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Do we know where TC teaches? I can't find his info on any of the government salaries pages.
Basis Oro Valley. It’s one of the best schools in Arizona, I think even in the entire country. Known for extremely rigorous classes and a lot of homework, and students experiencing burnout/transferring schools if they can’t handle it.
 
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An accidental killing seems very possible.
ex FBI on TV said the blood droplets on the front porch belonged to Nancy who would have been standing upright and not carried.
 
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Isn't it a bit late in the game to do this only now..? Seems they should have done this couple days earlier 🤔
They have already been looking at doorbell cams but may be going back over everything, just to be sure. In this neighborhood, the houses are spread a bit apart and are set back a bit from the street. So, many door cams may not reveal anything going on at the street level, but could reveal people on the property. MO
 
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Wow. Trying to see if they have Ring footage that shows SIL doing anything suspicious I’m sure… surprised they hadn’t done that sooner 😕
i think originally most of the work was done in and around NG home...then it moved out to AG home.
 
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I agree. They would have a septic waste company pump truck do this. I’ve observed my friends septic being pumped. It’s hazardous waste.
I believe it would be a good idea to first use a probe if one was looking for a body. Septic tanks aren't so big that a probe couldn't locate one. If you pumped the tank not knowing a body was there, the suction may destroy any parts that may have decomposed. Those parts would go into the truck's tank and I can't imagine how LE would deal with that. If a body was located with a probe, removing it and then pumping for any additional evidence (ie. a gun, or golf club, baseball bat) I would think would be a safe way to go.
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What money? Why do you think NG Is wealthy? Plus, whatever she has would probably have to be divided 3 ways ....among her children. For all you know she has a mortgage or reverse mortgage. The person with money is SG. This is NOT a familial money grab from the mom. This is about NBC, SG, a stalker, the appearance at the OLYMPICS..something along those lines. IMO
What I’m saying is that interfamilial murders like this are usually financially motivated. If someone in the family killed her, they would get part of the estate — but they would *not* benefit from ransom money, which is why I’m saying (as you are) that it seems like an outsider.
 
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Our vacation/lake house had a septic tank...that's too big an opening for septic. And the tanks are usually close to the house with the field drains going outward, downhill and away.
It was a septic tank--the governing body (city? county? didn't make note) approved septic plan has been recently posted here.

Found it (see if I do this right):
 
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Basis Oro Valley. It’s one of the best schools in Arizona, I think even in the entire country. Known for extremely rigorous classes and a lot of homework, and students experiencing burnout/transferring schools if they can’t handle it.
That sounds tough on the kids tbh :(
 
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Basis Oro Valley. It’s one of the best schools in Arizona, I think even in the entire country. Known for extremely rigorous classes and a lot of homework, and students experiencing burnout/transferring schools if they can’t handle it.

It's consistently ranked among the top schools in the U.S., placing as the #9 charter high school in the nation, #5 in Arizona, and #45 among all U.S. public high schools in the 2025 U.S. News & World Report rankings. It is highly regarded for its rigorous STEM curriculum, high college-preparatory standards, and 100% graduation rate.
 
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Isn't it a bit late in the game to do this only now..? Seems they should have done this couple days earlier 🤔
Oh I don't disagree with that. But there are a variety of reasons they may be doing it now and it ranges from "no one was home when we tried previously" to "oh. Whoops. We maybe should have done that already."
 
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Respectfully, an 84 year old woman who has been said cannot ambulate further than ETA: 50yds with a cane, and who has been said to need daily medication for survival would indeed be considered frail, in the plain sense of the word. She is on blood thinners and has bandages, bruises and wounds in several photos. Have you listened to her speaking in the cactus margarita scene with SG? There is an element of frailty there. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. Many 84 year olds would not be considered frail. I would consider my 93 year old grandmother frail and very comparable in the physical condition of NG.
I agree. My point in bringing up the age/drop off time, etc. is to try and determine what may be atypical. I certainly don't know what's typical for NG - but based on the information shared about her (mobility issues, daily medications to survive - which, in all likelihood need to be taken a certain times which means she probably has some sort of "normal" schedule) it is entirely reasonable to think she may be in bed earlier than someone her age who doesn't have such limitations.

