AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I stand corrected on where they stayed. Thanks for links. I thought I had read earlier in week they had left. No idea where I read that now. Yikes… that would be impossible for me to stay there if I knew they were looking at SIL.
Just trying to pressure test the theories here- there is a lot of information not making sense.

How could you let them stay there if you think there are things that might need searching! And how could you stay together if you knew LE thought your siblings might have murdered your mom?
 
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If it’s true that an investigator was carrying a map, they must be using investigative tactics from 1995
Sometimes you need to see a large thing and spread it out on a big table and be able to write on it and roll it up and take it with you. When there are digital screens that can do what paper does…
 
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This just occurred to me thinking about the “resentment” angle…there actually might be something to the timing so close to the Olympics.

Something along the lines of…you get to go to Italy and be on television for the Olympics first class, fancy hotels etc etc…and we are stuck here yet again playing mahjong on a weekend night with Mom when we haven’t been to Italy in years…

moo.
So you mean like a mindset of...
 
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If it’s true that an investigator was carrying a map, they must be using investigative tactics from 1995
Not if it's a map they found in the home. Besides, don't think for a second that paper maps aren't still sometimes used to plot grids, mark locations, etc.
 
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If it’s true that an investigator was carrying a map, they must be using investigative tactics from 1995
Likely mine maps. Tucson has a lot of abandoned mines. if you need to dispose of a body quickly and not far away this may be what occurred. Easier with a paper copy to grid off areas and assign search vectors than working off a digital copy. Just my opinion.
 
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Just trying to pressure test the theories here- there is a lot of information not making sense.

How could you let them stay there if you think there are things that might need searching! And how could you stay together if you knew LE thought your siblings might have murdered your mom?
I couldn’t. I’d literally be vomiting every second.
 
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Oh I see! Sorry, that my overly English interpretation where we are too attuned to class-based comments 😄
Yes you arrrre and must of been horrified at first, hahaha.. IMO
 
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Yes you arrrre and must of been horrified at first, hahaha.. IMO
Well yes, it made it sound like he casually dropped in a personal motive right at the end of the interview 😄
 
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So it seems, with limited information. The only thing I've seen is that the 2:18 am interrogation failed, meaning the pacemaker was out of range at that particular moment. When it went out of range is anyone's guess. As for the garage door I can use my app to open/close my garage door from anywhere so that doesn't really prove anyone was on the property when the garage door opened.

I do think the camera going off-line at a particular time to be important. As for the "person" or "movement" detected by a different camera that could be anything really.

My opinion only.

The wording in the timeline from the Sheriff says 'Pacemaker app shows disconnect from phone'

I feel like what you are talking about is something different then what they are saying?



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Thanks for the info.

Question: You have the app on your phone? or watch? or both?

Another Question haha : If you leave your phone somewhere and walk a distance away, does it lose connection and do you get a notification of that on your phone?

I'm wondering if during the investigation they found a 'notification' saying it lost contact.
My app is on my phone. Before that I had a home monitor/receiver in the bedroom. Neither gives me real-time information as far as data or connection status outside of the set interrogation time. If I'm out of range at query time I do get a connection failure notice then.

My experience only.
 
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The winter birds are knocking on my door for their seed and are furioussssssss, some are peeking in the window and understand. We need to move ourselves, 'our'. It's easy to glue ourselves to this thread with such changes seeming to happen, not wanting to miss. IMO
That was so beautifully and elegantly said ❤️ It feels like the first line of a fabulous book..
 
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I usually try never to skip pages on WS but on this case if you didn't it would basically be a full time job!
So right
There aren't many "can't skip a word/page places" we go to
This great site is definitely one of them
 
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really like Brian Entin...when he comes on he has something to say and solid guests. He is working hard out there.
 
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But she had an apple watch, doesn't that give enhanced data about her being alive?

I always thought the relevance of the pacemaker was that it indicated out of range and because the watch and phone are at home that informed the police what time she had been transported away (alive)?
They haven't said anything about what her Apple watch was monitoring, to my knowledge, so I don't know anything about that. They only mentioned the watch in relation to the pacemaker, not anything else it was doing.

My opinion only.
 
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I think the purpose of the church person call - whether it actually happened or was orchestrated - was to give them a reason to be at NG's house. You have a call from a third party causing them to go to NG house.

It's possible that there is a real timeline involving someone or some people being active all night trying to get rid of a body and destroy evidence. Think Patsy Ramsey wearing the same clothes from the day before when police arrived at her house.
I agree. If there was a church call or possible “unknown and unverifiable”church caller it was only to get the ball rolling. IMO
 
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I wonder if the kidnapper did not think that it would become this huge of a story, and now, it has become a far more unmanageable situation than expected.
 

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