentioned maybe that person owed a cartel and received rude responses. As many years as I have been a member here, I am still amazed at how hateful others can be.
Funny, it’s not so funny today. Glad LE is finally gettting dna from

DBM

 

[stmichael]

Yes, I edited my comment to add that since her home was built in 1975, it was always in need of repairs. Big and small!

Whether it was a new construction or built a while ago it needs maintenance to look as neat as it is.

We've seen a plethora of pictures in the property. I have a slightly larger property in the woods of the N.E. and it's constant work.
The low maintenance desert-scape can be deceiving --it needs work (lower maintenance is more accurate). Her house and landscaping looked very neat. There were many things on it, multiple AC units, even a condenser on top of the adjunct house or casita. There's also a lot of ornamentals planted in brick or stone planters around there that look very neat. The pool looks immaculate the lawn is trimmed neatly, the hedges and ornamental bushes are pruned. The recently sealed roofs are as clean as you're going to get.

So there's a lot of components that need attention for that property to look that way if the resident is an 84 year old cardiac compromised person with limited mobility.

 

[Diddian]

Snipped by me.

Maybe someone who knows more about this can help me out. Does this actually reveal that they got DNA from the scene? Or could it just be something they're doing to cover their bases in case DNA shows up somewhere? I'm not convinced that it is as clear-cut as the retired Las Vegas police lieutenant makes it sound, but maybe it is. Are they not allowed to collect DNA samples from people unless they already have something from the crime scene to compare it to?

I don’t think it necessarily means that foreign DNA was found in NG’s home or vehicle or in key places outside the home (such as camera mounts on house or on camera found on roof). It could be strategic: ask those who are known to have worked at the property who will voluntarily give DNA and take a closer look at those who are resistant.

 

[LAhiker]

missed this development, can you point me to a link or give me an idea where in the thread this info is linked so I can check it out? Only one I can find is Fox news or outlets quoting Fox news as their source. Fox news digital is not allowed via TOS. TIA

Yes, it was on Fox news. Tricia has made an exception and allowed Fox for this thread. It does appear to be based on one source, but to me it sounds convincing.

Nancy Guthrie was expected at friend’s home, not church on day she vanished: source''

JMO

 

[LivvyL]

I've been reviewing some of the crime scene footage and taking screenshots.

Not seeing any signs of forced entry on the doors or side gate, although it's true the Sheriff never confirmed there was forced entry.

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Major developments in search for Nancy Guthrie as cops raid her home

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www.dailymail.co.uk

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Thanks for this! It kinda looks like a big drag mark on the driveway. I now wonder if the garage door opening for 2 minutes was to remove Nancy from the scene.

 

[MassGuy]

Forgive me if this is pinned somewhere, but is there a diagram of the house & grounds available? Any past real estate listing, etc, with more photos and info?

No, because she's owned the house for decades, and never listed it. There's a bit of information on the assessor's page.

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Feb 5, 2026

My local one is called the county assessor site.

Right here: Pima County Assessor's

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[cathathorse]

So, the NY church service was Good Shepherd that NG and her friends tune in to.
Hoda Kobt interviews the pastor here:

Hoda Kotb sits down with the Guthrie family's pastor

Hoda Kotb, filling in on the "TODAY" show while Savannah Guthrie remains in Arizona, sat down with the family's pastor to discuss Nancy Guthrie's disappearance.

www.nbcnews.com

It is interesting that NG watches a live stream from her daughter's NYC church instead of one in Tucson area. It seems like SG is very much the golden child. I was also watching some clips on SG's social media and she made Jenna Bush the godmother of her first child, which I thought was notable that it wasn't her sister. It may be that her sister does not share the same religious beliefs. On the other hand, SG called her sister her "spiritual life partner" in a clip of the her 2018 book that someone posted here.

I'm sure the family dynamics are interesting. Just like in all families I'm sure in addition to love, there are tensions and resentments and jealousies. It seems like AG probably did most of the heavy lifting with NG and, if it is anything like my experience as a caretaker (also to an mid 80s family member who is basically "independent"), the faraway siblings have no idea how much work it can be-- and I don't mean physically. It would be hard to see them traveling the world, having summer houses and NYC townhouses, and seemingly having no money worries while I stayed in my hometown.

 

[slowpoke]

thank you for the valuable and most importantly factual info on this "church mystery". Now it makes sense and think about it. Without that call the crime would. maybe not have been found until much later in day. That NBC report is so sad. I just don't know how the family is coping.

And looking at Good Shepherd’s site (link), it says the “Digital Church” service begins at 11:00 AM (EST).

11:00 AM (EST) would be 9:00 AM (MT).

I believe the Sheriff has said AG or “family” got the call at around 11:00, so (no criticism, just noting for timeline purposes) the friend alerted family a couple of hours after the beginning of the service.

 

[nightowl2728]

Catching up from last night! Does anyone have the source of where it was said they're taking DNA of workers? I just am not seeing that online.

Re: the dark skies policies in parts of Arizona, I've only been once, to Flagstaff, but man it did freak me out. Walking around a semi busy place at night with hardly any lights, kind of creepy. And going by homes in neighborhoods that were all dark outside. I could see how more crime could be common. That said, the stars were amazing and I'm sure that's wonderful once you're used to it!

I'm still hung up on the ransom being likely fake. Let's say the perp isn't a family member or someone close to NG, but a random worker or along those lines. Wouldn't such person(s) see that SG may be willing to pay millions and in some way try to cash in on that? Or is the crime too horrible to want any chance of being found out? Or is there a lack of sophistication with the perp with regard to a money transfer that can't be traced, like bitcoin? Or was it not motivated by money in any way? This part doesn't make sense to me.