From my own life, my grandfather was completely independent in terms of driving, being out late with my grandmother, etc. (which we loved for him) until his early 90s when he had a fall in the home. He was never the same after - not just physically but also mentally. My grandmother is younger than him but took a very quick turn with mobility as well recently. I think what people without this life experience don't realize is that an elderly person can be fine until they're not. There can be a huge difference between a 70 year old and an 85 year old. Or an 84 year old with mobility issues versus a 90 year old who does not have that. It's not agism or an an attack on autonomy or criticism/judgement of an older person with DIFFERENT circumstances. In our family, the grandparents WANT our help now. Preventing another fall is crucial for them to not have to move to assisted living.

My point in saying it was odd the SIL apparently "dropped her off" that late is that I imagine that a caring family member would have made sure she was settled in, likely earlier, given her limitations. Of course, her circumstances could be completely different and maybe she doesn't need the help. However, this was the NIGHT that she went missing. So analyzing the time, her schedule, the conditions, are RELEVANT. I'm not sure what else we have to go on, in any case, other than what is already being discussed in this forum.
 
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An accidental killing seems very possible.
If a family member was involved, an accidental killing seems quite possible.
 
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I am sorry @academyrd .... I had read your post totally wrong

Early on, there was lots of back and forth about how/why she was missed, so as to alarm someone in the church, because she would zoom in to those services.

I believe most of us were feeling that this was totally credible....
We had Zoom services in my church during Covid, and we, in the Church, could always look at the Zoom screen to see who was "dialing in".

But you seem to be questioning the WHY the family would bother to check in on NG. I believe the following answers that question.

I thought we read that LE had questioned the Church person and determined she made two calls:
1)Nancy's phone and then
2)Family's phone

I have seen a lot of people saying "would you/they pay ransom for the body"

But at that point, though I'm sure yes you would prefer to have the body returned, that isn't really what you're paying for. You're paying for certainty. Not having that, and going through the rest of your life without it, would truly be horrendous - that's the real high value thing here, not the body itself.
Agreed, I think this is why SG said they would pay. I know people hate the word “ closure”.How could there ever be closure after something like this, very traumatizing!

That said, I do believe, the certainty, if they could get the body back, might bring a small measure of peace, and knowing they did all they could. So very sad…

Then, as they seem quite Christian, they could have a proper funeral and body burial.
 
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I don't even know why this keeps coming up. It's been eye-opening in a way to see how many treat the elderly as totally lacking independence and autonomy. Jmo.
Funny cuz I keep reading these comments and thinking: oh I’m the worst, I should be helping my parents more and treating them like the elderly people they are.
 
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I thought about that and my only problem with it is, how do you find someone that quickly that is not just capable of perpetuating the ransom thing, but is willing to break the law and receive serious jail time if they are found out.
Too many people are brazen and greedy. People will walk out of a store with sophisticated surveillance proud as can be without paying for items. If people are openly willing to risk a felony (in some places the threshold dollar amount is pretty low) over electronics or perfume or a cart full of groceries, they’ll do it for a bigger jackpot.

If she runs in circles with certain eccentricities I can imagine it wouldn’t be too hard to find a crypto guy who wants a cut of $6 million and thinks he can get away with it by running the messages through a VPN chain or whatever it is they do to hide tracks.
 
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I have no confidence that the septic tanks or cisterns in the yard can be adequately evaluated by a deputy with a pole. These need to be drained and a camera sent down!!!
Was thinking the same thing. When they announced they were there for an hour and left, I'm thinking sheesh, they'll be back in a few more days for an actual evaluation.
 
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