AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[StarryStarryNight]

What if:

- there was a request for a loan by a host a small family gathering, and it was declined
-someone became enraged and another person was injured and died, and the hosts of the gathering try to think what to do
-one of the hosts takes the deceased’s Apple Watch and collects some blood and walks over to the deceased’s house and enters through the garage just before 10pm, backing victims car out of the garage
-that host stages the crime scene, watch and blood.
-that host drives back to his house in victim’s car and puts victim in that car then drives around to find a place to hide the body
-then that host drives back to his house
-the next morning when the hosts go to victims house they take their car and victims car. Enter home by the garage, parking the victims car back in garage before LE comes.

*LE tows victim’s car days later after a license plate reader indicated the car was being driven around that night.

And after that bedtime story/fairy tale, it’s off to dreamland for me! Goodnight, friends!

 

[citizen_sleuth]

If SIL/AG were involved, I’m struggling to make sense of the timeline (even assuming the ransom demands are unrelated).

The first scenario, that NG never left their home after dinner, seems difficult to match with the pacemaker connectivity data. How would her pacemaker connect to her Apple Watch until around 2am? The Apple Watch was found at NG’s home and I would imagine one of the first things LE did was run digital forensics to see where the watch was and when, so both NG and the watch would’ve had to return back to NG’s house.

The second scenario, that NG was indeed taken from her home at the time her pacemaker lost connection with the Apple Watch at around 2am is also confusing, albeit much less so. If SIL/AG were responsible, why the blood? I could see staging the scene to make it look like there was forced entry, but as family, they would have likely been able to remove her from home and get her into a car without resorting to violence (for example, “so-and-so is sick and at the hospital and we need to go now”).

MOO.

 

[ttjo]

The uber is verified. Car damage could have happened anytime. Likely unrelated, but who knows. Possible blood was staged. TC is biology teacher. Pipettes.

I wasnt even sure if it was damage or if the pic was just distorted

 

[priyaya]

JMO - if there is a kidnapping followed by ransom letters, a person of SG's standing would probably go through professional negotiators.

She's a lawyer.. . She'd definitely negotiate
Why I think she's playing along for FBI to catch whoever

 

[Fargo]

Doesn't mean she was alive, does it? All the timeline says is that "Sixteen minutes later, at 2:28 a.m., Guthrie’s pacemaker app showed it had disconnected from her phone." Wouldn't this indicate that she was taken away from her phone at that time? Could she have already been deceased at that point, but still have her phone on her?

I don't know how pacemakers work, if someone else could chime in here. Would the app show activity if she was deceased and was still wearing the watch?

Source: Authorities provide a timeline of the night Nancy Guthrie disappeared

There seems to be a lot of confusion about pacemaker monitoring. The pacemaker is not transmitting to the receiver 24/7. Once a day, typically between midnight and 3 am, the app will interrogate the pacemaker for a transmission. It seems that when the interrogation was sent at 2:28 am the app received a "disconnected" reply because the pacemaker was not in range when interrogated and pacemaker data could not be retrieved.

 

[korncrasy]

And someone said it may have been luminol. Sounds like a crime scene.

Maybe they are using luminal on SIL shoes, garage floor,clothes etc and nothing actually happened at AG house.

 

[TheDinks]

Other than being supposedly the last person to see NG alive, what makes SIL a suspect? He has been in the family for many years, has a respectable job ... what makes people suspect him? I don't believe finances are the driving factor here. NG is 84, at some point in the not too distant future they would be getting a share of inheritance. What do we know about SIL otherwise?

If you care to read comments on YT videos of any media broadcasting this you will see a gazillion reasons for people's suspicions from the accepted (last to see + family member) to the way he looks, his eyes, lack of money, the lyrics he write, album name... the list goes on...

Not my personal reasoning... just what I've read and answering query.

 

[tbgo]

Other than being supposedly the last person to see NG alive, what makes SIL a suspect? He has been in the family for many years, has a respectable job ... what makes people suspect him? I don't believe finances are the driving factor here. NG is 84, at some point in the not too distant future they would be getting a share of inheritance. What do we know about SIL otherwise?

