AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

  • #6,081
I am pretty close to your percentages...I would however raise the percentage on electrician, etc and lower on family member.
What do you think someone she hired would have to gain from this?
 
  • #6,082
I think all family and others are suspects. This guy may have been the one to take her home last night. He may be the nicest guy you would ever want to meet. He does make some wild music, though... one album entitled: Life:Love::Love:Murder. The band is Early Black and they play in the Tucson area. Maybe someone with more insight into this music could add to this. Otherwise, it is reported that he taught biology.
Ok maybe the ransom note mentioned the band which played in the Tucson area and that is why HL from TMZ thinks the perp is from the Tucson area or its surrounding area.
 
  • #6,083
Question for Sleuthers: why do you think there are pieces of boxwood or other shrubbery by the front door? Near the doormat and drops of blood?
I think the doorstep simply had not been swept in some time. I think the blood is old and not related to her disappearance at all. LE has not mentioned any other blood in the home, have they? If this was some sort of serious injury, there would be a lot more blood, for one thing. The elderly have very thin, fragile skin. It's a normal part of aging. I wouldn't be surprised if she nicked herself on a finger or her arm at some point in the past and lost a few drops of blood on the doorstep. That's been my thought process thus far.
 
  • #6,084
IMO the only way family could be involved with this, and it have a purely financial motive like inheritance or property, is if she were left in a location where she would actually be found or someone associated with them facilitated a ransom demand (in which case she would likely be alive and medicated). But family can't get an inheritance or claim someone's property without a death certificate, and the state wouldn't declare her deceased for years without a body. So if they were involved it would not be in their financial (inheritance) interest to take her away from the scene at all, and if they did take her away not to put her in a place that she couldn't be found easily.

This is why I'm not thinking family financial motive.

JMO.
 
  • #6,085
I have been thinking about the Erin Patterson case, and wondering (MOO) what her text messages Saturday evening into Sunday morning will reveal. Could she have been poisoned at the dinner? Could she have felt some malaise and contacted the perpetrator on her phone to come assist her? Only for them to not have good intentions? Or googling medical symptoms from a personal device.

And along that front, have detectives/LE checked local dumpsters? I also have the Emmanuel Haro case in mind (PS, where is that boy?!) and the parents claiming they put the boy in a dumpster. Could the perpetrator(s) have put her into a dumpster as well? In addition to all of the desert out there which I have seen discussed. I don't have foundation for either of these to be clear!
 
  • #6,086
I thought it was originally reported as pay x amount by Thursday or the price goes up and you have until Monday to pay the higher amount or else. Seems like i heard that the day TMZ reported the ransom note but not sure about that
Its so weird, I was genuinely confused why everyone was saying 'new information'. I'll see if I can find something from a few days ago.
 
  • #6,087
Everyday I wake up and check thinking there will finally be a big update on this case. I’m shocked we’re on day 6 now and still nothing
 
  • #6,088
Yes, NG is definitely a fall risk since she walks with a cane.
The photo of NG using a cane standing next to SG is from June 2023
I read or heard somewhere she uses a walker.
She could now use both or used a walker back in 2023?
imo

 
  • #6,089
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I really, really want to know more about this. We have heard that NG had not attended church in person since Covid. Was NG planning on making an exception to attend this particular Sunday? Did the perp think she would keep up her normal routine of watching the service remotely? Or did the perp know ahead of time that she had made special arrangements to attend in person this particular Sunday?

Regarding whether NG had recently been attending services in person or whether she was in the habit of watching them online, I'd like to see other sources besides the Daily Mail. LE doesn't have to tell us what they found. But I wonder whether some journalists could (politely & discreetly) ask around about this question, especially as we wait for other progress in the case.

JMO
 
  • #6,090
Why does everyone keep bringing up the two minute garage? As someone with an 88 year old parent...2 minutes is NOTHING. It takes me that long to pause, open car door, get walker out, help parent out of car, grab the delivery from door or mail from mailbox, hug goodbye, walk parent to door, etc. Let alone if it's recycle day or garbage day the next morning...then I'm pausing longer to bring stuff to the curb or bring bins back in.
And my garage door seems to take about 20 seconds at least to fully open before I can even walk in. And I refuse to walk under it until it’s fully up and stopped because I have an irrational fear of it falling down while moving. We didn’t get time down to the millisecond so it could be closer to 1 minute and 2 seconds between start of opening and closing. She would probably have to wait around 10 seconds for the garage door to get up enough for her to have enough room to walk under it (if she was rational enough not to worry about it falling on her!), so it could be we’re working with 52 seconds for a person with lower mobility to walk from the front to the back of the garage. Maybe she had an empty plastic water bottle in her hand, or a tissue that she figured she would throw away before going inside and her trash can was on the other side of the garage from the door closer button, so she went to the trash can first, taking up another 10 seconds. I am so confused as to why people are so hung up on the “2 minutes” (anywhere between 62 seconds and 120 seconds), even if she already out of the car and standing right in front of the door when it started to open.
 
  • #6,091
So what did taking NG actually accomplish?

