Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[pharmad]

It's so odd looking at the Criminal Map around NG's home.

I know they probably followed up on them because everyone in that area are on high alert.. but the 2 in the same spot is interesting..

 

[pharmad]

Is that the same planter just without the plant?

Yeah, same looking pot from what I can tell, Nov 2025 had that plant similar to one further out, and now a small amount was scattered. Makes me wonder if they grabbed the rest to dipose of.. might've had blood on it? It's hard to say but odd..

 

[Curiousraccoon]

Yeah, same looking pot from what I can tell, Nov 2025 had that plant similar to one futhure out, and now a small amount was scattered. Makes me wonder if they grabbed the rest to dipose of.. might've had blood on it? It's hard to say but odd..

There was someone earlier here who speculated that Nancy kept an extra key inside the pot and someone knew it and got the key
I don't know if we discredited this idea or even discussed it throughly

 

[pharmad]

There was someone earlier here who speculated that Nancy kept an extra key inside the pot and someone knew it and got the key
I don't know if we discredited this idea or even discussed it throughly

It would make sense, but that took someone who really knew her.. which doesn't help SIL. That's not something you'd look for when she had planters/ornaments everywhere to place a key.

 

[InVinoVeritas]

There was someone earlier here who speculated that Nancy kept an extra key inside the pot and someone knew it and got the key
I don't know if we discredited this idea or even discussed it throughly

I can imagine someone now in a panic, trying to find the key and destroying the plant in the process.

 

[VicBlazey]

Yeah, same looking pot from what I can tell, Nov 2025 had that plant similar to one further out, and now a small amount was scattered. Makes me wonder if they grabbed the rest to dipose of.. might've had blood on it? It's hard to say but odd..

I hope that pot has been checked for any forensic material underneath!

 

[detective.moon]

I wished there was a poll for this one. I am interested in seeing the percentages.

going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
if you suspect someone close to NG
if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
if you suspect a stranger
if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

edit: to clarify, the question here is who is responsible for nancy’s disappearance

 

[Curiousraccoon]

At the same time, It's a bit cliche to keep a key right in or under the front door flower pot.. Given that other doors in the back are not gated, if it was me, or keep a key in the Casita or the treehouse or somewhere in the backyard, somewhere less obvious that the flower pot

 

[pharmad]

At the same time, It's a bit cliche to keep a key right in or under the front door flower pot.. Given that other doors in the back are not gated, if it was me, or keep a key in the Casita or the treehouse or somewhere in the backyard, somewhere less obvious that the flower pot

Well.. not if you lived alone like NG did, she would place it somewhere easily accessible I'm sure, thinking for herself or family. It is cliche.. but happens all the time sadly.

or.. due to the amount of time before anyone noticed, the perp came back but he already took out the front door camera, one they knew of, so after leaving with NG and coming back without her to check things, would pull it up if a key was there. Knowing no camera isn't there anymore. Diposed of it to get rid of the "idea" of a key being there, meaning someone close.

It's plausible they came back, with the amount of time.. could've been more evidence but didn't have time and decided to come back, but it would've been a bad idea to go in the same place you went in previously (ie back, etc), knowing of the "Key" in the pot, grabbed it because you orginally locked the door leaving with NG. This would throw investigators off a bit, they are probably thinking its from a scuffle.

 

[KBlackRabbit]

AG makes jewelry and would likely run in the circles of those who attend the gem show. Didn’t someone upthread say a lot of gem people are also crypto people?

The acquaintance of one of my friends lives in a remote trailer in the AZ desert. She’s eccentric to say the least, would likely cross paths with these gem hunters, and her entire nest egg is in bitcoin, so a gem/crypto Venn diagram tracks.

If AG and/or TC are involved, it’s possible they have help from one of her gem/crypto buddies. Maybe this third person is the one running the crypto ransom note for a cut the money and may know how to launder it once it’s received.

 

[Kemug]

I completely disagree. It's 2 hours out of his day. And maybe he had a family member playing or some ties to the game, who knows. He's entitled to his own time. Come on. It shouldn't be news. I don't see it as disrespectful.

Or maybe someone gave him a ticket as a present.

 

[Strangeworld]

I just noticed something... The front door where the blood is, I was browsing street view through different dates, and the 'plant' scattered around the door previous years had that exact plant in the pot that is now empty.

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This makes me wonder if they pulled up the plant? Key? Evidence? Blood? the image I grabbed was from Nov 2025. May be nothing.. just saw this., tried my best to enhance it... best I could do. But she had that same plant in similar pots in the front.

LE may have taken the plant for evidence of blood, maybe they visually couldn't see blood on the pot so left it?

 

[Curiousraccoon]

going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
if you suspect someone close to NG
if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
if you suspect a stranger
if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

Good poll!

There could also be an option of two crimes and two suspects - one for disappearance (=likely murder) and one for ransom notes, but I think covers that alright

 

[Napoli]

I do wonder if they already know it’s someone close to home and they’re going along with this ransom thing to keep the family distracted if it is in fact one of them. I wouldn’t be surprised. Hell, the last ransom message may have been planted by the FBI. Who knows?


They can get a search warrant pretty quickly. It doesn’t take much.

The family knows the rules. The first email had a place to send the bitcoin by such and such a time. That's it. The family asking for POL etc was a good try but possibly a bad idea. Send the bitcoin to this bitcoin wallet...Family wanted to negotiate with POL..Perps shut that down..it's been a week. NO POL..now you might only get a body..same price...same amount of bitcoin. I DO NOT think the SIL is part of any of this. Perhaps a stalker SG doent even know she has...A person with a grudge against the military son..some whacko political group or foreign entity that didnt like a news story SG was nvolved in. Someone who didnt want SG at the Olympics..People are NUTS! Ideology is warped..Since none of this makes sense to us is because it is not on anyone's radar screen. This is possibly a nutjob with an agenda to fund a mini revolution or something.. JMO and active imagination..

 

[Cassie P]

The usage of "this" is...unsettling to me. "This is important to us." "This is the only way we will have peace"

Yes in the precious video SG is trying to humanize her mother, make her a real person to the kidnappers. In the latest video SG does the opposite, making her mother a "this."

This part, right here. Not "she" but "this". That reads like a response to something specific. As does "celebrate with her". A specific response to something.

Does SG now know her mother is dead?

 

[Moonstrawbs]

I've tried to keep up but this thread is moving a million miles an a hour in the blink of an eye. I may have missed something but is it just me who just doesn't believe the ransom/kidnap narrative? It doesn't connect or make any sort of sense to me. Jmo.

 

[Strangeworld]

going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
if you suspect someone close to NG
if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
if you suspect a stranger
if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

just checking, the poll is for what happened to Nancy, not specifically the ransom? I've answered re who was responsible for Nancy's disappearance

 

[submarine7]

going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
if you suspect someone close to NG
if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
if you suspect a stranger
if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

 

[osu]

Pretty much because they had a flurry of very much unwanted comments about the SIL's alleged involvement in Nancy's vanishing.

MOO

Thanks. That makes sense. When I was reading the FB page on Wednesday night I didn’t see any new comments at that time but I was mostly looking through the photos.

 

[Jessicaleanne1992]

I just noticed something... The front door where the blood is, I was browsing street view through different dates, and the 'plant' scattered around the door previous years had that exact plant in the pot that is now empty.

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This makes me wonder if they pulled up the plant? Key? Evidence? Blood? the image I grabbed was from Nov 2025. May be nothing.. just saw this., tried my best to enhance it... best I could do. But she had that same plant in similar pots in the front.

I never noticed there was an Amazon package tucked in there.