AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Cipher Vale]

Yah. regarding the pacemaker + devices (phone/watch) apps, this is what I am stuck on regarding alternative to official timing...

There is data that pacemaker last synced with device at 2.28am when it's supposed Ms Guthrie was moved away from home.

So my understanding is the app on device that syncs with pacemaker also sends alarm or saves data if there is a catastrophic event, ie heart stops. If it was syncing with the device, how did app not pick up there was no heart activity

Following my search result: A pacemaker that is properly synced with a smartphone app can detect if the heart stops (cardiac arrest) or experiences other serious arrhythmia events. If a pacemaker detects a serious event, such as a heart stoppage, it typically records this in its memory and, if properly connected via Bluetooth to a smartphone app, transmits this data to a clinic.

So it's proven it synced in the early hours, does this not indicate that Ms Guthrie hadn't passed earlier on Sat night...
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But if she was deceased earlier Saturday night, there would be no pacemaker info to sync, right? Or the info would show she was deceased.

 

[shonyakay]

I respectfully disagree. If there are no suspects or persons of interest, does that not infer that the family have been cleared?

Not necessarily. It just means that there has been no suspects or persons of interest "identified." That could mean not yet "identified" to the public.

 

[CandyKiss]

8 days of Search & Rescue; and the majority of LE now believe the kidnapping was another hoax. What's left? A missing woman, possible foul play involved... much like so many other cases that do not get solved

 

[Cipher Vale]

I respectfully disagree. If there are no suspects or persons of interest, does that not infer that the family have been cleared? LE are not going to announce that the family have been cleared whilst the investigation is ongoing.

Respectfully, this thread has at times resembled Facebookland and has potentially ruined someone’s career. Websleuths has always upheld high standards for posting to separate it from other online groups.

Added to that is the fact the the children of the family could read here and see that their mother/father/aunt/uncle has been accused by the public (who know very little of the case) of murdering their grandmother. If they don’t, then there is a chance that their peers or the parents of their peers read here.

I do not see why the rules of posting are different for this thread. The family are victims and should be treated as such.

Respect.

Moo.

Everyone is a suspect until they are excluded. Just because LE says they don't have a suspect, doe not infer everyone is clear. It would be reasonable to infer that someone has not been excluded if LE is publicly announcing searches and media is showing photos being taken and the removal of items.

 

[TheDinks]

But if she was deceased earlier Saturday night, there would be no pacemaker info to sync, right? Or the info would show she was deceased.

Well I learned the pacemaker continues to function after death so am thinking it (as a tiny machine) still syncs but device oughta have data to say when flatline occurred. I mean, many are programmed to send that data to connected clinic. I don't honestly know enough facts to give more than presumption.

 

[shonyakay]

[...]

Nancy Guthrie was supposed to go to a friend’s house where she and her pals would tune into a church service online on the day she was reported missing, a source close to the family has since claimed. [...]

And, the pal called Annie – Nancy’s other daughter – when the Guthrie matriarch failed to show up.

Nancy Guthrie was supposed to go to pal’s house to watch church service on day she was reported missing: family source

Nancy Guthrie was supposed to go to a friend’s house where she and her pals would tune into a church service online on the day she was reported missing, a source close to the family has since&#8230…

nypost.com

So it was a call. I am very curious as to when Annie received that call.

LE is not sharing it for some reason. LE might have an innocent reason for not sharing it or they are not sharing it because if they did, everyone would suspect the family's involvement. JMO.

 

[su5ie]

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Thank you @tricia to be human is to err and I admire your ability to admit that keep up your fantastic work and for the record I thought the repetitive post was an accident so paid no heed after the original post

 

[Kemug]

What did Nancy work as before she retired , was she still active in a role of administration in any community based programmes

Potential suspects for me would be , church goer or someone related to them , former Co worker , jilted former companion , stalker of SG or one of her siblings or nancy herself ( you don't have to be famous to have a stalker ) someone in the community with a mental illness or bearing a grudge

It's a wide net but to conceal a person tells me it's a person known . A murder that occurred during a burglary wouldn't really warrant a concealing of Nancy as the hassle of moving a body is hefty and wouldn't be in a burglars interests imo and would a person breaking and entering not have a gloves on and or a mask to conceal identify.

I think she will be eventually found within a 5km radius of her home

Don't statistics state that a person known to a victim will generally try to cover up their crime whereby a person with no connection ( beyond 6° ) will generally not conceal

We see in the idaho murders BK did not try conceal the bodies , ok maybe that's a bad example but you get my point .

Is there any chance whatsoever that Nancy had an onset episode of some sort and wandered off herself?

Jmo moo and speculating and me being inquisitive

You make some good points. Firstly, about Nancy having some sort of episode and wandering off in the middle of the night. Quite possible IMO, but surely she would have been found by now? And secondly, if one of the obvious suspects
killed/injured her, either accidentally or on purpose, what would be the point of removing her from her home? Especially as it is now looking less and less likely to be a proper kidnapping. But if it happened in a different home, there was every reason to move her.