What is his job? They were able to find very little about either his or the sister’s actual employment.

 

[Luna20]

Someone posted upthread to watch SG video without sound on it? It is an interesting angle.

 

[SRWCF]

If the crime took place in their house, then Ag can't not know...

She and TC have been married for 20 years. They are both "poets" so connect on a deeper, artistic level. They know each other well. She knows, if she is not directly involved already.

 

[dogmom805]

If in fact SIL is involved, this makes the earlier things, like LE publicly ruling out family as suspects, and LE being vague saying 'family' took her home, we are going to go with that, make sense.

 

[whitelilac]

the blood wasn't smeared ... or a possible shoe print; even a corner of a shoe ... some of it should have been smeared if they were removing her from the home ... just all drops -- except the one patch of blood; that appears as if it was from nose/throat (from the lab results)

I did read here a post from person (who knows about blood spatter) that if a drop of blood drops onto another fresh drop...it will scatter, as shown in that one area on the porch.

 

[distracted]

I believe - and have from the start - that the ransom demands are a diversion. Unfortunately, the demands have also been a sensational diversion. The time and resources used to follow up on these demands have allowed the person or persons responsible for her disappearance time to cover their tracks.

Do the demands have to be taken seriously? Yes, of course. Do I believe she's being held for ransom? No.

 

[txsleuth70]

Other than being supposedly the last person to see NG alive, what makes SIL a suspect? He has been in the family for many years, has a respectable job ... what makes people suspect him? I don't believe finances are the driving factor here. NG is 84, at some point in the not too distant future they would be getting a share of inheritance. What do we know about SIL otherwise?

Suspicion raised here after journalist AB reported a very high level LE told her that he may be their prime suspect on Day #2!

 

[Strangeworld]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about pacemaker monitoring. The pacemaker is not transmitting to the receiver 24/7. Once a day, typically between midnight and 3 am, the app will interrogate the pacemaker for a transmission. It seems that when the interrogation was sent at 2:28 am the app received a "disconnected" reply because the pacemaker was not in range when interrogated and pacemaker data could not be retrieved.

Wow, I didn't know this! Well that certainly sheds light on a few things. Thank you for clarifying Fargo

 

[JaimeInLA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020365491257352661

 

[missy1974]

And someone said it may have been luminol. Sounds like a crime scene.

hmmm with no crime scene tape up and 2 unmarked LE vehicles.

I would expect to see more there.

I think they are just searching. For what? who knows. Anything.

 

[SammiSleuthing]

I'm afraid they received proof of non-life in this new video. (Savannah Speaks Out in Second Video with Siblings, Says They ‘Will Pay’ For Mother’s Return)

"We received your message. We understand."
Understand what? That she is gone, particularly reading Savannah's defeated and sad demeanor so different than the first video, her excruciating desperate plea ("We need to know without a doubt that she is alive") and still referring to her mother in present tense, her joy and faith and sense of adventure, etc. None of that is in this video.

Also, the plea for her to return so they can peace. "This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.”

We will still pay you to have her body returned to us is the only way left for us to have peace, is how it reads to me.

Everything is just different, the dejected sadness coupled with the somber verbiage. Bloody hell, what a nightmare this has all been. And, I'll add, I would love nothing more than to be 100% wrong.

There is a special place in hell for those who hurt the most vulnerable among us.

MOO

 

[SUNchips]

Yes, I’m thinking this could’ve been a reason for LE visiting Circle K yesterday (?) requesting surveillance cameras footage looking for a vehicle of interest. Wasn’t it said this circle K was very close to AG/SIL’s home?

I agree, you literally have to pass this circle K to go from Nancy’s house to AG’s. Idk I was on the fence but I’m firmly in SIL camp right now.

 

[InspectGadget]

I did read here a post from person (who knows about blood spatter) that if a drop of blood drops onto another fresh drop...it will scatter, as shown in that one area on the porch.

Yes I want to say it may have been Tricia who shared the info about that-I will try to find it