If the ransom was not the main objective:
1. We know it prevented SG from going to Italy. Covering the Olympics usually means feel-good stories. So, did she have something else on her schedule that might have been destructive to someone's life? The possibility of her discovering a dark secret in TC's background tugs at my mind. However, since he's been in the family for such a long time, surely SG would have already checked him out if she wanted to. Has something come up recently?

2. It also brought the son home from Vermont. How did that change his schedule? We simply don't know.

3. Did it prevent something happening in the life of Annie and TC?

4. Or was it a break-in gone bad and simply scheduled on a bright full-moon night?

What has been accomplished? How could something be big enough to risk prison for kidnapping, possibly murder?
a break in gone bad is all i can think of to make sense at this point
remove the person/body, removes the evidence
but even that seems like a dumb move
 
  • #6,092
Yes to all your questions.

The first place I’d look to for a Perp would be someone who provided a service at her home routinely. They knew the layout.

Amateur opinion and speculation only
I assume LE is questioning service providers, repairmen, etc. ??
 
  • #6,093
Would the 40 min gap not be easily explained by the perp rummaging through Nancy’s things/robbing her? That’s what I assume they were doing. I’ll be shocked if this was a sexually motivated crime.
Maybe times was used picking front door and then having to use another door.. then time used finding keys to get out that front door
 
  • #6,094
The photo of NG using a cane standing next to SG is from June 2023
I read or heard somewhere she uses a walker.
She could now use both or used a walker back in 2023?
imo


She may use both. My neighbor (in her 80s) has both a cane and a walker and uses one or the other depending on how she's feeling that day.
 
  • #6,095
There is a clear and close-up photo of the front door area showing the locks as well as the (now empty) door camera/doorbell bracket, and it looks exactly like a Nest doorbell mounting bracket, for a battery-powered (not wired) Nest doorbell.
Sorry to reply to myself, and I don't know if this is allowed. Please delete and forgive me if not. But here is a comparison of the photo of NG's door on the left (sourced from Daily Mail) and a screenshot from Google's instructional video for installing Nest doorbells on the right. Seems pretty conclusive to me.

ngcamcompare.webp
 
  • #6,096
IMO the only way family could be involved with this, and it have a purely financial motive like inheritance or property, is if she were left in a location where she would actually be found or someone associated with them facilitated a ransom demand (in which case she would likely be alive and medicated). But family can't get an inheritance or claim someone's property without a death certificate, and the state wouldn't declare her deceased for years without a body. So if they were involved it would not be in their financial (inheritance) interest to take her away from the scene at all, and if they did take her away not to put her in a place that she couldn't be found easily.

This is why I'm not thinking family financial motive.

JMO.
Same here.
 
  • #6,097
They caught some clown who copied the ransom note loser, but not the big ransom note loser.

I think that you think that the ransom note is a settled issue, but there are two separate senders.
It might also make more sense in a case like this to have a "shelter/move the victim" team and a ransom team because the chance of maintaining anonymity is better if there are more moving parts IMO. The ransom demand could come from outside the US.
Sorry if this was mentioned earlier, but was watching Nancy Graces recent episode:

She pointed out there's two red smudges (blood) on the brick wall to the right of the front door.

Given that the blood outside was confirmed to be Nancy's this makes me believe that NG walked out and put her hand on the wall. Previously, I only noticed the blood on the ground and I was assuming that maybe she was incapacitated and carried out entirely.

JMO
I think she was scraped being carried out-or maybe tried to grab at the door frame. Not sure if she would go into shock and be compliant when awakened and "snatched" or if she would struggle a bit. It says to me that the kidnappers were not careful with her which is not good because they were treating her like a piece of furniture, not a precious cargo, IMO.
 
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I really, really want to know more about this. We have heard that NG had not attended church in person since Covid. Was NG planning on making an exception to attend this particular Sunday? Did the perp think she would keep up her normal routine of watching the service remotely? Or did the perp know ahead of time that she had made special arrangements to attend in person this particular Sunday?
I’m not a practicing catholic but I recall a friend has a mass said for her deceased husband once a year.That might be a day you would attend in person.Our elderly friend otherwise watches mass online every morning.
 
  • #6,099
Kinda off topic, but shows how tattoos can misinform. ICE in Minneapolis took a noted soccer player/coach because of a Real Madrid tattoo they misunderstood as gang related. Has been released.
Also recall misreading of MS-13 tattoo (individual was apprehended/deported) and was not a member. Would have to research for full details. Back to NANCY, please come home!
 
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It is my understanding- someone correct me if I’m wrong - that the front door camera was not a nest. The front door had a recording/working camera, so was maybe a ring camera?? The cameras placed all around the property (other than front door and MAYBE back door) were nests without subscriptions/no video.

Is that right?
Ring cams recording at front and back doors
—smashed and/or ring are just different brand names

It is my understanding- someone correct me if I’m wrong - that the front door camera was not a nest. The front door had a recording/working camera, so was maybe a ring camera?? The cameras placed all around the property (other than front door and MAYBE back door) were nests without subscriptions/no video.

Is that right?
Ring cams recording at front and back doors
—smashed and/or taken

Nest cams everywhere else
(not main entrances)
—no subscription/no video
—not smashed, not taken
Nest and Ring are just different brand names for similar types of front doorbell cameras. Cameras elsewhere can be connected to the same system, or not.
 

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