Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[pharmad]

LE may have taken the plant for evidence of blood, maybe they visually couldn't see blood on the pot so left it?

I mean.. thats possible, just odd.. blood splatter even in micro amounts they would've took the whole thing if that was the case.

 

[detective.moon]

just checking, the poll is for what happened to Nancy, not specifically the ransom? I've answered re who was responsible for Nancy's disappearance

Good poll!

There could also be an option of two crimes and two suspects - one for disappearance (=likely murder) and one for ransom notes, but I think covers that alright

oh, good thinking! to be honest i didn’t even think to separate the two, but i have now edited to clarify that the question is who is responsible for nancy’s disappearance!

 

[Song in My Heart]

going to attempt to do a poll! though it’s not really the same of course

react to this post with an
if you suspect someone close to NG
if you suspect someone who knew NG as an acquaintance
if you suspect a stranger
if you really don’t know what to think
anymore!

(randomly choosen emojis, and of course not trying to make light of this awful situation at all. just to get an idea of what people think)

edit: to clarify, the question here is who is responsible for nancy’s disappearance

 

[BrownRice]

Going backwards a bit because I have just been lurking here and not posting, the weirdest thing to me from the beginning of this, as just a person with a close family and older grandparents around Nancy's age, is that she was brought back to the house, apparently, at almost 10pm (after arriving over four hours earlier at 5:30ish). I know people have different schedules, etc. but MOST people that age are in their home, if not in bed, by that time. It's just a biological thing for most older people. [Edit for details: They like to get into their Pjs, wash up, take out dentures ha, and sit in front of the Tv for a bit to wind down before going to bed].

We have my grandparents over for dinner often and it's usually a 5:30pm ish pickup, with a 7-8pm at the LATEST return home, we go in and make sure the temperature in the home is good if it's winter, that the lights are on, etc. No we don't have to do that/they would be fine on their own, but I think most people can attest to similar with older relatives, especially if they're not the best on their feet. Late at night they are usually tired.

So that stood out to me from the JUMP as a detail for a casual (four hour) family dinner down the road. The late return from dinner at the sister's... If she was dropped off at almost 10pm for most people that's not bed until 10:30. Which again is pretty late for an older person especially if she goes to church in the morning.

Y’all. 80 is the new 60 for many people. Being 80 doesn’t mean you’re in a nursing home, being tucked into bed, unable to care for yourself. Etc. I don’t see anything particularly nefarious about coming home at 9:48 pm.

 

[Song in My Heart]

Good poll!

There could also be an option of two crimes and two suspects - one for disappearance (=likely murder) and one for ransom notes, but I think covers that alright

 

[osu]

Could it be to prevent comments on their page after AB pointed the finger?

That’s most likely. When I was reading the page on Wednesday evening I didn’t notice any accusatory comments towards TC but that was probably before AB.

 

[Song in My Heart]

Dbm

 

[outloudthink]

I’m thinking NG never made it home and that’s why LE released the home to the family so quickly. Or did I miss the part where LE was seen taking a bunch of evidence from NG’s home?

 

[Curiousraccoon]

I'm thinking that a real kidnapper should know something about the scene which is very specific to the scene.

The fact that they mentioned broken floodlights which everyone could see were broken makes me think it's possibly an opportunist or someone who is just trying to confuse things as much as possible, a troll.

I know they also mentioned the watch. But my opinion stays that if they knew something very specific, they didn't even need to bring the floodlights up. There were so many other elements from the crime scene that they could have mentioned instead if they were real.

 

[Sadi]

To me, SG's instagram from Saturday night sounded like she was TOLD to insert certain words by the perps as a signal. I also think that the family and the law dont understand that the perps have all the power. The perps are not going to continue with contact, emails etc. Every "contact" potentially exposes the perps. The perps have all the power. The family has none. No request for life because, possibly, that was part of the latest demand from the perps. Something like "Dont rewrite our rules". It's an effort to keep the family helpless and the perps in control. Latest instagram was more than words or agreement...IMO, it was a signal with odd words chosen by the perps that actually mean something else. JMO

I just watched the family’s video from last night and can see the pain, it’s unimaginable. Wanting N returned so that they can celebrate is telling they know she’s no longer alive and want to celebrate her life. Maybe the kidnapper instructions were to make contact only on Instagram, but isn’t that traceable by who views it? Why not instead go on a national news site, like CNN instead? Prayers and strength for the family and everyone involved in this tragic case.

 

[BrownRice]

If she was taken by people whom she knew closely, she's alive in my opinion. If it was strangers, not likely.