 

[Kemug]

Well I learned the pacemaker continues to function after death so am thinking it (as a tiny machine) still syncs but device oughta have data to say when flatline occurred. I mean, many are programmed to send that data to connected clinic. I don't honestly know enough facts to give more than presumption.

All I know about pacemakers is that they are very expensive, but you can always get a secondhand one.

 

[Cassie P]

8 days of Search & Rescue; and the majority of LE now believe the kidnapping was another hoax. What's left? A missing woman, possible foul play involved... much like so many other cases that do not get solved

Does LE believe the kidnapping/ransom was a hoax by the perpetrator to cover up the crime and confuse LE and the public? Or was it someone not connected to the original crime who thought they would get a payday and attention off of a tragedy?

 

[Cassie P]

Well I learned the pacemaker continues to function after death so am thinking it (as a tiny machine) still syncs but device oughta have data to say when flatline occurred. I mean, many are programmed to send that data to connected clinic. I don't honestly know enough facts to give more than presumption.

Yes this is my understanding. A pacemaker is a little machine that keeps functioning whether the heart is still working or not.

 

[shonyakay]

DBM because I asked a stupid question.

 

[shonyakay]

All I know about pacemakers is that they are very expensive, but you can always get a secondhand one.

Wait... what?

 

[Cipher Vale]

I appreciate the differing angles posted here. I have not been shy about my own theory. However, some of you are planting some seeds in my mind that I want to water:

(I'm mostly using other's ideas and adding my own color)

Random-ish crime: Could still be someone close, like someone who works around/at the house. The destruction of cameras is not some sophicated act by someone with intimate knowledge of NG lack of cloud services, but someone seeing a camera and destroying it. Entry made, something happens, NG is deceased shortly after.

My questions are:
1) LE has never said the crime scene was "disturbing" or that they suspect she is deceased based on the crime scene. The family seems to believe she was/is alive and the FBI/LE have been entertaining the ransom situation. Is there any reason to believe NG was deceased vs kidnapped?

2) a robbery gone wrong, involving a random(ish) person rarely involves complete removal of the body. The perps simply don't plan to transport and dispose of a body. Clearly NG was removed. What are theories behind removing NG after a botched robbery?

3) Lack of suspect evidence in the house. How did a random-ish person(s) keep sterile during a robbery gone wrong? My opinion has been that the lack of foreign DNA is because the perp is someone expected to be in the house. So how did a random person avoid any DNA evidence?
**you would expect worker DNA in some parts of the house, but not in a bedroom for example

 

[TheDinks]

Does LE believe the kidnapping/ransom was a hoax by the perpetrator to cover up the crime and confuse LE and the public? Or was it someone not connected to the original crime who thought they would get a payday and attention off of a tragedy?

We don't know what they believe... we just know that the 2 options you pose have been the top theories among commentators on the situation.

 

[fr0stbyte]

I'm most concerned with the fact she hasn't had her hearing aid all week. Can she even hear anything?

 

[Kemug]

Wait... what?

Well, a perfectly good and expensive pacemaker isn't going to be buried with its owner.

 

[su5ie]

Wait a minute. Is her pacemaker synched to an app on her watch or an app on her phone?

Was that specified?

It's been mentioned in this thread by people who have them fitted that a pacemaker connects to an app once a day usually during the night for sync of data . It does not sync 24/ 7 continuously.


Once a certain distance is over stepped between pacemaker and phone or watch it will give a reading of unable to sync .

It does not mean the person is dead just that they are out of range for a reading .

That was my understanding of it anyways . Open to correction

 

[shonyakay]

Does LE believe the kidnapping/ransom was a hoax by the perpetrator to cover up the crime and confuse LE and the public? Or was it someone not connected to the original crime who thought they would get a payday and attention off of a tragedy?

I am not sure because of Harvey Levin's description that in the note it mentioned where Nancy's watch was and it was not in a place that you would think.

Sidenote: Harvey didn't say where the note said the watch was.

 

[Cipher Vale]

Great points.

Ah, And the garage opening for a measly 2 minutes. Maybe they were putting the Apple watch in her vehicle. Then went in another door .
Now I'm just reaching. For some reason the sheriff didn't want to tell us if there was forced entry, I've heard there was, then he stated "I never said there was forced entry or there wasn't. I can see why they would keep that from the public, rightfully so.

Two minutes is quite a long time. I tested it. You can park your car and walk in the house in less than 2 minutes. You can enter slowly thru the garage and leave thru the front door in 2 minutes.

Did anyone see a ramp in the garage? As if she enters the garage because there is a ramp to assist getting in the house vs the front door. Scenario being that someone drops her off at the drive way, garage door opened, she slowly walks thru garage, up ramp, in house, and then closes the garage?