AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[bdawk20]

What are people’s thoughts on the towing of Nancy’s car from the garage? Do they think she actually used the car that night? They took it when they came back in some sort of renewed search, but I’m struggling to put together what that might mean.

 

[Skagirl]

Many pages ago, there was some discussion regarding NG's Will or Trust. It was suggested that one of the deadlines for the ransom payment might have been related to NG possibly amending her Will/Trust between the two deadline dates for payment. DH and I discussed this last night, and both agreed that no attorney would "amend" or "change" the Will or Trust of an 84-year-old woman on demand. An attorney would have sensed immediately that Mrs. Guthrie was under duress and that she was being forced to do something against her will. It isn't easy to alter a long-standing Will or Trust.

I agree with this. My day job is as a paralegal and we do POAs and wills all the time. We always meet with people when they want a change made to ensure that they are of sound mind and not being pressured by family members to make changes.

 

[mikeshanty]

In this scenario are you assuming her intention was a ransom? Maybe it was a domestic gone horribly wrong (even by her spouse) and then a blundering cover-up/distraction after the fact. Many cases have unraveled in blundering, unbelievable ways.

The ransom as far as we know with all the details released to the press could have come after the fact or another event or be unrelated. Many experts, former FBI etc. have said it's a very atypical ransom. If one's end goal was a ransom you would want it quick and quiet and contact the family directly, have other proof than a description of things at the crime scene after the fact.
It is possible the "ransom" is an after the fact cover up or distraction and that NG was deceased prior to it, in an assault, accident, domestic, etc. either by a blundering wannabe kidnapper or by someone in her immediate circle. It is possible the ransom is a scam by another party that was clever enough to get some facts of the case (as far as we know no unique identifying information has come since then. If they had possession of an alive NG they could obtain that.)

The ransom was always the weird part in how atypical and convoluted it appeared. It may well be an indirect product of another event and even by another party. And it may be put out there with no true intention to genuinely bargain for return, because they can't offer that (either NG is already deceased, or the "ransomer" can not deliver her/doesn't have her).

I agree the domestic gone wrong is a plausible scenario. But the ransom cover up theory is still too sophisticated for someone with AG's profile. How would they be engaging in this while under heavy scrutiny of LE? If there is another party involved, this increases the likelihood of SIL / AG being found out. Statistically, the more people required to enforce a "cover up" the more probable it becomes of the whole thing collapsing.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Please let me know if I am missing an angle here in my thought process. Let's for argument's sake now say that her ending happened at the home of her daughter and SIL. If it was perhaps over money, say they were taking money from an account of hers, and she found out confronted them, or anything like that, and say the SIL did something, if AG had no part in it, wouldn't she have called 911?

If she was afraid that she would end up being a victim herself, even if she got herself, and if they have a child, etc., out of the house at some point, wouldn't she have contacted the police? And isn't the fact that she did not contact the police if things got out of hand in that house proof that she was part of it?

People have noted that the holding hands with the sister in the latest video is not really holding hands. That body language speaks volumes. I don't know if she is still having to put on a façade pretending that she believes her sister had no part in this to try to get information, or to try to get cooperation to get whoever sent the emails/notes.

 

[birdbox]

dog could have barked during the kidnapping (or whatever it was) but. would anyone hear it out there with coyotes howling?

We lived near coyotes for 15 years and yes you can still hear a dog bark with coyotees howling. Having said that, I am reading she did not have a dog. Also coyotes move around a area quite a bit hunting. They will sound close sometimes, and distant at other times. They howl a good bit upon finding a rabbit or something else they are hunting and they only do this at night. It was really cool living near them. They never bothered any of our stray farm cats in all those years.

 

[SMK777]

Please let me know if I am missing an angle here in my thought process. Let's for argument's sake now say that her ending happened at the home of her daughter and SIL. If it was perhaps over money, say they were taking money from an account of hers, and she found out confronted them, or anything like that, and say the SIL did something, if AG had no part in it, wouldn't she have called 911?

If she was afraid that she would end up being a victim herself, even if she got herself, and if they have a child, etc., out of the house at some point, wouldn't she have contacted the police? And isn't the fact that she did not contact the police if things got out of hand in that house proof that she was part of it?

People have noted that the holding hands with the sister in the latest video is not really holding hands. That body language speaks volumes. I don't know if she is still having to put on a façade pretending that she believes her sister had no part in this to try to get information, or to try to get cooperation to get whoever sent the emails/notes.

AG may have felt that she too would be implicated. Calling 911 would also mean the arrest of her husband, public exposure, and the destruction of her family life. MOO

 

[SeattleStew]

The family’s failure to find blood at the front door a week ago speaks (somewhat) to their innocence and the guilt of a person less familiar with the family My assumption is the front door is never used by Nancy, so the family had no reason to dream that she had exited by the front door. That said, a stranger locking the front door(s) behind himself seems unlikely as well. Hard to figure out this one. So little makes sense.

IMO the missing cover for the Nest camera, and the blood on the doorstep is a ruse. Planted to confuse the investigators.

 

[lonetraveler]

I have the opposite opinion.