I think the opposite! How would it work if SIL had her kidnapped and then got the $. Nancy comes home and goes back to playing mahjong and having dinner again at his house?

 

[Strangeworld]

I never noticed there was an Amazon package tucked in there.

Its eerie isn't it. How things can change in the time from ordering something online through Amazon, and by the time it's delivered to Nancy she is gone

 

[pharmad]

Its eerie isn't it. How things can change in the time from ordering something online through Amazon, and by the time it's delivered to Nancy she is gone

Wait.. thats a Amazon Package, I wonder if the UPS/FedEx noticed the blood? Had to of.. if not, that can shorten the window of when blood was there... the blood is obviously congealed, but that doesn't take long in Arizona weather.. few hours max.

But they had to see it considering they took the time to tuck it behind the pillar... Wonder if they reached out to the driver.

 

[Sadi]

I've tried to keep up but this thread is moving a million miles an a hour in the blink of an eye. I may have missed something but is it just me who just doesn't believe the ransom/kidnap narrative? It doesn't connect or make any sort of sense to me. Jmo.

If it’s connected, why did they wait to contact the news media and family? This doesn’t make sense. Maybe someone not involved, but saw the opportunity and acted on it.

 

[Jabarn]

If the perpetrator has a financial motive (I do think this motivation is complex and that would be simplifying it), there may still be a level of desperation to close this deal. I hope that will be what trips him up and the FBI is able to use their advanced technology to get a trace on where the messages are coming from. For example, the news station seemed to believe they are coming from Tucson, so that’s impressive in and of itself. The family just need to buy a little time. Doubtful this kidnapper(s) is altogether trustworthy on her status, so it may be too soon to lose all hope.

 

[simlyme]

Any thoughts on why the SIL bands Facebook page might’ve been removed?

TC and two other musicians have had a heavy metal band called ‘Early Black’ for quite a few years and they posted photos and updates frequently on Facebook. I read through most of it on Tuesday night and by Wednesday the page was gone.

JMO

it's still there ,no activity since 2016

 

[Sadi]

Yes in the precious video SG is trying to humanize her mother, make her a real person to the kidnappers. In the latest video SG does the opposite, making her mother a "this."


Does SG now know her mother is dead?

The sad thing is N may not be returning at all and if this is truly a kidnapping, would they take the risk? What would be their gain if they are paid? You would think they would have provided proof of life already to get the money paid immediately. If Monday’s deadline isn’t met, then what happens? It’s a risk either way to pay it or not. Whoever is sending the ransom messages is a cruel and evil person.

 

[Strangeworld]

If the perpetrator has a financial motive (I do think this motivation is complex and that would be simplifying it), there may still be a level of desperation to close this deal. I hope that will be what trips him up and the FBI is able to use their advanced technology to get a trace on where the messages are coming from. For example, the news station seemed to believe they are coming from Tucson, so that’s impressive in and of itself. The family just need to buy a little time. Doubtful this kidnapper(s) is altogether trustworthy on her status, so it may be too soon to lose all hope.

Agree. And while they still keep the communication going, there is hope the FBI can track them. If it goes silent, it makes it so much more difficult. And the person/s wanting the ransom, they need communication to stay open if there's hope of getting what they want. It was naive of them in the beginning to actually no further contact, that's not how these things work. There are details to sort out, negotiation or confirmation of life, etc

 

[Rumination1]

Well.. not if you lived alone like NG did, she would place it somewhere easily accessible I'm sure, thinking for herself or family. It is cliche.. but happens all the time sadly.

or.. due to the amount of time before anyone noticed, the perp came back but he already took out the front door camera, one they knew of, so after leaving with NG and coming back without her to check things, would pull it up if a key was there. Knowing no camera isn't there anymore. Diposed of it to get rid of the "idea" of a key being there, meaning someone close.

It's plausible they came back, with the amount of time.. could've been more evidence but didn't have time and decided to come back, but it would've been a bad idea to go in the same place you went in previously (ie back, etc), knowing of the "Key" in the pot, grabbed it because you orginally locked the door leaving with NG. This would throw investigators off a bit, they are probably thinking its from a scuffle.

How does one disconnect t/ remove doorbell camera ?

 

[Sadi]

Its eerie isn't it. How things can change in the time from ordering something online through Amazon, and by the time it's delivered to Nancy she is gone

Amazon takes a picture of the package to show confirmation of delivery, sends to N’s phone, I wonder if LE can see anything else on that picture?