IMO, can they really speak “man to man” when they’re not on an equal footing? At the moment all the power is in the hands of whomever took Nancy.

What you see as lukewarm, I see as tightly controlled rage, knowing his mother’s life is up to the kidnapper right now.

He’s career military but he’s a jet fighter pilot, not National Guard. I presume he is accustomed to being in control in dangerous situations, and to keep emotion in check so he can do his highly skilled job.

But right now, he is forced to “play nice” in order to have a mother again.

JMO

My thoughts exactly.

 

[priyaya]

AG may have felt that she too would be implicated. Calling 911 would also mean the arrest of her husband, public exposure, and the destruction of her family life. MOO

then she better start talking now

 

[keek]

AG may have felt that she too would be implicated. Calling 911 would also mean the arrest of her husband, public exposure, and the destruction of her family life. MOO

That scenario happens all the time, cover up as the least damaging to themselves and family, children. IMO

 

[Wsimm]

If Annie and her husband did have something to do with it, she may not have even made it back to her house, it would be easier to keep her at theirs and plant her belongings back at her house (possibly the blood was from an earlier minor injury or they could have also planted the blood to look like an abduction).

I’m thinking NG and her Apple Watch would have had to be together until the 2am disconnect.

 

[Inthedetails]

The ransom-note writer could be a cruel opportunist.

Or, the ransom-notes could be fake, written by the perp to throw the investigation off.

Or, the ransom-note writer be real, written by the perp to get money.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

What are people’s thoughts on the towing of Nancy’s car from the garage? Do they think she actually used the car that night? They took it when they came back in some sort of renewed search, but I’m struggling to put together what that might mean.

To see if the perp had been in the car or whomever else used the car?

 

[priyaya]

I’m thinking NG and her Apple Watch would have had to be together until the 2am disconnect.

not if the watch just checked in at 2am every night
we dont know if it was separated before then and just missed the checkin

 

[mikeshanty]

That scenario happens all the time, cover up as the least damaging to themselves and family, children. IMO

I was just watching the Aileen Wuornos documentary. Her partner was caught up during the crimes and was the one who encouraged Aileen to confess in the end. I think we underestimate how hard it can be for the female partners of those who do the unthinkable. There was also an extremely high profile case in my country where a female partner of a double child killer was done for perverting the course of justice for providing an alibi to police about her partner.

 

[SMK777]

then she better start talking now

She may be.

 

[Starkville]

Authorities did not impound ag's car. They impounded NG's car.

I’m not as confident as you are, but: On February 4th, Sheriff Nanios refused to confirm whether a car was seized. On February 5, Sheriff Nanos refuses to discuss the car taken from “the home”.

NG’s car was taken on Friday February 6th - after that statement by the Sheriff.

MOO but there seem to have been two cars taken by LE for processing. JMO.

Also my opinion that the MSM is not doing any investigative reporting on this story at all. The findings of the independent journalists like AB and Brian Entin and outlets like Fox News are bringing new reporting that’s difficult to discuss here. I totally understand the rule and why we have it (thank you, Tricia), but it’s frustrating. I wonder if they’re hands-off because it’s one of their own.

 

[Inthedetails]

What are people’s thoughts on the towing of Nancy’s car from the garage? Do they think she actually used the car that night? They took it when they came back in some sort of renewed search, but I’m struggling to put together what that might mean.

Tossing the idea out there that NG took an uber because her car, for some reason, was not at home that day. And, later that night it was returned. ??

 

[cady]

Please let me know if I am missing an angle here in my thought process. Let's for argument's sake now say that her ending happened at the home of her daughter and SIL. If it was perhaps over money, say they were taking money from an account of hers, and she found out confronted them, or anything like that, and say the SIL did something, if AG had no part in it, wouldn't she have called 911?

If she was afraid that she would end up being a victim herself, even if she got herself, and if they have a child, etc., out of the house at some point, wouldn't she have contacted the police? And isn't the fact that she did not contact the police if things got out of hand in that house proof that she was part of it?

People have noted that the holding hands with the sister in the latest video is not really holding hands. That body language speaks volumes. I don't know if she is still having to put on a façade pretending that she believes her sister had no part in this to try to get information, or to try to get cooperation to get whoever sent the emails/notes.

Another tidbit that AB reported was that the family was considering suing AB for the leak about SIL. I haven't read anything about that since and don't know if the family includes SG. This is my recollection. JMO

 

[birdbox]

Not necessarily foreign faction but a criminal cell ,

Other thoughts
If Nancy regularly went to AG and SIL home on a Friday could this faction put listening and tracking devices in their home and on their vehicles to see when Nancy arrived and when she left and when BIL arrived home after dropping off . They would want to make sure that BIL didn't return within a few minutes if say Nancy had forgotten something in the car

I personally can't see BIL and AG thinking they could get away with this and even if they never planned on touching the bitcoin and it was only a ruse . 6 million is very tempting to not ever touch especially if your net worth is not in that ball park .

What if you are SIL and you get away with it and in 10 years move back to Italy where you are from and retire on said bitcoin?